So is it him? Maybe. Maybe not. But really - since when has it mattered?
He isn't as fat as the last Osama who claimed he brought down the towers, but the nose and cheekbones still look broader than that of the bin Laden we saw in 2001, seen below. And in Friday's tape, I didn't see the long, narrow face symptomatic of Marfan's Syndrome, with which bin Laden reputedly suffers.
Whomever it was, Walter Cronkite saw something fishy. From a Larry King interview last evening:
CRONKITE: So now the question is basically, right now, how will this affect the election? And I have a feeling that it could tilt the election a bit. In fact, I'm a little inclined to think that Karl Rove, the political manager at the White House, who is a very clever man, he probably set up bin Laden to this thing. The advantage to the Republican side is to get rid of, as a principal subject of the campaigns right now, get rid of the whole problem of the al Qaqaa explosive dump.
Now I must say, I'm not the conspiracy theorist Walter Cronkite turns out to be. The only thing Rovian I'm seeing is the dizzifyin' spin, which makes the Lewis Carroll-like argument that a healthy and trim bin Laden at large three years after 9/11 means George Bush is the best choice on national security. Rove would have put other words his mouth - maybe call John Kerry "a man I could do business with" - and blunted the zingers. ("If we hate freedom, why didn't we attack Sweden?" would never have made the second draft.)
If this is a hoax tape, I don't expect it's psyops from the Bush Crime Family. It would more likely be a "fuck you very much" from the CIA, or rather the faction therein that means to turn the knife as payback for the White House's imprudent alienation of the agency. ("Say it was our fault, will ya? Well let's see how you like Osama 2.0 raggin' you about the goat story!")
Assuming for a moment it is Osama, could he be found by tracking Amazon's shipments of Fahrenheit 911 DVDs to North Waziristan? Because whomever it was, this is his most important remark:
We had agreed with the general emir Mohammed Atta, God bless his soul, to carry out all operations within 20 minutes before Bush and his administration noticed. It never occurred to us that the commander in chief of the American armed forces will leave 50,000 of his citizens in the two towers to face these horrors alone.
It appeared to him that a little girl's talk about her goat and its butting was more important than the planes and their butting of the skyscrapers. That gave us three times the required time to carry out the operations, thank God.
His astonishment at the lack of response, and gratitude for it, is noted.
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jeff, i would appreciate your comments on this:
OBL says Atta was given twenty minutes to do the attack. that is exactly how long it took, the second plane struck twenty minutes (approx) after the first. is OBL saying the pentagon and PA planes were not part of the original plan?
furthermore, the reference to the CIC letting (leave)50,000 civilians in the towers ..., is he saying * LIHOP ? did he expect the planes to be shot down before they struck the towers ?
bin'dare
Assuming for a moment that the official story of bin Laden's career is true, it is interesting that he said he began to formulate 9/11 after Israel invaded Lebanon in 1982. This contradicts the official story wherein OBL broke with his family, the Saudi Royals, and the West in the early 1990's. In 1982 he was unquestionably still a CIA asset. That's always been the essence of the "blowback" theory, that he became a "black sheep" only later on.
Not sure what that means, since the OBL on the screen could be a liar, a body double or a digital projection, for all I know. Just an observation.
Oh this was Osama. It was Osama in the Dec 2001 tape too-- if you actually watch the whole thing it is clearly him (don't trust WRH-- they are disinfo). In the Dec. 2001 tape, they DID translate him badly so it sounded like Osama was taking more credit for the attack than what he really said.
Like Cronkite I think it is quite likely this tape was set up by Rove. Obviously they can't get Osama to say whatever they want though.
I have more thoughts on Osama and the tape here.
re: "is he saying * LIHOP ? did he expect the planes to be shot down before they struck the towers ?"
That was my first reading of his words. This one and "Fat Osama" both express amazement at the wild success of the operation, which they attribute to a miracle, singling out now the inattention of Bush and of US defenses.
