Sunday, August 15, 2004

The Coincidence Theorist's Guide to 9/11

I posted an earlier version of this last week at Democratic Underground. I've added a number of more entries, and links for all.

Happy coincidenting!

That governments have permitted terrorist acts against their own people, and have even themselves been perpetrators in order to find strategic advantage is quite likely true, but this is the United States we're talking about.

That intelligence agencies, financiers, terrorists and narco-criminals have a long history together is well established, but the Nugan Hand Bank, BCCI, Banco Ambrosiano, the P2 Lodge, the CIA/Mafia anti-Castro/Kennedy alliance, Iran/Contra and the rest were a long time ago, so there’s no need to rehash all that. That was then, this is now!

That Jonathan Bush’s Riggs Bank has been found guilty of laundering terrorist funds and fined a US-record $25 million must embarrass his nephew George, but it's still no justification for leaping to paranoid conclusions.

That George Bush's brother Marvin sat on the board of the Kuwaiti-owned company which provided electronic security to the World Trade Centre, Dulles Airport and United Airlines means nothing more than you must admit those Bush boys have done alright for themselves.

That George Bush found success as a businessman only after the investment of Osama’s brother Salem and reputed al Qaeda financier Khalid bin Mahfouz is just one of those things - one of those crazy things.

That Osama bin Laden is known to have been an asset of US foreign policy in no way implies he still is.

That al Qaeda was active in the Balkan conflict, fighting on the same side as the US as recently as 1999, while the US protected its cells, is merely one of history's little aberrations.

The claims of Michael Springman, State Department veteran of the Jeddah visa bureau, that the CIA ran the office and issued visas to al Qaeda members so they could receive training in the United States, sound like the sour grapes of someone who was fired for making such wild accusations.

That one of George Bush's first acts as President, in January 2001, was to end the two-year deployment of attack submarines which were positioned within striking distance of al Qaeda's Afghanistan camps, even as the group's guilt for the Cole bombing was established, proves that a transition from one administration to the next is never an easy task.

That so many influential figures in and close to the Bush White House had expressed, just a year before the attacks, the need for a "new Pearl Harbor" before their militarist ambitions could be fulfilled, demonstrates nothing more than the accidental virtue of being in the right place at the right time.

That the company PTECH, founded by a Saudi financier placed on America’s Terrorist Watch List in October 2001, had access to the FAA’s entire computer system for two years before the 9/11 attack, means he must not have been such a threat after all.

That whistleblower Indira Singh was told to keep her mouth shut and forget what she learned when she took her concerns about PTECH to her employers and federal authorities, suggests she lacked the big picture. And that the Chief Auditor for JP Morgan Chase told Singh repeatedly, as she answered questions about who supplied her with what information, that "that person should be killed," suggests he should take an anger management seminar.

That on May 8, 2001, Dick Cheney took upon himself the job of co-ordinating a response to domestic terror attacks even as he was crafting the administration’s energy policy which bore implications for America's military, circumventing the established infrastructure and ignoring the recommendations of the Hart-Rudman report, merely shows the VP to be someone who finds it hard to delegate.

That the standing order which covered the shooting down of hijacked aircraft was altered on June 1, 2001, taking discretion away from field commanders and placing it solely in the hands of the Secretary of Defense, is simply poor planning and unfortunate timing. Fortunately the error has been corrected, as the order was rescinded shortly after 9/11.

That in the weeks before 9/11, FBI agent Colleen Rowley found her investigation of Zacarias Moussaoui so perversely thwarted that her colleagues joked that bin Laden had a mole at the FBI, proves the stress-relieving virtue of humour in the workplace.

That Dave Frasca of the FBI’s Radical Fundamentalist Unit received a promotion after quashing multiple, urgent requests for investigations into al Qaeda assets training at flight schools in the summer of 2001 does appear on the surface odd, but undoubtedly there's a good reason for it, quite possibly classified.

That FBI informant Randy Glass, working an undercover sting, was told by Pakistani intelligence operatives that the World Trade Center towers were coming down, and that his repeated warnings which continued until weeks before the attacks, including the mention of planes used as weapons, were ignored by federal authorities, is simply one of the many "What Ifs" of that tragic day.

That over the summer of 2001 Washington received many urgent, senior-level warnings from foreign intelligence agencies and governments - including those of Germany, France, Great Britain, Russia, Egypt, Israel, Morocco, Afghanistan and others - of impending terror attacks using hijacked aircraft and did nothing, demonstrates the pressing need for a new Intelligence Czar.

That John Ashcroft stopped flying commercial aircraft in July 2001 on account of security considerations had nothing to do with warnings regarding September 11, because he said so to the 9/11 Commission.

That former lead counsel for the House David Schippers says he’d taken to John Ashcroft’s office specific warnings he’d learned from FBI agents in New York of an impending attack – even naming the proposed dates, names of the hijackers and the targets – and that the investigations had been stymied and the agents threatened, proves nothing but David Schipper’s pathetic need for attention.

That Garth Nicolson received two warnings from contacts in the intelligence community and one from a North African head of state, which included specific site, date and source of the attacks, and passed the information to the Defense Department and the National Security Council to evidently no effect, clearly amounts to nothing, since virtually nobody has ever heard of him.

That in the months prior to September 11, self-described US intelligence operative Delmart Vreeland sought, from a Toronto jail cell, to get US and Canadian authorities to heed his warning of his accidental discovery of impending catastrophic attacks is worthless, since Vreeland was a dubious character, notwithstanding the fact that many of his claims have since been proven true.

That FBI Special Investigator Robert Wright claims that agents assigned to intelligence operations actually protect terrorists from investigation and prosecution, that the FBI shut down his probe into terrorist training camps, and that he was removed from a money-laundering case that had a direct link to terrorism, sounds like yet more sour grapes from a disgruntled employee.

That George Bush had plans to invade Afghanistan on his desk before 9/11 demonstrates only the value of being prepared.

The suggestion that securing a pipeline across Afghanistan figured into the White House’s calculations is as ludicrous as the assertion that oil played a part in determining war in Iraq.

That Afghanistan is once again the world’s principal heroin producer is an unfortunate reality, but to claim the CIA is still actively involved in the narcotics trade is to presume bad faith on the part of the agency.

Mahmood Ahmed, chief of Pakistan’s ISI, must not have authorized an al Qaeda payment of $100,000 to Mohammed Atta days before the attacks, and was not meeting with senior Washington officials over the week of 9/11, because I didn’t read anything about him in the official report.

That Porter Goss met with Ahmed the morning of September 11 in his capacity as Chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence has no bearing whatsoever upon his recent selection by the White House to head the Central Intelligence Agency.

That Goss's congressional seat encompasses the 9/11 hijackers' Florida base of operation, including their flight schools, is precisely the kind of meaningless factoid a conspiracy theorist would bring up.

It's true that George HW Bush and Dick Cheney spent the evening of September 10 alone in the Oval Office, but what's wrong with old colleagues catching up? And it's true that George HW Bush and Shafig bin Laden, Osama's brother, spent the morning of September 11 together at a board meeting of the Carlyle Group, but the bin Ladens are a big family.

That FEMA arrived in New York on Sept 10 to prepare for a scheduled biowarfare drill, and had a triage centre ready to go that was larger and better equipped than the one that was lost in the collapse of WTC 7, was a lucky twist of fate.

Newsweek’s report that senior Pentagon officials cancelled flights on Sept 10 for the following day on account of security concerns is only newsworthy because of what happened the following morning.

That George Bush's telephone logs for September 11 do not exist should surprise no one, given the confusion of the day.

That Mohamed Atta attended the International Officer's School at Maxwell Air Force Base, that Abdulaziz Alomari attended Brooks Air Force Base Aerospace Medical School, that Saeed Alghamdi attended the Defense Language Institute in Monterey merely shows it is a small world, after all.

That Lt Col Steve Butler, Vice Chancellor for student affairs of the Defense Language Institute during Alghamdi's terms, was disciplined, removed from his post and threatened with court martial when he wrote "Bush knew of the impending attacks on America. He did nothing to warn the American people because he needed this war on terrorism. What is...contemptible is the President of the United States not telling the American people what he knows for political gain," is the least that should have happened for such disrespect shown his Commander in Chief.

That Mohammed Atta dressed like a Mafioso, had a stripper girlfriend, smuggled drugs, was already a licensed pilot when he entered the US, enjoyed pork chops, drank to excess and did cocaine, was closer to Europeans than Arabs in Florida, and included the names of defence contractors on his email list, proves how dangerous the radical fundamentalist Muslim can be.

That 43 lbs of heroin was found on board the Lear Jet owned by Wally Hilliard, the owner of Atta’s flight school, just three weeks after Atta enrolled – the biggest seizure ever in Central Florida – was just bad luck. That Hilliard was not charged shows how specious the claims for conspiracy truly are.

That Hilliard’s plane had made 30-round trips to Venezuela with the same passengers who always paid cash, that the plane had been supplied by a pair of drug smugglers who had also outfitted CIA drug runner Barry Seal, and that 9/11 commissioner Richard ben-Veniste had been Seal’s attorney before Seal’s murder, shows nothing but the lengths to which conspiracists will go to draw sinister conclusions.

Reports of insider trading on 9/11 are false, because the SEC investigated and found only respectable investors who will remain nameless involved, and no terrorists, so the windfall profit-taking was merely, as ever, coincidental.

That heightened security for the World Trade Centre was lifted immediately prior to the attacks illustrates that it always happens when you least expect it.

That Hani Hanjour, the pilot of Flight 77, was so incompetent he could not fly a Cessna in August, but in September managed to fly a 767 at excessive speed into a spiraling, 270-degree descent and a level impact of the first floor of the Pentagon, on the only side that was virtually empty and had been hardened to withstand a terrorist attack, merely demonstrates that people can do almost anything once they set their minds to it.

That none of the flight data recorders were said to be recoverable even though they were located in the tail sections, and that until 9/11, no solid-state recorder in a catastrophic crash had been unrecoverable, shows how there's a first time for everything.

That Mohammed Atta left a uniform, a will, a Koran, his driver's license and a "how to fly planes" video in his rental car at the airport means he had other things on his mind.

The mention of Israelis with links to military-intelligence having been arrested on Sept 11 videotaping and celebrating the attacks, of an Israeli espionage ring surveiling DEA and defense installations and trailing the hijackers, and of a warning of impending attacks delivered to the Israeli company Odigo two hours before the first plane hit, does not deserve a response. That the stories also appeared in publications such as Ha'aretz and Forward is a sad display of self-hatred among certain elements of the Israeli media.

That multiple military wargames and simulations were underway the morning of 9/11 – one simulating the crash of a plane into a building; another, a live-fly simulation of multiple hijackings – and took many interceptors away from the eastern seaboard and confused field commanders as to which was a real hijacked aircraft and which was a hoax, was a bizarre coincidence, but no less a coincidence.

That the National Military Command Center ops director asked a rookie substitute to stand his watch at 8:30 am on Sept. 11 is nothing more than bad timing.

That a recording made Sept 11 of air traffic controllers’ describing what they had witnessed, was destroyed by an FAA official who crushed it in his hand, cut the tape into little pieces and dropped them in different trash cans around the building, is something no doubt that overzealous official wishes he could undo.

That the FBI knew precisely which Florida flight schools to descend upon hours after the attacks should make every American feel safer knowing their federal agents are on the ball.

That a former flight school executive believes the hijackers were "double agents," and says about Atta and associates, "Early on I gleaned that these guys had government protection. They were let into this country for a specific purpose," and was visited by the FBI just four hours after the attacks to intimidate him into silence, proves he's an unreliable witness, for the simple reason there is no conspiracy.

That Jeb Bush was on board an aircraft that removed flight school records to Washington in the middle of the night on Sept 12th demonstrates how seriously the governor takes the issue of national security.

To insinuate evil motive from the mercy flights of bin Laden family members and Saudi royals after 9/11 shows the sickness of the conspiratorial mindset.

Le Figaro’s report in October 2001, known to have originated with French intelligence, that the CIA met Osama bin Laden in a Dubai hospital in July 2001, proves again the perfidy of the French.

That the tape in which bin Laden claims responsibility for the attacks was released by the State Department after having been found providentially by US forces in Afghanistan, and depicts a fattened Osama with a broader face and a flatter nose, proves Osama, and Osama alone, masterminded 9/11.

That at the battle of Tora Bora, where bin Laden was surrounded on three sides, Special Forces received no order to advance and capture him and were forced to stand and watch as two Russian-made helicopters flew into the area where bin Laden was believed hiding, loaded up passengers and returned to Pakistan, demonstrates how confusing the modern battlefield can be.

That upon returning to Fort Bragg from Tora Bora, the same Special Operations troops who had been stood down from capturing bin Laden, suffered a unusual spree of murder/suicides, is nothing more than a series of senseless tragedies.

Reports that bin Laden is currently receiving periodic dialysis treatment in a Pakistani medical hospital are simply too incredible to be true.

That the White House went on Cipro September 11 shows the foresightedness of America’s emergency response.

That the anthrax was mailed to perceived liberal media and the Democratic leadership demonstrates only the perversity of the terrorist psyche.

That the anthrax attacks appeared to silence opponents of the Patriot Act shows only that appearances can be deceiving.

That the Ames-strain anthrax was found to have originated at Fort Detrick, and was beyond the capability of all but a few labs to refine, underscores the importance of allowing the investigation to continue without the distraction of absurd conspiracy theories.

That Republican guru Grover Norquist has been found to have aided financiers and supporters of Islamic terror to gain access to the Bush White House, and is a founder of the Islamic Institute, which the Treasury Department believes to be a source of funding for al Qaeda, suggests Norquist is at worst, naive, and at best, needs a wider circle of friends.

That the Department of Justice consistently chooses to see accused 9/11 plotters go free rather than permit the courtroom testimony of al Qaeda leaders in American custody looks bad, but only because we don't have all the facts.

That the White House balked at any inquiry into the events of 9/11, then starved it of funds and stonewalled it, was unfortunate, but since the commission didn't find for conspiracy it's all a non issue anyway.

That the 9/11 commission's executive director and "gatekeeper," Philip Zelikow, was so closely involved in the events under investigation that he testified before the the commission as part of the inquiry, shows only an apparent conflict of interest.

That commission chair Thomas Kean is, like George Bush, a Texas oil executive who had business dealings with reputed al Qaeda financier Khalid bin Mafouz, suggests Texas is smaller than they say it is.

That co-chair Lee Hamilton has a history as a Bush family "fixer," including clearing Bush Sr of the claims arising from the 1980 "October Surprise", is of no concern, since only conspiracists believe there was such a thing as an October Surprise.

That FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds accuses the agency of intentionally fudging specific pre-9/11 warnings and harboring a foreign espionage ring in its translation department, and claims she witnessed evidence of the semi-official infrastructure of money-laundering and narcotics trade behind the attacks, is of no account, since John Ashcroft has gagged her with the rare invocation of "State Secrets Privilege," and retroactively classified her public testimony. For the sake of national security, let us speak no more of her.

That, when commenting on Edmond's case, Daniel Ellsberg remarked that Ashcroft could go to prison for his part in a cover-up, suggests Ellsberg is giving comfort to the terrorists, and could, if he doesn't wise up, find himself declared an enemy combatant.

I could go on. And on and on. But I trust you get the point. Which is simply this: there are no secrets, an American government would never accept civilian casualties for geostrategic gain, and conspiracies are for the weak-minded and gullible.

253 Comments:

Blogger Kim said...

Nice job!

11:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello! Old and In the Way Here....I want to tell you that this is a fantastic compilation and I'll do my damndest to get this read far and wide.

This is a very powerful indictment on all of the dots we've been reading on the DU over the past 3 years....it makes the 9/11 Commission's "findings" a real travesty of justice.

11:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yo, MinstrelBoy! I'm definitely one of your fans. I, too, will be circulating this information. GREAT STUFF. Thanks for all the hard work putting it together.
Beam_Me_Up

2:32 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks Minstralboy very well done,the tragic, bitter truth is best swollowed with sugary humour.

3:18 AM  
Blogger TeresaInPa said...

Brilliant and thank you. It all makes my head spin, but I am happys someone has what it takes to put this all together and keep talking about it.

6:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

May the clouds of the Blessed One's spiritual powers,
His unrivalled knowledge and boundless compassion,
Pour down upon your house like a monsoon rain,
Nurturing the roots of your wholesome qualities.

May the Dhamma as doctrine, path, and fruition,
As Nibbana the Deathless, the state beyond sorrow,
Infuse your home with the glory of truth
And make it an oasis for thirsty seekers.

May the wavelike blessings of the Sangha-jewel,
From Sariputta and Moggala to the present-day Order,
Dispel all threats from the forces of darkness
And envelop your home with the aura of purity.

May the three discourses of protective might--
The Metta, Ratana, and Mangala Suttas--
Resound like a chorus of celestial angels,
Bringing you success in all you undertake.

May the Dhamma-protectors in all ten directions,
The gods in the heavens and the nagas of the earth,
Ward off all dangers, misfortunes, and hazards,
And ensure you live happily in your new abode.

May you dwell at home like monks in the forest,
Delighting in meditation, devoted to good works.
May your home shine brightly like a heavenly palace,
A beacon of Dhamma giving solace to all beings.

seems

9:49 AM  
Blogger BykerSink said...

Quite the most brilliant piece of blog work I have read. Brilliant stuff.

11:56 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Who are you gonna believe? Me or your lyin' eyes" --Richard Pryor

12:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here is another one for you, and its a big one !!!!
http://www.unabombers.com/
20 years of very public lying while the government randomly murders its citizens to support anti terrorist budgets !!!

1:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nice Work here -- I'll help to spread it around. ---- Jolly Roger

1:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jesus F***ing Christ!! This nation is doomed without a revolution.

1:07 PM  
Blogger Fintan Dunne said...

Strike two! This is even better than your "Mohammed Atta
Loved Pork Chops" article. Please get in touch. We already interviewed Sibel Edmonds, Dan Ellsberg and Daniel Hopsicker on these issues. Would love to do an interview with you. Regards Fintan (at) BreakForNews.com

2:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is a great compilation. If only the people who need to read this WOULD read this, then I would be at least somewhat comforted. Unfortunately, this kind of thing will never go anywhere I fear.

I think we DO need some sort of revolution.

p.s. some of the links don't work. I'm already convinced, but if you want to get others to believe, the links should be fixed.

---Alex

2:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tremendous work! Thanks for your efforts.

3:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

your "new Pearl Harbor" link is no good

4:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nice compendium of reasons to doubt the official story. I always find your posts to DU thought-provoking. Glad to see you adding your voice to blogsphere.

One note the link you have for the Riggs Bank is 404. I suggest that you replace it with this entry:

http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Riggs_Bank_N.A.

Cheers, Al

4:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I feel much better now that this site has dispelled all those crazy conspiracy theories! I was actually starting to wonder if Bush was complicit in the attacks but now I can vote for Bush with a clear conscience! After all, either you're for Bush/Cheny, or you're a terrorist who hates America!

4:30 PM  
Blogger john b said...

This is excellent, disturbing and scary - particularly the bits that link to credible news sources (only about half of them, but that's more than enough).

I've got some more thoughts here, in the event that anyone wants to read them.

5:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In response to
Sunday, August 15, 2004


The Coincidence Theorist's Guide to 9/11
This was left out: http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=1927
The Mastermind Behind 911?

Stephen St. John – APFN June 10, 2004
Updated with new link at foot of page
With regard to Blueridge's reference to remote control of 9/11 flights, please check out System Planning Corporation of Alexandria, Virginia. www.sysplan.com

System Planning Corporation designs, manufactures and distributes highly sophisticated technology that enables an operator to fly by remote control as many as eight different airborne vehicles at the same time from one position either on the ground or airborne. For those looking for an extraordinarily interesting hobby, please see photos and specs of this hardware (about the size of a small refrigerator)at www.sysplan.com/Radar/CTS Just be sure your mom doesn't catch you causing havoc with the airlines.

Also, System Planning Corporation markets the technology to take over the controls of an airborne vehicle already in flight. For example, the Flight Termination System technology could hijack hijackers and bring the plane down safely. The Flight Termination System can be used in conjunction with the CTS technology that can control up to 8 airborne vehicles simultaneously. see www.sysplan.com/Radar/FTS Unfortunately, these systems as of yet are not able to prevent lyrics such as "When you get caught between the moon and New York City"!

The possibility of nefarious use of these brilliant technologies developed and deployed by Systems Planning Corporation certainly deserves careful consideration in any full and impartial investigation of what actually took place on 9/11.

In the context of 9/11 it also needs to be pointed out that Rabbi Dov Zakheim was Chief Executive Officer of System Planning Corporation's International Division until President George W. Bush appointed him Undersecretary of Defense and Comptroller of the Pentagon. Not long before Rabbi Zakheim rose to power over the Pentagon's labyrinthine, bottomless accounts, he co-authored an article entitled "Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources for a New Century" which was published by The Project for a New American Century in September 2000, exactly a year before 9/11; in this article, on page 51, it is stated that "the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor"!

Voila! 9/11!

...snip. Check out the page.
Thanks, DreamWeaver
http://www.unknownnews.net/040730c-dreamweaver.html

Wealthy imagination topples destructive government

5:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You seem to have omitted the meaningless factoids about how all the WTC buildings that collapsed, WTC1, WTC2 (the 'Twin Towers') and WTC7 (a) looked just like they were demolished by explosives experts and (b) were all controlled by Larry Silverstein, president of the Israeli Export Development Corporation, who inserted the clause into the lease on the Twin Towers, which he acquired only 8 weeks before 9/11, giving himself to right to rebuild on the spot if they ever fell down.

6:36 PM  
Blogger Ringwind said...

9/11 and October Surprise scandal. Google and type in "Operation Ringwind"

7:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Funny list. Too bad a few chunks of it have been disproved in other news sources or so called conspiracy sites.

Wasn't Julia Roberts in this movie?

7:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This page is a classic presentation of the problems with the official 9-11 story. I hope it's archived permanently at this location because I am sure to come back again and again!

8:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for this. With your permission (actually, without your express refusal ;>) I'll link to this from my site.

Chilling reading.

If anyone has any good rebuttals of the sources, I'll link to those as well, and I think it would be a good idea for this site to do the same - there's nothing wrong with the truth. So far I've not seen any of this knocked back.

8:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you for taking the time to compile all this information. I've forwarded the text as well as the link to everyone I know. I hope they do the same, and I hope everyone that has stopped here so far will do so as well.

Revolutions have to start somewhere!

8:48 PM  
Blogger BillyThrilly7 said...

I don't understood what it all adds up to. What's the moral of the story in one short paragraph? No matter what the facts are you must believe that there was a final goal in mind. This massive conspiracy is for WHAT? Bush to take over the world? Put money in pockets? So he planned or knew about 9/11? I don't get it. See that's why the article is meaningless to me.

Because if the moral of the story is that Bush knew about 9/11 for some type of world domination goal, it's just not true. So all of that info is meaningless to me. There was no conspiracy and say what you want about Bush. Stupid, incompetent, greedy, but he's not a mass murderer so he can "take over the world" or put a few million more dollars in his friends or his family's pockets. You have to believe that thesis for any of the info in that article to matter. The thesis is false.

Sorry.

George Bush did not know about 9/11 and he isn't trying to take over the world. So the article is meaningless to me.

For someone who believes that he did, all of those points just reinforce your belief. I bet the majority of the people who read that article don't take the time out to research the other side or the true meaning and see if it adds up to anything. For example..


Quote:
That heightened security for the World Trade Centre was lifted immediately prior to the attacks illustrates that it always happens when you least expect it.



That entry led had a link that led to a Newsday article that talked about how the World Trade Center had a TWO WEEK hightened security alert because they recieved phone threats and then it was lifted on Thursday, five days before the attack. So what? Buildings have bomb threats and hightened security alerts all the time. They sent the bomb sniffing dogs home after two weeks of not sniffing bombs. This is a meaningless yet upon reading it, it'll make you go "wow!" type entry. A perfect example of what I'm talking about....but

...regardless of which entries in that article are meaningless and which ones are actually bery bery interesting, the thesis doesn't work...I leave you with...

Occham's razor: The simplest solution is more likely when all other things are equal.

Did a MASSIVE worldwide conspiracy involving the President of the United States murdering 3000 of his own people and the Israeli secret service and the stock exchange and the C.I.A and business in Saudi Arabia and Texas and the Middle east and cousins of politicians and business leaders really occur for some type of financial or world domination type goal?

OR

Did Osama Bin Laden, our sworn enemy and arch terrorist for over a decade, already responsible for mass murder a bunch of times, send his trained Al Queda operatives to pull out box cutters, scaring the crap out of passengers, in a perfectly executed, pretty simple plan, to fly planes into the World Trade Center and Washington landmarks to kill Americans and destroy our symbols and cripple our economy?

After reading the last two paragraphs I must say that that's it for me on this subject. I will not give THIS subject another second of my time. I can't. I'm sorry.

9:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Minstrel Boy,
Zan here from DU.

You might want to add this:

That Carlyle, a company with ties to George H. W. Bush, owned a majority share in the supplier of air traffic control surveillance systems for the Federal Aviation Authority, shouldn't raise any eyebrows. After all, it's a big company.

(And, hey, I only have the link as April 5, 2003. Don't have the relevant info for September 11, 2001.)




FRONT PAGE STORY - April 5, 2003
http://the-news.net/cgi-bin/story.pl?title=US%20arms%20group%20heads%20for%20Lisbon&edition=697

THE PORTUGAL NEWS
US arms group heads for Lisbon

Directors of one of the world’s largest armament companies are planning on meeting in Lisbon in three weeks time. The American based Carlyle Group is heavily involved in supplying arms to the Coalition forces fighting in the Iraqi war. It also holds a majority of shares in the Seven Up company and Federal Data Corporation, supplier of air traffic control surveillance systems to the US Federal Aviation Authority. The 12 billion dollar company has recently signed contracts with United Defence Industries to equip the Turkish and Saudi Arabian armies with aviation defence systems.

9:28 PM  
Blogger Tom said...

I was just thinking about some of the odds of the events happeneing on 911 according to the official version.. This might give people a little better idea of the degree of improbability of it all.

Let's just say for comparison purposes: odds of lining up three 7's or any symbols in a slot machine- let's say a moderate 2,000 to 1?

Compare to:

1) Odds of "terrorists" in four different air terminals, WITHIN THE HOUR, successfully getting past security and onto airliners that they intend to hijack- 20,000,000 to 1?

2) Odds of all airliners successfully hijacked and accurately guided to their targets by totally inexperienced pilots- 500,000,000 to 1?

3) Odds of NORAD defense system getting caught off guard and not responding to intercept the airliners- 6,000,000,000 to 1?

4) Odds of NORAD defense system getting caught off guard and not responding to intercept airliners, after repeated warnings of imminent terrorist attacks to the administration- infinitesimal?

3) Odds of a high-rise building like the World Trade Centers collapsing from a plane impact and fuel fire- 4,000,000 to 1?

4) Odds of TWO buildings like the WTC's to collapse from plane impact and fuel fire, within a half hour of each other and on the same property- almost infinitesimal?

5) Odds of two buildings collapsing from impact and fire, on the same property, within a half hour of each other, IN A PERFECTLY DOWNWARD CONTROLLED-LIKE DEMOLITION- infinitesimal?

6) Odds of government being caught off guard on 911 AND successfully "solving" the case within an hour after the attacks- 70,000,000 to 1?

7) Odds of all of the above happening within two hours ON THE SAME DAY- infinitesimal.

For those of you who have experienced the frustrating odds in a casino, you might get a better idea of the improbability of the government's version of 911. It just didn't happen that way! Most Americans seem to have lost the ability to distinguish between coincidence and conspiracy. There HAS to be a certain point where the "coincidences" are so numerous and improbable that one has to in all logic consider "conspiracy". Of course, the biggest factor here is not necessarily people's logical abilities, but whether they can actually still think for themselves, not brainwashed by the government!

9:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm SO relieved. My faith is government was beginning to erode. Thanks for showing me my fears were all just a bad dream.

9:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Jeff - nice work, hopefully will get through to some with their heads still in the sand (or elsewhere) - one thing - there was no standing order to shoot down hijacked planes - the standing order was simply to intercept them immediately, at which time the people in charge would have more info about the situation and decide whether to shoot them down or whatever.... the problem with saying something like this that is incorrect is that the "coincidence theorists" will jump on this as being wrong and try to use it to discredit everything else that is right!

11:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Whomever pointed out all the 'odds' - you must either have been asleep in stats class or are the world's worsr gambler.

Your argument falls apart when, you talk about the towers falling apart. Anyone who has an engineering degree and has been exposed to structural or civil engineering, (or even people who saw the two hour special on the history channel) knows that the building's supports melted and caused a cascade failure in the structure. Since the fires and explosions were localized, the intense heat and fire weakened the entire columns down to the base.

Any of this info can be found on any collection of news and non news and non US websites.

It is sad that you people need to look for some 'nifty action movie' type conspiracy. Bush may be a lousy president but as someone else pointed out, it isn't like he's planning to take over the world.

So, can you guys get real jobs and stop working tech support, or fast food, or retail, or whatever it is you do. I suppose you think the CIA killed JFK? Oh and that whole holocaust thing was just Israel exaggerating?

11:31 PM  
Blogger art said...

GREAT ARTICLE!

VERY FORWARDABLE!

12:36 AM  
Blogger Tom said...

Odds of most Americans opening their eyes and realizing how they have been duped about 911- infinitesimal?

Odds of a "Patriotic" government apologist admitting obvious facts about 911 that cast guilt on the Bush administration- infinitesinal?

Odds of the Bush administration providing us proof to back up their actions- infinitesimal?

Odds of most Americans continuing to believe the government fairy tales we are continually exposed to- infinitesimally sad!

1:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When one looks at everything that "occurred" that day - one has to consider that it was indeed organized crime and NOT organized by the CONSPIRACY of a group of men living in caves in some Godforsaken country. When anyone points to the simple impossiblility of this crime happening the way the government has claimed - with the government claiming to be completely in the dark one hour before the crime occurred and then fully aware of of who all the cave dwelling CONSPIRATORS were - THREE HOURS AFTER THE CRIME - is just so goofy and laughable - that only an idiot could possibly by that. But since there is really nothing that can practically be done to bring these men to justice without the involvement of intelligent and INFORMED citizens - in the end you just have to shrug your shoulders and say "Hey - what the hell" and ignore them all. As individuals we just have to conduct our affairs as if they don't exist. They are going to do what they are going to do and there isn't a damn thing the majority can do about it save and except sit back and watch them spasm like squrrels on the Tube. I mean for Christ sake - the world in general could give a shit! People are being slaughtered in Iraq - US and Iraqi forces and civilians both - and the country is jacked up about the frigging Olympics!! That tells you something doesn't it? The crime of the century and they are watching 13 year old girls walking around in tight clothes and flipping and jumping across a wooden bar like their lives depended on it!! It defies belief that the majority could be so apathetic. Without a majority of concerned citizens - any sense of revolution is out of the question. The people of the US are less intelligent and involved than the so-called PEASANT CLASS in Venezuela!! In that nation 94% of the people are registered and 4 times the oligarchs tried to remove Chavez - but the people are involved and INTERESTED in the affairs of their country. Not so in the US. FAT and Lazy and above all happy ignorant slaves. We have the system to remove all of them - but with only 60 percent of our people registered to participate in the process and most of them all voting for one form of collectivism or another - the odds of any meaningful change taking place or BILLIONS TO ONE!! Not one journalist has sought to really publically challenge the status quo. Not one real senator or Congressman. Not one Editor from one of the Majors!! Not one Law enforcement agent from the majors on the City (mass murder in NYC) State (mass murder in NY and VA) Federal (Mass murder in the US) have sought to make their name and history by treating the entire matter as a simple murder instead of a "Terrorist act". not one of the major Generals from any of the 4 major branches of the military have broken ranks and sided with Commons sense!! NOT ONE!!

1:10 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let me just say that this is perhaps the most insightful, and yet humorous column I've ever been privy to read.

Awesome...I'm forwarding to my friends n loved ones...whether they like it OR NOT...cowards...lol

1:53 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is probably the best, most concise, wittiest and most convincing treatment of the case for 9/11 skepticism I have had the privilege to read in my going on three years of collecting and writing on this subject. Thank you.

Link up at 911truth.org under the blog. Can we put the whole thing up at the site? Please inform, write me a mail

nicholas@911truth.org

4:49 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

...And the fact that Condaleeza Rice phoned her good friend, San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown the evening of September 10, and advised him not to fly commercial that week? Lies! Damn Lies!! To be sure!!!

6:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

America is bent to the core...simple as!

7:23 AM  
Blogger EB said...

That you are a raving lunatic.

That you forgot your medication.

That your friends from the raving lunatic asylum were all released on the same day and managed to stumble upon random symbols that allowed them to read your lunatic ravings.

That the government is watching you right now and downloading all your lunatic ravings.

That the white suited lunatic catchers are pulling up to your door as I type.

That you follow the great tradition that includes Chariots of the Gods and Gerbils up a certain actor's ass.

That we have a candidate who depends on lunatics to vote for him.

According to my calculations, 1 in a gazillion! But it happened!

8:37 AM  
Blogger Pax said...

Great piece. Thanks for your work. Nothing is impossible or improbable with our current regime - and/or others in the past. The question is - what tricks does W have up his sleeve pre-election.

8:54 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you for this in depth list of FACTS that have occurred regarding 9/11 and the before and after of it.

I will pass this on to many, many doubters!

9:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am under the impression that George Bush was in Florida on the night of September10, dining with Jeb and other Republican worthies.
Other than this, I am very impressed with this Coincidence Guide. Excellent work.

9:01 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For more information about these coincidences, check out www.cooperativeresearch.org

9:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Remember, Clinton had a list of "suspicious" events just as long. It is easy to look back and convince yourself that the Bush/Bin Laden family conspired 9/11 to generate wealth for itself. However, if all the evidence you cite is readily verifiable for the public, why no outrage? If it is as open and shut as you say, then people in high places should be exposed. Why is this not happening? Could it be, that much of what you cite is mere speculation, conspiracy-laced, opinion of what you WISH was true so you can blast the current administration?

9:52 AM  
Blogger john b said...

Tom - careful. Your odds are very, very wrong, to the extent that you're providing ammunition to the wingnuts who think questioning the official story is the preserve of the crazy.

US airline security was appalling before 9/11. I know of various people who managed to accidentally carry *guns* in their hand luggage, never mind small blades.

You're radically overestimating the value of air defence. I don't know much about NORAD, but the chances of a typical air defence system getting caught off-guard while not on terrorist alert would never be less likely than 100-1 (ie 99% success rate). I suspect they'd be a great deal lower.

Flying a 767 or a 757 isn't an easy job, but it's not an enormously hard one - and the difficult bits are things like landing and flaps, not airside steering. Purely on the basis of my MS flight simulator experience, I managed to do some reasonably impressive-looking things in British Airways' real 767 simulator a few years ago. The reason pilots train for a long time is because if you mess it up then everyone dies, so a 95% chance of success isn't really acceptable. The terrorists appear not to be too worried about people dying.

The WTC towers were specced to withstand a plane impact, but not to withstand a full planeload of kerosene setting them on fire. While passers-by didn't think the towers would fall, experienced structural engineers did.

The WTC towers were also specced so that if they did ever fall due to external force, it would be in the form of a perfectly downward controlled-like demolition. This is the case for all new skyscrapers - everyone concerned *really* wants to avoid playing Manhattan dominoes.

9:53 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Errrr....It would be easier to spread this far and wide
if it would print. I can't even save it and load it into a graphics program and print it.

Annonymous

OK How about inept?

10:07 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Regarding fire in The Towers:

There was quite a bit of radio conversation coming from firefighters who at certain points after reaching the burning floors determined that the fires had died down to "controllable" levels. From memory, firefighters stated floors they were on and then commented how fires were dying out. The obvious point, is that structural steel columns would be most likely to buckle when they are at their highest temperature, since the yield strenght of the steel reduces with temperature (and then more or less returns as the steel cools!) - This is another discrepancy pointed out by some structural people examining the sequence of fire-heating-cooling-collapse...

10:39 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

love this article, it's just that lots of people will never accept the enemy is deep within , not in the good old
usa, it would be equivalent to death or insanity in their small mind.

10:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Billy Thrill...

Ya just don't get it.....do ya?

The point of the blog is that there are too many coincidences, anomalies and half truths for the official story of 9/11 to be true. What you need to do is get through you thick skull the fact that NO ONE IS SUGGESTING BUSH ORGANIZED 9/11!!!! How stupid can you be? The whole point is that we are being lied to and need to demand real answers from our leaders....got it?

11:25 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"NORAD was also conducting another war game entitled Operation Northern Vigilance that involved stationing fighter aircraft in northern Canada and Alaska to stave off the threat of the Russian fleet flying over the arctic. Due to this exercise only 14 figher aircraft were left to protect the United States on September the 11th." ( Only goes to show that we won´t be caught off guard by the russians. )

http://www.norad.mil/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.news_rel_09_09_01

12:38 PM  
Blogger George Washington said...

Great Post!!! Because most americans don't know that the Twin Towers were likely brought down with controlled demolition, how about an entry which quotes all the witnesses (including firefighters) who stated that they heard bombs going off and the Towers appear to have been brought down with controlled demolition? And it is also a coincidence that the collapse of the towers looked EXACTLY like controlled demolitions of buildings or sports stadiums?

3:54 PM  
Blogger Susie Dow said...

That a client of Riggs Bank sent tens of millions of dollars in suspicious transactions and that that client was the Saudi Embassy headed by Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan just shows how rich the Saudis really are.

That Prince Bandar's wife, Princess Haifa al-Faisal, authorized regular payments over four years to two Saudi families in California, one of whom reportedly helped find lodgings for two of the 15 Saudi hijackers who took part in the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on New York and the Pentagon, is no reason to question her charitable nature.

4:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great job!

5:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great job, but you missed one of the strangest conicidences - that Warren Buffett was hosting a Charity Golf tournament at Offutt Air Force Base in Omaha, and this base is where Air Force One retreated to on 9/11. More interesting is that Anne Tatlock, CEO of Fiduciary Trust Co. International, was a guest at the golf tournament. Fiduciary Trust reinvests money for billionaires like Buffett. On 9/11 military officers ushered Tatlock into a lounge, just in time to see Flight 175 crash into the WTC South Tower exactly where Fiduciary Trust's offices were located.

http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/buffett.html

5:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"That the National Military Command Center ops director asked a rookie substitute to stand his watch at 8:30 am on Sept. 11 is nothing more than bad timing."

Of course, that this band of radical Muslim fanatics happened to crash their planes into the WTC towers 15 minutes later at 8:45 am, when the building was not fully tenanted, rather than 9:00 am, thereby not deriving maximum impact from their actions, simply shows bad planning on the part of this (as our leaders tell us) terrifyingly efficient organization, known best for careful planning. But that was probably just a last-minute airport security hitch at the airports.

5:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh, my various gods!

Would someone PLEASE put this one into Mr. Kerry's IN-basket, so that he'll get it in the morning? I think he may wish to peruse.

Thx, ever so.

!

10:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

These coinciences are AMAZING. But, I still find it hard to believe that there was an actual conspiracy by Bush and all his henchmen. I just can't believe that they would have done that. Call me naive.

However, this list of coincidences really does point out the magnitude of conflicts of interest going on in the government, the complete ineptitude of the entire Bush administration, and the sickening greed of all of them, that led to the horrific 9/11 occurrence. Our demented government made it so friggin' easy for the attack to occur; at the very least, they unwittingly (as in, witlessly) led the attackers to the airport gates.

Thanks for this blog. I have certainly shared the link.

Di

11:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great work, if only Joe 6Pack could get off the couch and read it!

11:58 PM  
Blogger BillyThrilly7 said...

Anonymous(real brave) said...
"Billy Thrill...

Ya just don't get it.....do ya?

The point of the blog is that there are too many coincidences, anomalies and half truths for the official story of 9/11 to be true. What you need to do is get through you thick skull the fact that NO ONE IS SUGGESTING BUSH ORGANIZED 9/11!!!! How stupid can you be? The whole point is that we are being lied to and need to demand real answers from our leaders....got it?"

LOL...great post ANONYMOUS...lol...here you go...

The process of name-calling is typically based upon feeling not OK, and name-callers are trying to make themselves feel more powerful by using the process. If I call you a name and get you upset, then I temporarily feel more powerful because I had a powerful effect upon you. My self-esteem rises at your expense. I project my unhappiness on to you and you take it on if you allow yourself to be upset.

12:04 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Another concidence under terrorist attacks, if you count the days between 9/4, 9/9= 5, days between attacks of 9/9 & 9/13 = 4 5+4=9... the days between attacks of 9/13 & 9/16 = 3, and days between 9/16 & 9/22+= 6... 6+3 =9.. and these attacks happened in the ninth month, of 99 yr.

12:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Another concidence under terrorist attacks, if you count the days between 9/4, 9/9= 5, days between attacks of 9/9 & 9/13 = 4 5+4=9... the days between attacks of 9/13 & 9/16 = 3, and days between 9/16 & 9/22+= 6... 6+3 =9.. and these attacks happened in the ninth month, of 99 yr.

12:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"These coinciences are AMAZING. But, I still find it hard to believe that there was an actual conspiracy by Bush and all his henchmen. I just can't believe that they would have done that. Call me naive."

Somethings are true whether you believe them or not.

Excellent work:)

12:58 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"These coinciences are AMAZING. But, I still find it hard to believe that there was an actual conspiracy by Bush and all his henchmen. I just can't believe that they would have done that. Call me naive."

Somethings are true whether you believe them or not.

Excellent work:)

12:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You put alot of work into this - I will forward it as far as I can - I need to read it again so much detail.

6:21 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous(real brave) said...
"Billy Thrill...

Ya just don't get it.....do ya?

The point of the blog is that there are too many coincidences, anomalies and half truths for the official story of 9/11 to be true. What you need to do is get through you thick skull the fact that NO ONE IS SUGGESTING BUSH ORGANIZED 9/11!!!! How stupid can you be? The whole point is that we are being lied to and need to demand real answers from our leaders....got it?"

LOL...great post ANONYMOUS...lol...here you go...

The process of name-calling is typically based upon feeling not OK, and name-callers are trying to make themselves feel more powerful by using the process. If I call you a name and get you upset, then I temporarily feel more powerful because I had a powerful effect upon you. My self-esteem rises at your expense. I project my unhappiness on to you and you take it on if you allow yourself to be upset.

Thank you. I am curious though, why do you think the government would lie about 9/11 if you do not think they had anything to do with it? If all these events were more than "coincidence", you must believe there was extensive planning on the part of the Bush administration to concieve and carry out this attack for personal/political gain.

7:50 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That we are supposed to believe the cell phone calls from inside a all metal fusalage going 400+mph at whatever altitude when alot of calls to talk radio using cell phones within sight of the towers 2miles away are so garbled or static filled the show host hangs up? That none of the black boxes survived or could be made public? That those mysterous flashes seen from multiple angles as the jets were about to breech the WTC were sun glints or puffs of dust in the sun or something other than worthy of investigation.
That the only pictures of landing gear rims and jet compressor fan parts at the pentagon coincedentally match those from unaccounted for Global Hawk
remote drones should be dissmisses as paranoic indications of a lack of
floride and too much melatonin. (Techknomen of www.tv10morehead.com attempting to diminish ignorance in the land of [NE]Kentucky)

10:23 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Unaccounted for "Global Hawk"? Are you trying to say that an airliner didn't hit the Pentagon? What about all the people who were on that flight? Oh yea, they must be stuffed in an underground railroad car in the Nevada desert.

11:09 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Perhaps you should also consider the Oklahoma City bombings as part of the "dress rehearsal". Tim McVeigh behaved in a very, desensitized, "programmed" way during his trial, interviews and just before execution. To me it seemed the whole event smacked of Pentagon/CIA planning to test if they can program Americans to kill and terrorize fellow Americans. The close-quarters urban combat tactics being tried out in Iraq are really just a warm-up for the real war in American cities in case of revolution. That the Bush family was involved with Nazi Germany and aided several high-ranking Nazis in coming to the US just about says it all.

11:33 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please cite for us where your information about the connection between Bush/Nazi's comes from. If the Tim McVie was a CIA robot then explain Terry Nichols. Why, in all the years he has been incarcerated, did he never mention CIA involvement? While yes, Tim McVie acted very odd throughout his trial up to his execution, Terry Nichols has not acted in that way.
Please explain what you think the Bush's would have to gain, by warfare in the streets of America?

12:25 PM  
Blogger Bo Peep said...

So I emailed this to a friend of mine and recieved this noteworthy reply titled "Okay...so what":

"Let's say it's all true. Every word, every accusation, every dotted-line connection ... so what. What are you going to do differently tomorrow morning when you wake? How is your commute, your hours at work, the lunch you take - how is it all going to change? Are you going to stop raising your children and paying your mortgage to start a revolution? No. Well, then what about little differences? Maybe just something minute. Nope. Nothing.

I do believe truth sets a person, any person free. It's liberating, insightful, and empowering. Intrinsic to the revelations themselves are joy, peace, and hope. If truth sets you free why then are these "truths" such a burden. Perhaps at most it's all just absolutely useless fact."

Good questions. What do I do? Every person, who is convinced things are not as they have been explained, at some point must finally ask themself -- What do I do?

Is our situation so threatening that it does require immediate action? Most of us exist as frogs in a slowly warming pot, and sadly, we know it. And if we are convinced that action must begin right now in some capacity, What?

Luckily, the system stills allows us to possess seats of power (Congress), in theory. But how long will this window of opportunity remain open before the system is changed?

In fact about two weeks ago I got so frustrated about it all that I declared I was going to run for Congress, to do my part to try to take back our country from those who have stolen it from us. Bold move, huh?. But even if a non-insider little guy could get into a system of which entry is so tightly controlled (Congress), and could make lasting far-reaching changes (without every motion being buried by the power brokers), there is still a good chance that the one-man-fighter in Congress might get conveniently "lonegunman'd, suicide'd, or accident'd" at some point along the path. Not a risk I am willing to take for the sake of my family.