I've long thought that if we assume a decision had been taken to let it happen, then we should expect that measures were be taken to ensure it happened precisely as desired, and spectacularly so. With so much at stake, nothing would be left to the skill and luck of the 19 hijackers. Flight 77's 270 degree turn to hit the ground floor of the virtually unoccupied side of the Pentagon, while supposedly piloted by the grossly incompetent Hani Hanjour, is the most striking example. The recent report that the WTC black boxes were recovered after all, is suggestive of the same: that the data conflicted somehow with the received fiction. Perhaps the hijackers were themselves hijacked.
In my opinion, the "fat Osama" was really Osama. He looks fat in the still from the video because the video was low quality. I think Rivero was trying to be intentionally misleading in that montage he put together. I actually believed Rivero at first, then I down-loaded the movie. My heart skipped a beat when I saw a man who was clearly Osama enter the house, and I knew I'd been had. If you watch the whole video, the guy is pretty clearly Osama. Rivero has also been very misleading in other ways, and the main purpose of his site seems to be to paint Israelis as evil agents intent on taking over the middle east. So I am very skeptical of anything put out by Rivero at this point.
In any case, the idea that Osama is supporting the LIHOP theory is really interesting. Osama also made some comment in this recent video about Bush not telling Americans the truth about 9/11 and being misleading about what happened. I have to wonder if he is referring to the role of the Bush administration in letting the attacks happen.
My thought last night was that the Osama video was more of a blow to the 9/11 truth movement than anything else, since Osama is admitting to the attacks and talks about details of the operation in a way he hadn't before. I had this idea that the CIA put Osama out there to take credit for 9/11 in order to try to squelch the 9/11 truth movement that was just taking off.
Certainly, if nothing else, this Osama video is going to reinforce for most people the idea that bin Laden was behind 9/11 which will detract from their acceptance of alernative theories.
jeff you wrote "If this is a hoax tape, I don't expect it is psyops from the Bush Crime Family." Indeed, maybe even the opposite.
What strikes me about the transcript is the central role played by Papa Bush:
"This resemblance began after the visits of Bush Senior to the region ..... All of a sudden he was affected by these monarchies and military regimes and became jealous of their remaining decades in their position to embezzle the public wealth of the Nation without supervision or accounting."
"So he took dictatorship and suppression of freedoms to his son ..."
"In addition, Bush sanctioned the installing of sons as state governors and did not forget to import expertise in election fraud from the regions presidents to Florida to be made use of in moments of difficulty."
When did we last get an analysis of Papa Bush like this? F911 mentions the Saudi connection but not "embezzle the public wealth". This Bin Laden (whoever he is) is busy surfing sites like Rigorous Intuition! Americans are not aware of the Bush crime family so why would this OBL mention it?
I can't help but think this is one intelligence group talking/warning to another intelligence group, e.g. CIA/pakistan vs CIA/usa, or ... This is a warning shot across the bow to not mess with the elections. If only this were true.
bin'dare
Iraq, Afghanistan and all the other spots around the globe inflamed to secure the world's natural resources for the elite, are perhaps part and parcel of 9/11. Osama's tape, apparently with the same stamp as Azzam a.k.a. Adam, the Moslem convert from America, seems like another one of the myriad of coincidences we are just to ignore. He has a Jewish name which smacks of the Mossad/CIA tie-in.(No ill intent to the average, honest Jewish/Israli person -- anti-neocon is not anti average, honest Christians.) Even the chaos in Iraq smacks of the same tie-in, don't you think -- when you think? (See opening the explosive dumps and walking away, not guarding the nuclear facilities, the prison scandal, etc.,etc.,etc. Maybe now a faction regrets following the neo-cons, let's pray that is correct) I dearly love "old America" but I am saddened by what "new America" is/has become. When articles come from the corporate media, I think GE, who brings good things to life -- and death, Rupert Murdock, and the other elites who now own the media and create reality for us.
is it just me or does the opening reference to:
"... the ideal way to prevent another Manhattan ..."
have veiled connotations of the Manhattan Project ?
--- bin'dare
Why not link UBL to Michael Moore? If UBL says it's so, it must be a lie, right? If UBL and Michael Moore say it, it must be a lefty, terrorist lie.
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