So what do we do?

I think that we cannot wrest control out of the hands of the current controllers until America knows the truth and is ready to throw them out. So, knowing that the country gets its information from the controlled media, which will never lend us a helping hand in getting the truth out, What do I do?

* * * *
Lastly an aside: Noting the attitudes of some of the replies and some of the replies-to-the-replies makes you almost think that there might be professional "alternative-viewpoints" debunkers under the employ of the "offical-story creators" right here on this blog. The average-guy debunker doesn't seem to take such a personally demeaning approach. And why would the passionate (possibly employed) debunker have the impetus to find this blog in the first place?

3:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Man, that is truly scary. We haven't had such a criminal presidency since Bill Clinton had Vince Foster murdered, partly for having an affair with Hillary; partly to cover up Bill's money laundering from drug deals.

7:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"And the Truth will set you Free!"
Great words...often taken out of context and
twisted around to fit one person or another's
agenda. As many readers have implied, either
directly or not, nothing is to be gained from
this exercise. This Representative Republic
will stand as it has for so many, many years.
There will be no national movement, no government
overthrow here. The bicameral system will remain
intact, and the independs will continue to
have their 4 year migraine, time and time again.

Do you not see? Can you not tell which way
the wind is blowing? Exhale all your breath and
take the next through your nose. Do you smell it?
It reeks so much that you should taste it...
It is death. This world, since time immemorial has
been filled with it. Fear not...death is but a
gateway. What lies beyond for each and every soul
is chosen here, however. You must choose...so
choose wisely. The events that occured on Sept.11
were truly tragic. 3,000+ people losing their
lives was horrible. But it is no more horrible
than what takes place everyday at places like
Planned Parenthood. Where is the outrage for the
debacles occuring there? Why weep, and fester in
rage for the ones who died on 9/11 and so bask
yourselves in the triumph of "Civil Liberty" that
Roe v. Wade "gifted" to us? The utter hypocrisy
of the laments in this article is pathetic. The
finger-pointing is merely a distraction from the
horrors not allowed to see the light of day....

Educate yourselves...the Nuclear Age is fading
fast...welcome to a brave new world...the true
terror is coming, and it is coming to Liberal and
Conservative, and Independent alike...follow this
link...if you dare.
http://www.apologeticspress.org/rr/rr2001/r&r0108a.htm

11:08 PM  
Blogger Bostongemini said...

Great Work! There is a lot of evidence that 9/11 was an inside job. Investigative journalist Mike Ruppert has been trying to call attention to this for years. His talks are easily downloaded through file sharing apps.

A quick look at the neocons website: www.newamericancentury.org shows they were itching to invade Iraq all through the 1990s. In '98 they wrote a letter to Clinton (published in the Wash. Times, avail on the pnac website) urging him to invade then. And, as noted, they wrote that it'd take a Pearl Harbor like event to get Americans behind that and other war plans.

Imperialism doesn't play too well in a democracy, unless you fool the people into thinking they're in the right.

11:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow! great blog!

but about the firemen...was it bombs or the poor sad souls who had to jump? in the French bros film it seems they were confused as to what the explosions were...did some from the upper floors here them too? this is almost to horrible to ask, but what about the firemen not being warned...were they trapped in cause they found the detonator fuses or something? around 350 firemen dying seems unbelivable.

I'm very much a coinidence theorist but I really want to be careful about facts...sometimes facts can be out of context...with F-911 and the failure in Iraq ppl are much more receptive, so we should be extra sure.

How about listing all the confusing training excersizes that were planed that week, those were perfect smokescreens. how about anthrax being sent to the opposing party.

is there any "coincident theory" sites about the DC sniper case (during the run up to the invation of Iraq no less)that always seemed weird...ex-army guy becomes Muslim changes his name, acting tripped out like Tim McVeigh, and about OK City and T. McVeighs partner, the guy seemed easily lead.

1:03 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

oops, the anthrax case was covered, sorry

1:04 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

...And the fact that every major news network blasted "Fahrenheit 9/11" for "not being journalism" is not any indication that they are working for BushCo and not in the interest of truth. Ya see, Mike Moore really lies when he claims it's not meant to be journalism but a film representing one POV, after all it has to be journalism! If it wasn't then media wouldn't blast it for not being journalism... Meanwhile they have the Div†ne insight to continue to let the Bush Administration tell them what's true and what's not without investigating it or even asking BushCo. difficult questions (since he's Chosen By God he's in†allible like the Pope) while they seem to have no problem asking Mike Moore hard questions and even treat him with such obvious hostility. After all BushCo only got us into a war with a nation that posed no immediate threat to us while that anti-American bastard Moore has the evil heart to actually want an end to the war and see our brave men and women home safe. It's because of this evil Nazi-like agenda that the News Media is so critical of him. Anyone who thinks's a shameless attempt to discredit him so people don't investigate his facts for themselves rather then trust the news and GOP web sites are just nut-jobs After all we all know the media is "liberal", Neo-Cons tell us so so why wouldn't they tell us lies favoring the Bush Agenda? Heck the only reason the "liberal media" won't report on civilian causalities is because there obviously are none! The U.S. military now has magic bombs, missiles and bullets, made by the Elves and imported from Middle-Earth. They kill the bad guys while protecting the Elderly, Women, children and puppies from any harm. All those children and other civilians missing arms and legs from U.S. attacks shown on BBC and other international news networks are actually computer-generated puppets created by evil Satan Worshipping (AKA muslims) computer-programmers who hate God's chosen present (So that's who sElected Dubya...) and want us to stop believing in the Elven magic bombs and the Devine will of God. (Since God of course takes an active interest in politics. When Jesus said he didn't he was just joking. Ah the silly kidder...) After all if the footage was real it would be on CNN since they're such liberal whores as is all the media in the U.S. except of course Fox News (AKA the GOP Press Release channel), which as we all know from the Neo-Cons, is wonderfully fair and balanced. It's in the interest of being fair-and-balanced that they have gusts who spout Muslim hate speech. After all Amerca needs to know that Muslims worshil not God but Satan. The fact that the Quran spefically refers to Jesus Christ as the Messiah is just a clever ruse by the Forces of Evil™.
Also it's in the interest of being fair and balanced that Faux News™ has such insightful reports that lead the majority of it's viewers to believe we've actually found WMDs in Iraq - all those rusty empty cans that held serine gas a decade ago where obviously a ®Clear and Present Danger® to our country and our freedom and more then justifies the deaths of over 1,000 American soldiers. Feel blessed that we live in such a free society my friends - Yours faithfully,
- The Starkiller

4:17 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That a hijacker's passport survived the explosion and was found in the debris [http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2001/Sep-16-Sun-2001/news/17011253.html] merely indicates that black boxes and cockpit voice recorders should be made from the same material as these documents.

It was later revealed by the FBI that they were initially mistaken and the passport had not been found, but I can't find a link to that. Anyone else remember the story?

The collapse of the towers from 'melting' structures and the plane (global hawk?) which hit the pentagon are interesting and documented in detail on many sites. Briefly:

The fact that people made it to the holes which the planes made in the buildings, without getting their hair or clothes burned (there's video evidence for this), suggests that the fires in the buildings were not big enough to impede their paths from, presumably, the far side of the floors hit by the planes or the floors just above. It would be the thick smoke coming from within the building and up the external walls rather then the fire that they were jumping to escape from.

The hole in the side of the Pentagon was narrower and less tall than the Boeing which supposedly hit it, and there was no damage to the lawn infront of the building. There is a suggestion that the explosion has the hallmarks of a bomb rather than a fuel-based explosion (based on colour, light intensity, size and speed of expansion) but bent-over lampposts near the pentagon indicate that a plane did approach it. So maybe a global hawk packed with explosives? But then if you're going to hijack a plane, why not just fly that into the building instead of going to the extra hassle? And maybe the Boeing just got smaller as it came closer to the building. I'm sure there's something in the Theory of Relativity to explain that ;-)

Jim

10:03 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In response to "The truth shall set you free",

Good job, It is qutie amazing how some people can be so quick to find a government conspiracy in the hijaking of 4 airliners leading to the murder of 3000 innocent people, yet miss the systematic, government sanctioned murder of thousands each day in this country.

Think people. What really does the Big Media have to gain, by NOT reporting the truth? What threat really keeps them from coming forward.

Think. If our own government was behind 9/11, how many people would be involved? How believeable is it really that ALL those people have no concious? No remorse for the loss of life?

Its harder to put stock in the fairy tails about 9/11 than it is to look at what happened really.

19 Hi-Jackers, many from Saudi Arabia. Integrated into our society over a period of time. They gained our trust, made us feel comfortable around them. On a planned date, they met together, they hijacked 4 airliners with the intention of sending a message to the world that they were in control. That America was evil because of its support of a nation with no right to exist (if you do not know what nation that is, I am not going to say here, because if you do not know, then you cannot understand terrorism anyway).
They hi-jacked 4 airliners with innocent people on them. They succeeded in hitting our two most important monuments to our financial success, and the most important monument to our defensive success. They failed to break the resolve of American citizens to defend themselves. When they knew that battle was lost they dove the aircraft into the ground.
At that point our President did, what the previous President failed to do. He responded, and is still responding.

Ask yourself this: How many terrorist acts have occured in the United States since 9/11.

Zero.

11:21 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Exactly! There have been no terrorist attacks since 911 because the government only needed it to happen once. Welcome to the New American Century!

Would the American people have sent their kids to die in Afghanistan and Iraq WITHOUT a need for "revenge"? Would the American people have volunteered to give up their liberties had there NOT been an attack on the US? Would up to 50,000 pipeline-sabotaging, fanatical Arabs be stone-dead right now if 911 had NOT happened?

Of course, the fact that the Western military industrial complex, Western oil interests, and Israeli-American "visionaries" are the only people in the entire world who actually benefitted from 911 is merely evidence that... uh...

Can someone please help me with this coincidence?

12:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ONLY THE PARANOID TRULY KNOW THE SCORE!

12:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Replying to "...yet miss the systematic, government sanctioned murder of thousands each day in this country."

Just because they didn't mention it doesn't mean they don't notice it. Just like your omission of the 27000 preventable deaths every day in Africa, that the people of the US could stop if they chose to spend as much on 3rd world charities as they do on pet food, doesn't mean you don't care - it's just off topic.

As for the rest of what you say, surely you must be even a little concerned about some of these coincidences? Terrorism does happen, but governments have a history of letting things go through if it suits them and their backers. It's not necessarliy the case that everyone who could have helped the terrorists succeed did so, but perhaps some of them did, and you want them to go unpunished because the people who want action are blind to the abortion issue so can just be dismissed?

Clinton did take action. He sent "$10,000,000 missiles to blow up $10 tents" (paraphrasing him I think) and Bush scaled down the intelligence gathering that was set up under Clinton and, as stated in the coincidences above, Bush "ended the...deployment of attack submarines" which were presumably ordered by Clinton. Clinton didn't have a Pearl Harbour to allow him to do what Bush has done and doing more than he did while the Lewinsky saga was going on would have been spun as 'a distraction' by a media which wanted to attack him at every opportunity. Even so, his efforts to capture Bin Laden (remember the prime objective after 9/11?) were as successful as Bush's.

btw, there have been terrorist attacks in the US since 9/11: the distibution of waponized anthrax from us military research establishments to senators opposing the US P.A.T.R.I.O.T act.

Jim

2:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From The Guardian "Uncle Sam's Lucky Finds" March 19 2002

On Sunday night the United States prepared for fresh strikes against new pockets of al-Qaida and Taliban fighters in Afghanistan. At almost exactly the same time, American intelligence revealed that they had uncovered an increase in money being transferred between groups of al-Qaida fighters. According to my reckoning, this is the 14th handy thing that American intelligence has discovered since September 11. Think back over the past six months and it becomes ineluctable: never in the history of modern warfare has so much been found so opportunely.

It started the day after the attacks on the twin towers, with the discovery of a flight manual in Arabic and a copy of the Koran in a car hired by Mohammed Atta and abandoned at Boston airport. In the immediate shocked aftermath of the attacks, these findings were somehow reassuring: American intelligence was on the case, the perpetrators were no longer faceless.

In less than a week came another find, two blocks away from the twin towers, in the shape of Atta's passport. We had all seen the blizzard of paper rain down from the towers, but the idea that Atta's passport had escaped from that inferno unsinged would have tested the credulity of the staunchest supporter of the FBI's crackdown on terrorism.

SNIP
Uncle Sam's Lucky Finds

11:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

DC Sniper John Mohammed as "Manchurian Candidate"?http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/02-07-04/discussion.cgi.78.html

"On Wednesday, October 23 Chief Charles Moose repeated a strange phrase on television he said the sniper had requested in a note left at the scene of one of the killings: 'You have indicated that you want us to do and say certain things. You've asked us to say, 'We have caught the sniper like a duck in a noose.' .

John Muhammad and Lee Malvo were arrested less than ten hours later while sleeping in their car in the main part of a rest stop.

Many believe that strange phrase was used to trigger a post-hypnotic command to Muhammad and Malvo. The command obviously would have been to stop the killing and make yourselves available for capture.

From introduction of the Iraq war resolution on October 2nd (the day of the first sniper shootings) through all the debate, votes in the House and Senate and the signing of the bill into law, the headlines and the nation's attention were riveted on the hunt for the D.C. sniper and on his victims.

Was the timing of the sniper killings and the movement of the Iraq war resolution through Congress just a coincidence?"

8:54 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A truly excellent blog, I cant believe I havent stumbled upon this before.

I will be watching this closely from now on. Nice to see we have representatives from Bush Corp contributing too, it makes what we do so worthwhile :)

I have loads I could contribute to your list but they are from further afield and not specific to 9/11. My focus of late has been developments in Georgia amongst others.

But here is one little gem I found last year that convinced (and utterly appalled) me that all is not what it seems surrounding 9/11. I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions rather than taint it with my crazy wacko interpretations. It's a rather tedious read but if you arent already aware of it you'll be thinking "gosh, what a coincidence".

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/

If the CIA are reading this then dont come knocking on my door you declassified this, Fools!!

If I could offer one piece of advice, it would be to back this site up and host it on multiple webhosts - preferably outside the US and UK. There are plenty of freebie hosts these days. I was a long time member of the Independant Newspaper political forum before it was abruptly shut down a few months ago - something to do with "insufficient moderators" they said. Shame because by coincidence it was the best source of 'realtime realnews', discussion and debate I have yet found. Not even Antiwar.com was as good.

Keep up the good work,

BattleDove

4:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your link to the gwu.edu site has been 404'd - but, through the magic of Google cache...

http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:Czu24h_aqEAJ:www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/+&hl=en

9:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Popaganda is always thrown out and given out..........but only the smart and knowledged understand the Bullshit and Real shit! So people keep passing out this info to anyone you can and let them decide what is true and what is not! That is why we are voters and we do have a choice, so do your best to pass it on Citizens of the Free World! Soo..... who are you going to vote for and what laws are you going to allow to pass? The choice is yours!

12:13 AM  
Blogger Chris S said...

That Osama Bin Laden worked in Afgainstan during the war against the Russians and was funded by the US is not secret. It was announced on the evening news where I live. But, we also have a history of supporting people who bite us back.

At least one of your links is dead (newsmine.org). A number of others are sources of questionable reliability.

For now you're just preaching to the choir.

12:48 PM  
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10:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And the fact that our nation is engaged in a life-or-death struggle to control the last Middle East nation with spare oil extraction capacity (Iraq)(1), after being sold a war based widespread perception of an Iraqi-9/11 connection(2), is just another example of how fate favors those who prepare ahead.

links (1) http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/oil/2002/1216future.htm
(2) http://truthout.org/docs_03/printer_100403F.shtml

[this is for those anonymous posters who can't imagine WHY 9-11 happened. It's bigger than personal gain for Bush and Cheney; it's bigger than rewarding corporate sponsors (Halliburton, Exxon-Mobil, et al); it's more subtle than "world domination." 9-11 planted the fear in the American psyche that would allow our citizenry to support invasions of critical nations like Iraq (2nd largest oil reserves in the world) and Afghanistan (in the path of the most-needed oil/gas pipeline) under the guise of the "war on terror." Sure, we could have bought oil from Saddam, but not without making him more powerful, not to mention the fact that other countries had the development rights to Iraqi oil fields. As it stands now, American companies control the oil fields, and the French, the Russians, etc are locked out.

So, as the world enters the Peak Oil era where worldwide oil demand outstrips worldwide supply, BushCo has the hand on the last tap that can be opened... 9-11 means the continuance of the profligately energy-wasting American way of life... for a few more years at least. Do you GET it yet?

If so, try visiting http://www.fromthewilderness.com/ , or how about http://www.peakoil.net/ ]

4:20 PM  
Blogger BillyThrilly7 said...

Occham's razor: The simplest solution is more likely when all other things are equal.

Did a MASSIVE worldwide conspiracy involving the President of the United States murdering 3000 of his own people and the Israeli secret service and the stock exchange and the C.I.A and business in Saudi Arabia and Texas and the Middle east and cousins of politicians and business leaders really occur for some type of financial or world domination type goal?

OR

Did Osama Bin Laden, our sworn enemy and arch terrorist for over a decade, already responsible for mass murder a bunch of times, send his trained Al Queda operatives to pull out box cutters, scaring the crap out of passengers, in a perfectly executed, pretty simple plan, to fly planes into the World Trade Center and Washington landmarks to kill Americans and destroy our symbols and cripple our economy?

4:56 PM  
Blogger BillyThrilly7 said...

Why we need conspiracy theories
Conspiracy theories make the world seem safer
By BBC News Online's Charlotte Parsons

The moon landing was faked, Princess Diana was murdered and JFK was the victim of an elaborate CIA assassination plot.

When major historic events shake our world, conspiracy theories are seldom far behind.

The US terror attacks are no exception. The dust had barely settled on New York before the cloaks and daggers came out.

Less than two weeks after the disaster, BBC News Online found itself inundated with e-mails seeking confirmation of the various theories now circling the globe.

Hundreds of them cite a web page that lambasted the CNN for stirring up anti-Arab sentiment by running "fake footage" of Palestinians cheering over the attacks on the US.

If you think it's a rogue person or an unsophisticated group you start worrying about your daily life

Psychology Professor Cary Cooper
The news network is accused of digging out 10-year-old images of celebrations that followed the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait and passing them off as Palestinian displays of anti-Americanism.

The allegations can be traced back to a message posted on Chicago Indymedia's website.

"Think for a moment about the impact of such images," the text urges visitors. "This kind of broadcast has a very high possibility of causing waves of anger and rage against the Palestinians."

Another popular theory holds that the Israelis working in the World Trade Center left the building shortly before the attacks. In a similar vein, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon is said to have cancelled a visit that would have placed him in New York on 11 September.

The implication: The terror attacks were a trick designed to turn world opinion against Israel's Muslim enemies.

The theories are unsourced, unfounded and untrue. But they are spreading fast.

Human nature

This begs the question: Where do conspiracy theories come from? What is it in human nature that drives us to create alternative worlds peopled by shadowy figures?

Are we paranoid, delusional or just plain bored?

According to Psychology Professor Cary Cooper we are trying to stave off fear of random violence and unpredictable death.

There are 36,000 Diana conspiracy web sites

"They do that because they can't come to terms with the fact that it could be just a few people," said Professor Cooper, who lectures at the University of Manchester Institute of Science and Technology.

"If you think it's a rogue person or an unsophisticated group you start worrying about your daily life. If this can happen, what sense of security can you have?"

We create alternate realities because we reject the world where a single madman can bring down a president, a reckless driver can snuff out a princess... and a few men with knives can terrorise a country.

The internet helps the theories grow and spread. An estimated 36,000 Princess Diana conspiracy web sites were created after her death.

Ripple effect

Professor Cooper predicts that, in the weeks ahead, US terror attack theories will expand and become attributed to an ever larger group of culprits.

"We simply can't believe a small number of people could be behind it," he says, adding that a similar ripple effect followed the John F Kennedy shooting.

Conspiracy theories are not unique to Western culture. Experts say they have operated in many societies throughout history.

On a certain psychological level, we appear to need them.

Giving misery and injustice an identity makes life more bearable, according to Jeffrey Bale, who writes for an online magazine that examines the phenomenon.

"Conspiracy theories account for current crises and upheavals and explain why bad things are happening to good people or vice versa," he said.

4:58 PM  
Blogger Tom said...

For those of you who discount conspiracy theories because you feel people will tend to come forward and expose it afterwards, you are missing some big points. First of all, people HAVE come forward with their testimony about conspiracies, but the powers-that-be simply censure them from the mainstream media, generally keeping people in the dark. All one has to do is look at the tremendous amount of time and effort that assassination researchers have put into the Kennedy and King assassinations.

There are mountains of verified and documented information that has been uncovered by these people that lays to rest the government versions of these murders. This information has been available to any interested-enough party for many years. Most people are totally unaware of the amount of information out there that disproves the government's case against Oswald, Ray and Sirhan. Certainly, being tied to the corporate powers that steer our goverment behind closed doors, the mainstream media will never give this information to the general populace. In other words, just by the amount of people that can be kept in the dark or made to consider conspiracy theorists as wackos, the conspiracy itself remains a very safe distance from mass public exposure.

Secondly, conspiracies such as 911 are orchestrated much like a military operation. There is a chain of command and those that execute certain roles underneath. Information is dispensed to these foot soldiers on a need-to-know basis. It is just a matter of doling out orders and the pawns of the conspiracy complying. The over-all nature of the operation is kept in the dark when it involves something as murderous as 911. The end result of the conspiracy is supposed to be something very different that what some key players are led to believe. These fooled foot soldiers are easy prey to be set up as patsies. This kept-in-the-dark aspect of any conspiracy lessens the chance of whistleblowers who would expose the conspiracy.

Thirdly, after a conspiracy is executed, many players or witnesses are in fear for their lives, so they remain silent. In the JFK assassination, many witnesses met untimely deaths in the few years after 1963. Conspiracies involving powerful people have the ability to "clean house", using their many black ops assets as hit men. Just do a search using the words "Clinton death list" to get an idea of what cleaning house is all about.

In conclusion, I really feel that people who discount conspiracies because of the possiibility of conspirators or witnesses talking are not taking into account these three points. Conspiracy is defined as a crime commited by two or more people. The covering up that takes place after the crime is in itself a PART of the crime- obstruction of justice. In this sense, the continued coverups of many government wrong-doings is but an ongoing crime. As long as the people are kept in the dark there HAS to be a continuing conspiarcy.

2:22 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I believe most of the staements are true, but without any reference or proof, they are useless. You should add links to news and articles from respected and credible institutions, or find a way to corroborate every story.

10:20 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Another odd coincidence? Perhaps they really were innocent and just happened to be armed to the teeth for their own protection in these dangerous times...

http://www.americanfreepress.net/Mideast/Israeli_Terrorists_Mysteriousl/israeli_terrorists_mysteriousl.html

Israeli Terrorists Mysteriously Released by Mexico

Why were two Israeli terrorists, foiled in an attempt to blow up Mexico’s national legislature, quietly released? This eye-opening story has not been re ported by the American media?

BattleDove

11:57 AM  
Blogger BillyThrilly7 said...

You guys are just too funny...

Still, no one has connected the dots on all of this pointless information like the last "Israeli" post.

Connect the dots. Can someone tie allllll of the information together as if they were doing a Costner JFK type summation?

Who and why and what EXACTLY occurred? The motive and the execution. The conspiracy and the players and how it alllll ties together.

You sorry people just seem to want to throw as much shiiite against the wall in the hope that something sticks.

Tie it all together. You seem to have wayyyy too much time on your hands anyway. So write up a summation using ALLLLLLL of the information that this blog has in it. Make sure not to contradict and you CAN say "well I think this wasn't important" if you want. Just make sure you say it.

Go for it. I dare you to come up with an intelligent 9/11 conspiracy summation as if you were going to sway a jury.

Good luck.

5:24 PM  
Blogger Sully said...

So many more you could have done (no links, but Google should be helpful):

That there is a four-minute discrepancy between the time Flight 93 is widely believed to have crashed and when the flight recorders ended, a discrepancy only accounted for by a mysterious whistling sound on the tape, is all the fault of equipment failure.

That much of the wreckage of that flight is spread over a five-mile area just goes to show what an incredible death struggle it was in the cockpit. (Actually, for this all see flight93crash.com).

That there is no video footage of Mohammed Atta after the widely-replayed clip in the Portland airport proves just how good al-Qaa‘idah’s training was.

That Atta, on a visit to Prague in April 2000 so urgent that he didn’t even bother to get a visa and just hung out for an hour in the airport's vast transit lounge before flying back to Munich, managing for most of that time to stay out of a sight of an extensive video surveillance system that covers almost the whole area, proves that maybe he's a vampire or something.

(Edward Jay Epstein has some good stuff at his website on this. He uses it to point to Iraq, but it's still a good question).

That none of the other passengers on the relatively lightly populated commuter flight from Portland to Boston remembered seeing Atta aboard even when shown a picture afterwards just proves how much the traumatic events of that day can cloud people's memories.

That it doesn't seem to make sense for Atta and his traveling companion to drive up to Portland and take a commuter flight down to Boston, thus exposing themselves a second time to airport security while all the other hijackers got right on their flights, shows that the terrorists were taunting us for our weak air security.

That there were two separate visa numbers issued to Atta in INS’s computer system as of 9/11 just proves that the officer issuing the second visa forgot to delete the first one.

That you have heard very little about a report two days after 9/11 about a group of Middle Eastern men who got very huffy and angry and argued in Arabic as a flight at JFK was grounded, were detained by Port Authority PD but released before the FBI could come over and talk to them and their whereabouts remain unknown even to this day just shows it wasn't really all that important.

That Ziad al-Jarrah, a flight student with mere months under his belt, managed to bank turn a 767 at breakup speeds over New York Harbor and still manage to angle the plane as it hit Tower Two so as to increase the damage in a way that accelerated the building's collapse just shows how good our flight-training is.

That the Massachusetts Air Guard pilots scrambled to New York that morning went there at a fraction of their top speed, thus ensuring that they would get there too late, is just proof that the people who live on the Connecticut coast and complain about sonic booms are rich liberal weenies who care more about quiet mornings than America's national security.

That those two pilots' testimony before the 9/11 commission was and remains classified is just an unfortunate result of our national security needs.

(Go to Slate for a great Scott Shuger article on this mere months after 9/11).

That Scott Shuger, a Navy vet and journalist who was one of the few people raising questions about this mysterious decision in the wake of 9/11, died in early 2002 in a diving accident is just one of those tragic things that happen.

That fighter jets available at Andrews Air Force Base that could easily have protected the Pentagon were never scrambled even though they had time to stop the attack once the WTC was hit just goes to show you that Jared Israel’s website is a Russian intelligence asset (Which we’re pretty sure it is from the other stuff on it, but his stuff on this one is solid).

12:45 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Go for it. I dare you to come up with an intelligent 9/11 conspiracy summation as if you were going to sway a jury."

Has Bush managed that yet?

Who said anything about conspiracy? It's obviously just a coincidence.

7:35 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No one has mentioned the interesting fact that 7 of the 911 'hijackers' pitched up in Saudi Arabia and claimed their passports were stolen---them and a few thousand other unvigilant travelers. They were not very pleased to have these accusations against them, so they spoke out. It's a small country, not too likely that the reporters were making it all up. I was there, 8-31-01 to 8-31-03, following the local news.

I also read a very tiny article at the bottom of a financial page shortly after the beginning of the attack on Afghanistan that now the dormant oil pipeline through Central Asia Project was going to be revived. hmmm....

No one has mentioned that land mines (cluster bombs) were dropped on Afghanistan or that depleted uranium was used to bomb afghanistan and Iraq and of course Bosnia, and that DU has a half-life of 4.5 billion years. It seems that someone has decided people should no longer live in those areas of the world. Why ? Perhaps they are counting on expendable slave labor to work in those hot spots in the future, extracting or guarding the oil? Or is there something else planned for these regions, maybe by people who have the wherewithal to deal with the current environmental problems?

It's also of note that s/he who controls the Middle Eastern oilfields controls Asia, and they with a permanent military presence in key areas control everyone.

As to what They hope to accomplish by all these machinations, what's wrong with world domination or the domination of space? Science got a divorce with permanent restraining order from Ethics and Morality just ages ago-----science wants to know, who cares how they find out? The Nazis didn't care, nor did the Allied forces and governments that ripped off the German research results, patents and all, and snagged all the supporting staff they could sneak home with. If Someone out there wants their country to 'conquer' space before the clever Chinese or Japanese or Indians get to it, there has to be some sort of plan.

Too many useless people cluttering up the world and using up the resources that should belong, so they say, to the people who seek higher knowledge and central planning and the ultimate-security-just-this-side-of-death is a problem that must be solved. Perhaps there is a plan afoot to solve it? 911 is not the beginning. If you take a longer look, you might not even think of it as a very notable event.

7:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As to what all that has to do with 911, some obviously might think I'm wandering very far from the topic, but the point is that a lot of people can't seem to even get used to the idea that groups of people in power would use that power against them for goals of their own, let alone have goals that were not very nice or even very human, and that seems strange to me.

This 911 thing goes on forever and people in the US, if nowhere else, keep feeling amazed and stunned. Why ? What is so strange about the idea that someone orchestrated a massive psyops campaign against the people of the country that sends those campaigns everywhere else, that some buildings got blown up on purpose, that some people have disappeared by force, that there were lies and more lies and that things don't get better? Why the surprise?

1:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You are sleeping! Non of what you have read is true. It is all a dream. Go back to sleep. Tomorrow you will wake up, feal easy and go to work and forget all about it.

1:37 PM  
Blogger BillyThrilly7 said...

I think this link will help to explain who these people are who are convinced that Bush murdered 3,000 people in a massive worldwide conspiracy...These people are...

http://theimaginaryworld.com/bslt14.jpg

7:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Interesting, but mainly because none of you seem to have connected the dots in a larger context. Can any of you accept the premise that the reason the motivation for so many "interesting coincidences" seems so convoluted may be that those events are a part of a larger picture? The incidental events which shape our national policy and our narcissistic tunnel vision with regard to events outside our borders tend to blind us to the possibility that our interests are merely part of a wider agenda.

Any reliable intelligence analyst will tell you that there is often no problem getting sufficient information. The problem lies in determining what information is safe to ignore. In compiling your list of coincidences, what little inconsistencies did you ignore in order to point your conspiracy toward Mr. Bush (or Mr. Ben Laden)? Was there anything that might indicate that both parties may be bit players in a larger production?

Be thankful that in this country suspecting the government of conspiracy is not generally treated as a capital crime. Consider, however, that those who get close enough to a larger picture might be perceived as threatening a wider agenda. Clearly, few who managed to do so would be deemed inconsequential.

This is merely speculation. Still, playing parlor games with incomplete information may be safer, in the long run.

10:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

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http://65.113.119.152/gagaboo

12:21 PM  
Blogger BillyThrilly7 said...

For further reading, I suggest...

http://helping.apa.org/

12:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Has anyone ever heard of Opperation Northwoods?If you haven't look it up.No we dont have conspiracies! that little forty year syphilis experiment against black people didn't happen. Crack cocaine just happen to find its way to amerikkkan ghettos from Mena,Arkansas all by itself.Prescott Bush wasn't doing business with Adolf Hitler.It's all just one big coincidence!Suck that Soma slaves eat a cheeseburger and relax into the Abyss!

12:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's interesting to me to read through the comments and responses to various articles suggesting 9/11 was an inside job.

The first thing I see happening is a fallacious line of reasoning, either stated outright or implicit, called "appeal to consequences of a belief." To believe- even suspect- that the government of your own country could really do something that bad- is emotionally and psychologically devestating. ("Do you realize what you're saying...?") So there is an instinctive repulsion from such ideas- it is very hard to look at all the freely available evidence with an objective eye when so much is at stake. Well, yeah, a few of those things look pretty suspicious, but come on- they wouldn't do THAT. Right? Right...?

The other common reaction I see is outright ridicule. "HAHA RIGHT AND THE FREEMASONS KILLED JFK TOO? GO PUT ON YOUR TINFOIL HATS AND MOVE TO FRANCE, YOU MORANS!"
Well, maybe I'm engaging in a bit of ridicule myself there, but you get the idea. The less research into history, politics, and current events a person has done, the more likely their response will be condescending laughter. They're not going to click your links because their minds are made up- you're a paranoid idiot, ha ha ha.

Well, if 9/11 was the psy-op to end all psy-ops, the perpetrators could have counted on 99.x% of Americans to react in one of those two ways. It really doesn't matter if the truth gets out- it already has- because they only people who will print it are the same dubious sources that have been posting their Apollo-hoax, Holocaust-denial schizophrenic ramblings for decades. The dots exist, but who's going to connect them... TIME magazine? FOX News? People simply don't want to hear it, any more than they want to hear about what's about to happen to the global oil supply.

The fact is, the good ol' US of A has had its hands dirty in all sorts of shady operations almost as far back as you care to look. Even taking into account the bias implied by the cliche that "the winners write the history books," a look through those books shows that the American government has never done things for the noble, simplistic, altruistic reasons its citizens are told at the time- and that certain portions of our war and spying departments have been guilty of terrible crimes that only fully come to light years after when most of the people implicated are already dead.
Every time except "now", whenever now is, when "we" can do no wrong. Think about it...


What do I think? I don't know if, as the numerous protest signs accuse; "Bush knew." I don't think he needed to know. But I'm pretty sure Cheney knew. I don't want to connect everything together into a huge worldwide centuries-old plot, the main failing of conspiracy theorists is when they assume that they've got it all figured out. But I also have done enough of my own research to know that we are being lied to and manipulated about something.

Obviously, our government looks bad when they lie about something, or destroy/withhold information. So I look at the most obvious lies they are telling, the things that are most likely being covered up, and think; ok, what could be the truth that would be worse for them, if known, than getting caught telling lie?

For example- WTC 7. They said it collapsed due to fire damage, which is a lie. It was obviously, unequivocally brought down by planted demolition charges, as can be seen by anyone who watches the videos.
[ Maybe not obvious to some people, but that is only because most of us have never seen a building collapse except in a controlled demolition, so it's the only thing we could expect to see. ]

Why lie about something like that? Well, if building 7 were rigged for demolition, it would have to have been done before the planes hit the first two towers. By whom? Well, by someone who knew in advance what was going on, and had access to the buildings. Someone the people who gave us the fire-collapse explanation are lying to protect. And from there...

/ starts folding my tinfoil hat

5:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The reported "suicide" and then "accidental death" of noted Harvard biophysics scientist and anthrax, Ebola, AIDS, herpes, and influenza expert, Dr. Don C. Wiley, on the Interstate 55 Hernando De Soto Bridge that links Memphis to West Memphis, Arkansas, was not a well-planned murder but just because Mr. Wiley watched the beautiful scenery instead of looking at the road.

source: http://www.rense.com/general25/thedeathofdrwiley.htm)

(I'm sure the list can be extended with at least 1.000 odd events).

Marvellous job!

11:00 AM  
Blogger leevon said...

i would suggest another resource of vital information is: www.davidicke.com and its HEADLINES page.

7:20 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That Bush & Co. carried out the "9/11 Conspiracy" more than THREE YEARS before it would have virtually guaranteed the re-election of President Bush in 2004 was really just a case of bad planning.

9:24 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Excellent compilation. I know some people that need to see this. Too many "coincidences"...

2:04 PM  
Blogger fooser77 said...

Very interesting comments here (especially the naysayers). I have a background in MI/CIT. We used a system called MOSAIC. You basically would take some data/info and paste it on a board. Sort of like putting a puzzle together. Eventually you have enough data to start "connecting the dots." The rule is that if you have at least 30% (connected), that's enough to continue further investigation. If you can get to 50% or more, then you're really hot. You can never expect to get to 100% (impossible), but generally want to shoot for 60 to 80%. Anything beyond that is gravy.

From what I have witnessed here in this piece (and have known on my own accord), at least 50% of this would stick and would warrant further investigation. I agree with many here, that this goes way beyond GWB and even Cheney et al. Read "The Grand Chessboard" for some clues. Also seriously studying Pearl Harbor, particularly Kimmel's and Theobald's own after action reports will help as well. It would also help to understand Gen. Smedley Butler, his change of heart after winning two CMHs, and what he probably witnessed FDR did in Haiti in 1915 as ASecNav.

As to the naysayers, I would simply have to say that you remind of a college buddy of mine who worked for Bob Bullock at the time and personally introduced me to GWB while gov of TX. (I voted for GWB in 2000 BTW) He is so heavily vested with the GOP, that he cannot afford to hear and act on the truth. It could very well destroy a major segment of his client base and thus possibly his business. I honestly wish that he would garner the courage of Stanley Hilton (former CoS for Bob Dole). For further thoughts on this and many other topics (like my open letter to Rush Limbaugh), please do visit my blog at http://deltasix9r.blogspot.com/

2:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

all the way from sweden i thank
you for this enlightening commentary.
god bless you!

4:06 PM  
Blogger BillyThrilly7 said...

"That Bush & Co. carried out the "9/11 Conspiracy" more than THREE YEARS before it would have virtually guaranteed the re-election of President Bush in 2004 was really just a case of bad planning."

Brilliant!! Keep believing in a non-existent conspiracy, psychos.

2:35 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To those who say that the conspiracy theory can't be true because you could never hide it completely... well, your half right.

You can't hide it... It's all out there, and right here, links and all. Small papers across the country carrying reports of odd behaviour by FBI agaents, eye witness reports of soldiers, on and on... But so what?

For most Anericans, ignorance is Bush.. i mean bliss. They don't read much, they get there news from MTV, or worse, Fox... and if they don't see it there, it just didn't happen.

It's all out... I just read this whole thing, and honestly except for operartion northwood, none of it was new. I had looked at alot of this stuff before, verified it with "reputable" news sources.. it's all out there... just few people really want to hear it. They just pretend to accept the official line because.. well it's easier than accepting responcibility... or worse facing the possible fact that there may be nothing you can do about.

Everytime i see this stuff it infuriates me, but.. i got to get on with my life.

I can only hope that one day people wake up and really vote without listening to Fox

9:05 PM  
Blogger rob said...

Are Liberals every guilty of participating in or leading a conspiracy? Or are the Conservatives the only ones that do? I'm actually looking for feedback here; because I honestly have never heard anything good about either side from their opponent. I myself am in the middle of the road, just interested to hear thoughts.

4:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Makes me sick that we have been played like this. I lost a friend on 9/11 and to think that the President had a hand in it makes me feel disconnected.

6:17 PM  
Blogger Editor said...

Good stuff. I am going to post a link to this from my Web Log.
Mike Zimmer
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Read The Progressive Mind Read The Progressive Mind

3:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

On September the 11th I was shocked and confused like every one else, and I wanted to know who the hell did this thing. Almost immediately on the news and stuff bin laden was blamed, and it turns out that crazy Muslim fanatics had hijacked the planes on his orders. I didn’t know too much about Muslims before all this but I felt after 9/11 that there must be something pretty screwed up about them in general if they believe in doing such things. That was just my knee-jerk assumption, and eventually I meet some Muslims at work. I felt stereotypical like these people are going to be crazy. But as spoke to them and asked them about 9/11, they were very open about it and told me that the Muslims who supposedly carried out the attacks weren’t true Muslims at all, and in fact it was just as outrageous to them as it was to me. And it was then that I realised that in all this 9/11 Muslim terror worldwide "al-kieda" imminent definite danger that’s gunna get us all, I had almost subconsciously been being a pre judging racist towards Muslims of which I knew nothing about before and really still nothing after 9/11.

So I thought why would the news scare us all so much about Muslim fanatics being totally evil and being every were and we will never be safe. In the full knowledge that they know a result of such a bombardment of information is going to cause at least an unfair and racist sense of distrust for Muslims in the general publics’ consensus. After all this I started to become more interested in the news and the Palestine Israeli conflict, as that was were the whole Islamic suicide bomber idea originated, and in fact the main root cause for Muslim anger, although I thought I wouldn’t be able to understand why the hijackers did what they did even if I found the reason. But I realised that Ariel Sharon the Israeli prime minister, who id never heard of or was interested in prior to, was just as evil if as the suicide bombers, which made me feel that this isn’t such a one sided conflict of defence of Israelis against the suicide bombers, but the provoking and breeding of hate from the Israeli side as they crap on the Palestinian people, and are surprised when some of them snap and join crazy Islamic militias like “Hamas” etc who feed and need this hatred to continue. But still I didn’t get why people would be angry at America so I did some research and found out that the US backs Israel 100% when its being a shit and gives it money and arms in the name of “defence”, and also that there are people in American government who have both Israeli and American passports who are extremely powerful and who preach their anti Palestinian racism to Bush etc and are listened to, which prolongs the conflict. So it was with the discovery of these types of people, the racist Israeli/American government officials, that I found the reasons why Muslims dislike America, not because of a hatred of “freedom” but because of the way America backs Israel’s nazi like government.

So now that I felt I was better informed about the whole issue of Islamic anger I could remotely understand why al-kieda did what it apparently did, although it still seemed inhuman and crazy. So I did some research on al-kieda considering how much we are all told about it on the news, it seemed important. But I was shocked to discover that al-kieda was actually paid for by the US in the 1980s when they used it to fight against the soviets in Afghanistan. The US is meant to have pumped $600 billion dollars into the conflict, and ironically built the infamous al-kieda training camps and torah bora cave complex. This made me think no way, why if something that the US/CIA created, and was a asset, turn on them with out them not knowing about it, or even having a clue. And it was then when an interest into why Muslims hate America turned into why would the US let go an asset (al-kieda) that they paid $600 billion for, and then let it attack American soil. This to me felt as shocking and wired as seeing the plains hit the towers, so I carried on researching and found out that al-kieda was apparently fighting on the side of NATO in Yugoslavia when we went to war with the Serbs as recently as 1999, where they rallied Muslim fighting support in the area to aid NATO. I began to feel like a conspiracy nut with the idea that the US was lying about not knowing anything about al-kieda’s ambitions, when they had been involved with them in 1999, and if true, then the obvious conclusion for me was that the US/CIA would have had close tabs on all people/militia assets they would have worked with and so couldn’t have lost track and must have used al-kieda on its self on 9/11.

I now think something different. I found that the idea for crashing planes into the world trade centre in particular had already been thought about by the makes of the x-files of all people. In the pilot episode of the lonegunman, which is a spin of the x-files, a plane is hijacked, by US black ops agents electrically and with a member of the lonegunman onboard, sent towards the two towers. This is being done by the black ops so that there is an excuse for war and that arms companies can profit. Luckily though the plane is counter hacked by another member of the lonegunman and the pilots regain control of the plain and narrowly miss colliding with the WTC towers in Manhattan. This was aired in March 2001, four months before the attacks. This was strange but my theory for government or inside involvement on 9/11 isn’t to do with weather Arab terrorists hijacked the plains or weather they were electronically hijacked if that’s even possible. But my theory lies on with what happened to the towers including wtc7 after the plains hit, and what happened to the world after the event.

On September the 11th my logical thoughts were like everyone else’s thrown up in the air with the whole emotional shock of the event. I wasn’t trying to examine the way in which the buildings fell or even considering that they were built to withstand direct plain crashes, and fires with out collapsing. But with a close examination into the physical dimensions of the towers and the way in which they fell, instead of buckling and swaying as you would expect with bending steel, they both imploded from top to bottom with no frictional resistance or loss of momentum that you would expect from the undamaged parts of the building resisting, slowing and even stopping it as it fell. But in fact the buildings fell at freefall speed with no resistance. This caped with the same thing occurring with the WTC7 tower of which no plain hit but fell all the same in exactly the same fashion, and was officially described as falling due to fire, which is a blatant lie as in some videos of it puffs of dust can be seen being expelled from the top of the building symmetrically downwards just before the building falls which strongly suggests controlled demolition and not fire as reason for collapse. Also though Firemen at the scene and in the buildings said they heard systematic explosions like demo charges going of before the buildings fell, and all the rubble on America biggest crime scene ever, that could prove weather or not the structures were subjected to controlled explosions, was swiftly exported and disposed of melted down with no investigation. This all adds up to events suggesting an inside job, which is so crazy to comprehend that most people will disregard it, and which is vital to the perpetrators who are controlling public opinion e.g. the bigger the lie, the bigger the amount of denial. Which in fact is a natural reaction and one that is often correct in assuming, but also in this case does the argument for government complicity on 9/11 make sense in assuming once the evidence is actually explored.

The government ultimately controls mass media and for good reason, people shouldn’t be told about everything that could possibly happen as to not induce mass panic, but on the contrary, that is more or less what we are being told anyway. So in truth terror alerts are nothing but scar mongering tools, which detracts people from general thought and inquiry on what happened on 9/11, and gets people behind their lying government without considering the lies because of overriding fear. Which allows these people in US government to implement their agenda of obtaining oil resources, providing profits for arms companies, demonising Muslims so to rally people behind certain Israeli racists in power, give the excuse for wars in the middle east, and give the western world a new “evil” enemy to concentrate on (now that the previous “evil” communist threat is gone which they also exadurated), and to impose draconian legislation like the “Patriot act” and id cards etc which allows these people in power, and with power the control to do more of what they like. All apparently in the name of the new American Century. And if that’s what the next “new” or “neo” American Century is about I think the American people and the World should know!

12:44 PM  
Blogger Bushlarden said...

www.911-thesis.blogspot.com, this is the above comment spell checked and corrected!

1:49 PM  
Blogger Editor said...

Very good summary of the key issues. I have linked to it from my site.

Regards,
Michael Zimmer
http://www.TheProgressiveMind.blogspot.com/

3:05 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Unfortunately, this is all true. There's a lot, lot more. The only place I have found it is the Indian media, who were given intelligence by the Indian Military intelligence, that included transcripts of conversations between Musharraf and Bush. Musharraf asked, and Bush accepted, over 15000 Taleban, "Al Qaeda" and Pakistani Regulars to be air-lifted out of Mazar-e-sharif. That September 11 started with a hijacking in Kathmandu was the headline merely days after the incident and it was very easy for their readers to work out the rest.

6:56 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I spoke to someone who recycled the WTC steel - he said in his entire life, he had not seen steel as good as the WTC steel. I don't believe any independent investigators were allowed access to the WTC steel after the collapse.

7:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did anyone ever the answer the person who wanted to know ?WHY? FYI Bush did not want to take over the world or line his pockets. These are mere side effects of the neocons policies to seize control of the world's remaining oil. Save my fingers and some bandwidth and do a search on Peak Oil if you need a motive spelled out in black and white. Take a look at the trends of late that are concentrating the world's wealth into the hands of the few.

The bunkers have been constructed for the rich that will allow them to survive the coming nuclear wars and or "terrorist attacks". The US and world economies are on there last leg being propt up by talking heads. The Dollar will soon be dead and treated like the worthless paper that it really is. The US economy can never recover with the so called service economy that we currently slave under. We no longer build anything here and we have now become a NET importer of food.

Wake up the world is going to hell in a handbasket and your hero George W and his ilk have no plans for a future that includes YOU...............

12:45 AM  
Anonymous hopesprings said...

This is compelling.
But mind boggling none the less.
How can this have happened, if it indeed happened as this post suggests?

And how could it still be a secret?
How could our elected officials - ALL of them - not know some of these details, and if they do, how could not even one of them make a stand against this?

How are these theories different from the "Clinton murderers" theories?

And most importantly, if this IS indeed true, how the hell does it get full exposure so that the perpetrators of this fraud are brought to justice?

For if this is true, we have two possible responses - 1)Turn a blind eye and deal with the "new world order we've got," not the "world order we'd like to have"(to paraphrase Rummy)...or 2)an all-out effort to expose and convinct the real evil doers.

The second option seems impossible at this juncture. Is it?

Anyone have any answers?

5:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

dear info-addict,
you need help. please do not deny it anymore. i mean, man, i would hate to stumble into your office without some kind of laser-eyed, smart cursor/indexer and a professional culling service and a gross^gross of evidence bags and atleast nineteen additional cortexes and a team of bloodhounds and a 4 or 5 dimensional mapping device and certificate of unflinching consciousness and a few unnamed Rx's and a flak jacket... oh, and infinity to peruse and gawk.

seriously, i recommend a 12 step program. it doesn't have to be faith-based to work but, that makes me wonder... why aren't you president?

also some links done gone and died on us. RIP.

2:24 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Excellent post. I have read as much
as I could on 911 and this just confirms
what I believe.

One other interesting fact is that the
owner of the lease of the WTC was a
guy named Silverstein. He just bought
the lease three months prior to 911 and
immediately doubled the insurance policy
on it.

Made $3.5 billion and is pending on
another $3.5 billion. He is also a
big contributor to Israeli charities.

The towers were built with asbestos
and it would have cost billions to
remove it safely.

3:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How's this for a coincidence? The "proof" of who did 9/11 is yet another lie!

4:12 AM  
Anonymous MindfucK said...

Das das alles nicht die Wahrheit ist, zumindest nicht die GANZE, haben wir ja schon immer vermutet. ABER?: Mit welchen Mitteln schafft es eine Regierung die WAHRHEIT zu vertuschen?.

Es ist beruhigend zu lesen, daß es sogar in den USA noch Leute gibt, denen man nicht so ohne Weiteres Märchen auftischen kann.

Alles in Allem: ZU VIELE ZUFÄLLE

7:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

billytrilly7 is just a stupid biblefucker

6:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists" J. Edgar Hoover

A FILM. MUST WATCH!

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2004/190704greatillusion.htm

PICTURES THAT BUSH DOESN'T WANT YOU TO SEE:

http://www.einswine.com/atrocities/iraq/

9:05 PM  
Blogger Perry Logan said...

Ah, but an equal number of facts point away from the government being behind it.

George W. Bush's lameness on 9-11, for example.

If he'd engineered it, he would not have gone into brainlock. They would have prepared something to make the President look good.

On the contrary, the Pres was completely unprepared--stunned, one might say.

You see the logic of that? To me, it kind of proves the government wasn't behind it.

Go to my website for more deconstructions of the 9-11 conspiracist paradigm. It just doesn't hold water, when you think about it.

http://perrylogan.org

12:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Perry Logan is a complete and utter idiot! Man look at this guys web page. He thinks that these people who would like to maintain gun ownership must be profacist nazi's... Nazi's were the biggest uses of gun control next to only stalin and pol pot. After they managed to disarm their people they committed the greatest genocides of all time. I could go on with for example how to make bombs out of simple house hold cleaners which can easily be more devestating than any gun but this guy isn't worth my time.

He is just begging to become a slave.

1:30 AM  
Blogger Boris Epstein said...

An excellent piece!
Thanks!
I pretty much know of all the stuff you are mentioning but seeing it all grouped nicely in one place is very helpful.
Here's my little 9/11 collection, if you are interested.

11:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great Job! I see that you mentioned the P2 Lodge, but an information is missing. Mr. Silvio Berlusconi, the current italian prime minister, was member of that Lodge (membership #1816). I think it's an amazing coincidence, don't you?

By the way, I write to you from Italy.

7:32 AM  
Blogger xtiml said...

very concise, coherent piece, as of now it is unravelling in their faces and they are getting nervous as the thin venneer that protects their deceit and treason and greed.hopefully it will not fully ripen and be foiled. so i am not giving up but but mindsetting for the worst, keep it up thisis how we can help foil it.

5:12 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Anonymous who said that it was natural for the towers to collapse should answer the question as to why the Empire State Bldg didn't collapse when a B26 slammed into it just after W.W.II.
Notwithstanding that, he made no answers to the dozens of other incriminating facts pointing to the Bush-leadership's collusion in 911.

9:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Zelikow moves in very conservative old-school Virginia circles.

8:55 PM  
Anonymous Kraig said...

To Perry Logan:

Here's an answer to what you think points "away" from the Lush administration on 9/11, the fact that Bush "looked stupified" or "went into brainlock" or however you put it when told of the second plane hitting the WTC; you don't realize what you're overlooking in order to try to make that point, and your question is by far not the BIG question about Bush in Booker Elem. School. Consider:
When Bush was told by a whispering Andy Card that a second plane struck the WTC then everyone concerned knew it could be no accident, so if the "official" story were true then Bush's Secret Service chief would have had to assume that Bush was a possible target and the Secret Svc. [who have the "last word" in matters pertaining to the pResident's security] would've right then spirited him away to a safer, less-publicized location. But they didn't. Instead, Bush was allowed to sit there and be read to by schoolkids for several minutes, then he hobnobbed with teachers and posed for photos with them, and THEN Bush carried out his pre-scheduled press conference plugging the 'No Child Left Behind' act, not leaving that elementary school for almost an hour. This can only mean: Bush and his Secret Service chief had to have known Bush was not even a possible target on 9/11; the ONLY WAY they could have known that is if Bush knew the 9/11 plans beforehand, ergo 9/11 was an inside job. Though Bush's actions on the morning of 9/11 are well-documented, including a press conference (!) nobody in the mainstream media dares to mention what Bush's tarrying in that elementary school actually MEANS in terms of evidence. A couple good threads exploring the 9/11 inside job are on the BradBlog, especially one called "9/11 Physical Evidence Contradicts Official Story". Definately worth reading.

11:16 PM  
Anonymous Kraig said...

The link to that thread on BradBlog is:

http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00001827.htm

11:21 PM  
Blogger Kyle said...

It really is truly amazing that intelligent people (such as all those reading and commenting at this blog) would ever come close to concluding that Bush and our government planned the Sept. 11th attacks.

Are you serious? PLEASE think about it. How many of you have complained about the failures of FEMA with Katrina relief? And many other failures of the US govt. Do you really think the behemoth fed govt could organize such an attack and at the same time hide all of the planning? AND, get everyone involved to buy into?

Come on people, use your brains for once and stop making everything a political issue. American people died. The govt has worked to improve security and saves lives. The govt will make more changes in the aftermath of Katrina.

The govt is not some huge conspiratory trying to kill all of its citizens so the Bush family can live on the exploits. That is just absurd.

12:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, Katrina. Firemen commented on how FEMA stationed them -- playing cards and drinking beer instead of saving people -- then, assigned to pass out flyers.

Volunteer sportsmen 1000 of them, brought a flotilla of 500 boats to help save people, but Dept. of Wildlife and Fisheries (under FEMA) turned them back at gunpoint. The one person that was allowed thru with a smaller boat found 200 DWF officers standing around.

Coast Guard offered 1000 gallons of diesel to Broussard, FEMA blocked.
Walmart offered some 1000 gal. of fresh water, FEMA blocked.
FEMA cut village emergency lines.
Large ship in Gulf with 600 beds ordered to leave.
FEMA and Nat. Guard ordered people into Stadium at gunpoint, despite w no food or water delivered for over 5 days.

If, in it's alleged incompetence, FEMA had simply taken a trip to Las Vegas for a week, it appears that New Orleans would have gotten MORE volunteer help -- initially. After sheer chaos took over, then FEMA started reacting.

If you are planning a 1000 person keg party (conditions permitting) do you prepare in advance by getting equipment and supplies and beer and booking a band? Or do you wait until just 24 hours before to put everything together .. just in case it doesn't come off?

TOP republicans, military, and rescue workers were OUTRAGED. Even FOX NEWS was outraged, until they went back on full time spin.

WHEN will people learn enough to add it all up.

PS. Think about it: Kerry was on Senate Foreign Intelligence. Think he didn't know about everything?
Think he didn't know about Porter Goss, Bob Graham, and Bob Tenet meeting with Mamoud Ahmed (terrorist funder) in Pakistan one day before he wired $100k to Atta?

John Kerry HAD to be intimate, as well as Clinton.

5:41 AM  
Anonymous skyep said...

great, only that I began reading 50 articles in the middle of 50 other articles and I forgot what I was reading! maybe you should make all your blog a link...

4:14 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

feel sorry about katrina. The Super power government ignorance.

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6:13 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Seeing all that stuff compiled, it sure makes a lot of "evidences", it sure makes you wonder...In my opinion, some of these facts are maybe not entirely verified, one should always pay attention to possible hearsay. I mean there IS a lot of conspiracy related stuff on the internet isn't it (anybody read "Foucault's pendulum" by Unberto Eco?) Anyway, i do believe we are being lied to on that matter. The thing is, as somebody said, that it is somehow hard to believe that such a huge thing could have been planned, designed, executed, without anybody giving out the info. No leaks, nothing...? No smart journalist uncovering the truth? No subordinate stepping in to say "hey i think i have done something weird"? Come on, the gov is a huge bloated thing fully loaded with uncompetent people or people that would be so happy to have something to say...Well, i don't know...I just can't fully believe that story either way

11:53 AM  
Anonymous Revolt you losers! said...

This is some hilarious shit. Let's not let the fact that several of these "facts" are in direct contraciction of each other.

With that said.

Do something about it! You bunch of pussies! If you believe that this country is doing such things, RISE THE HELL UP! I'm sick of reading conspiracy theories on the internet. Make a freaking move. Aren't any of you willing to die for your beliefs? That would add an extra line to this bullcrap. Hundreds who have stood up have been killed. F'n hilarious.

12:16 PM  
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Do you guys think Bin Laden is holed up on a Texas Ranch? I mean, he has admitted to masterminding the 9/11 attacks? Just curious you bunch of fucking idiots.

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Anonymous 24 Elsinores said...

To all who doubt that that elements in the US government could have planned and executed the 9/11 trajedy, let me ask you this.

Imagine that 9/11 didn't happen here, but in the Soviet Union, say 1985 for the sake of argument.

The Soviet government claimed the attacks were perpetrated by terrorists hijacking the planes. But the same peculiarities exist (ie: demolition appearance of the buildings, put options, air defense failures, etc etc).

Would it be easier for you to believe that the Soviet government planned and executed the attacks?

I bet it would be for you. And that would prove my theory about the people that refuse to consider the possibility that their government committed mass murder and that is this:

It isn't the "conspiracy" scenario in and of itself that is the problem for these people, it's the fact that the scenario implicates THEIR government.

We are all indoctrinated from an early age about the virtues of American society and the Founding Father's vision for a free country. It's all wonderful. But somehow we think that the original intent of the Founders has been exactly followed up to this day. We think that somehow our country is immune from evil people taking power and committing attrocities. No, only those OTHER countries do that.

I understand the power of that denial. I understand that. Believe me, when I started asking the questions about the official story I wasn't pleased with where the evidence was taking me. Believe me, it would be so much easier to just believe the official story and call it a day.

That is the intellectually lazy approach in my opinion. The 3 branches of government and the separation of powers works, but ultimately the power is supposed to rest with us, the public. We need to be the ultimate watchdogs on ALL of government to make sure that tyranny doesn't become entrenched in our government.

Trust me, nobody here wants this to be true. But wanting something not to be true doesn't make it false. Gandhi said as much "An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody will see it"

And finally Henry David Thoreau "Every ambitious would-be empire, clarions it abroad that she is conquering the world to bring it peace, security and freedom, and it is sacrificing her sons only for the most noble and humanitarian purposes. That is a lie; and it is an ancient lie, yet generations still rise and believe it."

5:35 PM  
Anonymous Clepto_The_Sociopath said...

Heres one for ya.... On September 10, 2001, FEMA came out with a press release stating that there were 3 events that could cripple our country. One, a terrorist attack in New York. One occurred the next day. Two, a massive hurricane hitting New Orleans. Bingo. And three, a major earthquake on the west coast.

12:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have to say, that I think it is extremely naïve to write off all of the incidents described in this article as coincidental. This is not to say that all of these incidents are true either, the real truth probably lies somewhere in the middle as always. It's our job as responsibile people to always question everything, and never accept anything as true without impartial fact to back it.

2:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow. Well written.

11:26 PM  
Anonymous juvenile felon said...

Throughout the posts and responses, a good compilation of liberal and conservative views on many conspiracy theories, bin laden, bush, israel, cheney, all and more. i dont know what i believe, and suspect those that know of the full truth and plan, assuming there ever was such a powerful individual, has long been dead. i know i cannot believe that four random individuals who did not know eachother, highjacked planes at similar times with similar intent on the same day. and if each highjacking was not a lonegunman event, then there is a conspiracy. i believe that many innocent, or as close to innocent as possible in america can be, people died on 9/11/05. i believe it is wrong that i saw even one example of graffiti on the rubble of the trade towers and pray there will be no more degradation of this graveyard. the only graffiti i saw was for 9/11Truth.org . politicians lie, cheat, kill and steal, they are in the end human. 1984 has come and past long before the year on the christian calendar. and just to piss off the conservatives who found it in their hearts to release a child from drug punishment, after he became an adult, the government played a part in lincoln's assassination, and still refuses to tell us.
just because your paranoid
dont mean theyre not watching you

11:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

GREAT initial post, humorous and informative, and awesome conversations so far. I, like many others here and across the world, was shocked on 9/11. This event is what opened my eyes to the bigger picture after much research and THINKING on all the aspects of the event and those preceeding and following it. The resultant revelations were even more shocking and insidious than the intial event that triggered my research.

I'm not trying to be insulting, but there's no other way to say it: Any half-witted dolt, including many of the idiot trolls on here, and generally anyone capable of a stream of conscious thought should EASILY UNDERSTAND, upon independent research and THINKING FOR THEMSELVES, instead of being spoon-fed only select shit from the media, that there is in fact a conspiracy and web of lies hiding the truth about 9/11 and everything related to it.
On that note, to the IDIOTS who keep repeating shit like "how can you say Bush/the government/America/etc. planned and enacted a terrorist act on our own citizens? idiots, bla bla etc." Not once have I seen anyone here say anything like this. If you research the subject yourself, there are MANY independent and reliable sources to validate mostly anything said on here, and not a single theory points to Bush or our government being the sole orchestrater of the 9/11 attacks. At the very least, we DID have advance knowledge of the attacks and they could have been prevented, but Bush and his idiot megalomaniac cronies allowed it to happen.
I'm sorry to say, but if you don't believe this, you are a moron. Before anyone else responds with any kind of rebuttal stating otherwise, spend some time researching, from credible sources, EVERY ASPECT of the topic:
* Israeli spies, history of Israel & Palestine, the Mossad
* CIA, Operation Northwoods, staged terrorists attacks in general
* The *5 FRAMES* of Pentagon surveilance footage released showing the "plane" hitting the Pentagon (this is the ONLY video EVER released showing the incident, a measly 5 frames, out of all the cameras on Pentagon grounds and MULTIPLE cameras on surrounding buildings and gas stations that captured the incident, but were immediately confiscated by the FBI.)
* NORAD's failure to do anything on 9/11. Research NORAD, it's capabilities, and how it operates.
* The Twin Towers. Their structural integrity per their designer. Expert opinions from expert demolitionists on the collapse of the towers.

The list goes on and on and on.
Don't say "give me websites to all this information" -- research it yourself, work for the truth and get used to not being spoon-fed bullshit on the nightly news and eating it up like it's the best thing since sliced bread.

If you don't see there is more to what Bush/govt./media shows you, you are a complete mongoloid. I hate to be offensive, but it's true. On the other hand, the truth is extraordinarily heavy to comprehend, so some may not want to know. They say ignorance is bliss.

Moving along, some have said "what do we do about it?" or like the dicktard above, to paraphrase "ok pussies do something you fucking pussies I want to see you die." The only thing that can be done with any hope of changing anything is complete revolution and most likely ultimately civil war. This would be foolhearty until the vast majority of the population was aware of the crazy bastards in control and what they are in fact doing and planning for the future. Strength in numbers, but before that, opposition would be crushed. I think democratic/diplomatic efforts are out of the question entirely. Honestly I think we're fucked regardless of course of action, if any. The power has been there too long, and there's too many pre-emptive and retaliatory options they could exploit.

This is way longer than it should be but I had to say something. I probably sound like an ultra-paranoid and/or delusional loony, but that is the furthest thing from the truth. I'm just trying to get a point across: you can see far greater things with an open mind than you can with open eyes.
Educate yourselves and THINK.

Let the flaming begin! :D

-insidious

6:17 PM  
Anonymous LanceThruster said...

Great job on gathering so many disparate bits of information. To help put it all in context, I'll share with you something an attorney for the Cristic Institute said at a lecture on Iran-Contra. He said that in uncovering bits and pieces of what was actually going on which they were about 90% correct on, they would be ridiculed and dismissed for the 10% that was not correct. As can be seen with Plamegate, it is very difficult to ferret out information when there exists such formidable obstacles to getting at the truth. In cataloging all the lies and covers stories involved with the crimes of Iran-Contra, he concluded with, "I'm sorry to have to disillusion you, but would you rather be *illusioned*?"

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11:30 PM  
Anonymous simon said...

Hi folks, this is Simon from Norway.

It's sad to se this great blog (I've read it ALL...)degenerating with links to penis enlargements and the like. Could be something for Billy Thrilly though,as he seems to have trouble with power. People like Billy perpetuate the impotence of the common man. He then gets offended when treated badly by some bloggers, yet he calls all conspiracy- believers 'psychos'.

There is nothing psychotic about questioning your otherwise great and beautiful country on the current leadership in command. I do, like most people around the world - believe me - think many members of the B. administration are, if not psychos, at best viciously evil individuals.

Isn't it formidably naive to discard any theory about a 9/11 inside job ("Americans would never kill 3000 fellow Americans!")when this administration is capable of waging senseless wars that kill 100.000 of foreign kids, women and soldiers + thousands of young Americans day after day after day?

Another theme of the conspiracy dismissers is that, oh Lord, how could so many Americans involved in such a plot be silenced? I'll take a wild guess on how many key people it takes to carry through these attacks : 19?...

Consiracy skeptics also baulk on the fact that someone, sooner or later, would shake their conscience or do some cock-up and reveal the truth. Well, there are scores of people trying to speak out with very little media coverage, and at least one very huge cock-up from a possible insider: have you folks SEEN the video footage of Larry Silverstein soon after sept11, speaking about the collapse of WTC7? (He says they decided, in accord with the fire department to 'pull' the 47-story building, which collapsed like a doll house at 5:30 PM with two minor fires in separate stories - no plane ever grazed it).
If anyone knows if, and how, Larry got out of that and whether he has retracted this foolish statement, please let me know.

Finally, a thought to a conspiracy dismisser who wrote, in substance : "George Bush is doing well, how many terrorist attacks in America since Sept11? Zero !"

This is NOT something skeptics should bring up : if they believe the official line that NORAD, FBI and the lot were caught off guard through an infortunate series of mishaps, fooled by a formidable Al-Quaeda organization, they simply cannot believe that all this has been solved overnight.

Unless they still believe in Santa Claus.

2:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Excellent compilation! I loved it! If anyone's interested check out other "coincidences" this time from pre-9/11 films in the article "Hollywood 9/11: 9/11 synchronicities in films" at www.vyzygoth.com/photo.html or to read the article go to www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Hollywood_911.htm

11:03 PM  
Anonymous Fonty said...

This blog appears to have been taken over by spammers but no matter, I feel like talking so I shall.

On the matter of 'joining the dots' I have been thinking on this for several days, since seeing "Truth and Lies of 9/11" by Michael Ruppert.

I have never been a conspiracy theorist. I've preferred to think along the lines of Humanity being overall too stupid to control it's own destiny, and most of the available evidence does seem to support that thought.

However the way the logic in my mind works the conclusions that come from being exposed to this information are undeniable.

I think we are insects, to use an analogy, like the Enterprise crew were when first encountered by the Borg. Not important, considered only for what we represent, what we produce for them. And certainly not considered any sort of threat. When I say we, the evidence suggests also that even Presidents are insects too. Allowed to go their own way.. so long as they don't get in the way or.. unless they are needed as tools.

Kennedy would be an example of one that got in the way. Bush as a tool for the Conspirators. It isn't difficult to come to this conclusion, Kennedy was assassinated, supposedly the most important and powerful man in America.. Some might even say one of the most loved presidents, at least in hindsight. And yet we are lied to obviously about how it happened. He was shot in full view of the American public, the film is there for all to see.. the shot did not come from the side or the rear as the official report says.. but from the front.

The fact that the Nation accepts that Lie is besides my point, which is that the Lie was made and continues to be defended. Why? If it was for any other reason than to protect the killer or conspirators then why hide the truth?

And Bush is a tool I say. He was brought to power to do a job. The election was even fixed to ensure he got there. Did he do that? Can anyone even suggest that this man could do that? Is he smart enough to orchestrate that or anything else that has happened since? No, he has friends. None of this shit could have happened without friends. And who could have done a better job than him of being the front man for this War we are all entangled in?

He is a tool, but one in the know certainly. As has been said already he stayed safe at that school until all four flights had been accounted for, because he knew of them all beforehand.

And he knew he was going to war. He relished in that. Even with no thought of any second 'Pearl Harbour' theories that was obvious from the start. He was never a good enough actor to hide his joy at sending his nation to war... The perfect tool.

But for who? Who are the Conspirators? Well if the answers to that are on this page I have missed them. To draw final conclusions would be arrogant in thinking we have all the information. But I will add my theory from what I've seen and read these few days.

The Conspirators are Capitalists. Not just the Rich, but the really dominant players in Commercialism today. Before the fall of the Iron Curtain they were concerned with a long battle between Capitalism and Communism. Since then Capitalism has no rival but has shown signs of collapsing in it's own right.

America is the one super power. The Capital of Capitalism. What the evidence of Coincidence tells us America has done to keep their budget from collapsing is horrific. Even before 9/11.

Before stumbling across this stuff I thought George Bush was nasty enough, just being opportunistic after the tragedy. Now, whatever the final reason turns out to be, I have little doubt that he was part of the plan all along.

And again if not, why all the secrets? We are supposed to suspect the muslims, we are supposed to spy on our neighbours.. trust no-one. What about you Mr. Bush, why the fuck should we trust you? You haven't been open about your dealings with the Bin Laden family. You haven't explained why you told ivestigating authorities to 'lay off' them when you first came to office. Yes the coincidences don't seem to have an end.

Capitalism itself may have a limited lifespan left. Maybe They don't have something to replace it with yet, maybe they just want to enjoy what life they can squeeze out of it while they can.

Now if faced with the end of Capitalism and the chaos that would follow, what President, what congressman, would count 3000 lives as an obstacle to stopping that happen? We all seem to talk about Bush in belittling terms, saying he is greedy, lining his pockets.

It's not for the gain, it's not for the profit of those pipelines that this was done. Not for the gain of money as such. But to avoid a global economic collapse should it not happen. Capitalism is no more viable than Communism was, it's just a tool of these people to keep their power now.

These people don't care whether us insects live or die. They are already rich. They already have power. They don't need to kill us to get more of either. They are doing it so they don't lose it.

Others may help them to gain some small share of what they have. Some may help them out of fear no to. Most wouldn't have a clue. It's no reason to call them stupid. We certainly weren't born knowing this stuff, and it takes a lot of unlearning to accept it as true.

I don't know whether it is true either, it's just where the 'joining of the dots' has taken me in my head. So it's what I think today, and knowledge that I have to live with along with the fact that there seems no way to deal with this.

Ho hum, maybe someone will disprove it tomorrow and all will be well in the world again.

10:57 PM  
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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not that i have any proof and/or justification, but just a nifty feeling of "cool" while sitting on the beach..but, as far as there being a conspiracy: definately yes. Is the US govt part of it: yes...but ultimately, don't you have to ask who is really pull the strings. someone raised a point: in any crime investigation you have to ask about the why and the motive...well, in this case, it is no different. maybe, we really don't want to know the why?

when you really think about it, it seems that the "bad guys" are all predominantly muslim participants while all the good guys are all part of some sort of predominantly "christian" nation. Now this is possibly a stretch, but bear with me...wether this cover-up stretches over a few years or not is moot. for all of us Bush-bashers, we would have to think that he isn't smart enough on his own....i would tend to believe that he is part of something bigger and badder.. when you thin about it, the only entity with enough, clout, history, and influence, through all of history to orchestrate all the cooperation through all the respective parties is the Vatican...who else in modern history has been the most loved, revered, respected, feared, and accessible leader than Pope John Paul? There are so many biblical references, Nostroadamus predictionsm, etc that point to current history...is there any chance that the catholic church, influencing over a tenth of the worlds population are trying to disprove or change our predicted history? it is widely predicted that he was the 2nd to last pope to rule before the end of days countdown began and may people believe that 9/11 and the resulting actions are the beginning of end....so it is so hard to believe the oldest, most widespread and influential clandestine organisation isn't trying to alter its and the worlds destiny. Think Crusades, Martin Luther, John Calvin, etc...not like they havnt' been willing to sacrifice a few to "save" the many..

Again, no proof, no links, no anything than just some wild thinking and and some research into some prophetic writings regarding the current world state of affairs.

its obvious that something is being hidden and covered up, but, the question remains as to why and by whom, and of course, do we really want to know- anything, for sure?

5:32 AM  
Blogger Lopakhin said...

Of course, I believe all these conspiracy theories, because, as everyone knows, no radical Muslims ever do crazy things in the name of their religion. For instance, the Fatwah supposedly issued against British author Salman Rushdie was actually a publicity stunt, issued by Mr Rushdie himself dressed up as an Iranian ayatollah, to drum up sales for his faltering new novel. And Dutch film-maker Theo Van Gogh ritually disembowelled himself in the streets of Amsterdam before slitting his own throat. This may seem like quite an achievement, but remember that Theo was an indirect descendant of an artist who once cut off his own ear, so it runs in the family.

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Blogger RONIN said...

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7:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank goodness it's all over now. I mean since Alex Jones was on CNN tonight and all, and as he said, "The neocons have lost their credibility in the eyes of the american people."

So obviously we can all relax, because as Alex Jones said, "We hold the majority view now."

Just because Hitler's NAZIS were not the majority, does not mean that the NEOCONS can still succeed.

I mean really. Anyone who thinks the NWO still represents a threat is just crazy!

It's over and we won! Yaaaaaaaaaaay!

Then again, since more people are beginning to wake up, really they have to do something drastic to maintain their power.

Thank GOD the Patriot Act didn't become law, and the military and POLICE are really all on our side, because otherwise we would be screwed.

Lucky thing huh?

9:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why is it that those who cling to the "official" story also tend to wrongly assume that those who DON'T also think that terrorism in general doesn't exist, in other words, operate in simplistic "black and white" mode?

Heck, I would have thought that by Watergate, or at least Iran/Contra, most intelligent people would have realized that there's a lot more shades of grey than that.

But I guess trying to make that point to a "black and whiter" automatically makes me a bad guy.

Go figure.

11:01 PM  
Anonymous printable said...

Some responders have said they would like this great post by Jeff Wells to be printable. I agree and so I downloaded it to my harddrive, did some slight editing and added footnotes. But in order to be able to post it here (so you can swipe it and Ctrl-c it to bring it into your clipboard) I've changed all the left angle brackets to left square brackets and the right angle brackets to right square brackets. You'll just need to replace those (no big deal) once you have it on your PC (and then give it a file name ending in '.html'). Note: It would be nice if all the links were still working which I doubt they are. But anyway, here it is:

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[div style="clear: both;"][/div][em]I posted an earlier version of this last week at [/em][a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2160541"][em]Democratic Underground[/em][/a][sup][font size="1"]1[/font][/sup][em]. I've added a number of more entries, and links for all.[/em][br][br][em]Happy coincidenting![/em][br][br]That [a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,5673,1019246,00.html"]governments[/a][sup][font size="1"]2[/font][/sup] have permitted [a href="http://www.redvoltaire.net/article694.html"]terrorist acts[/a][sup][font size="1"]3[/font][/sup] against their [a href="http://avantgo.thetimes.co.uk/services/avantgo/article/0,,1150429,00.html"]own people[/a][sup][font size="1"]4[/font][/sup], and have even themselves been [a href="http://english.terror99.ru/explosions/"]perpetrators[/a][sup][font size="1"]5[/font][/sup] in order to find strategic advantage is quite likely true, but this is the United States we're talking about.[br][br]That
intelligence agencies, financiers, terrorists and narco-criminals have
a long history together is well established, but the [a href="http://sunday.ninemsn.com.au/sunday/investigative/case1.asp"]Nugan Hand Bank[/a][sup][font size="1"]6[/font][/sup], [a href="http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1992_rpt/bcci/11intel.htm"]BCCI[/a][sup][font size="1"]7[/font][/sup], [a href="http://www.deepblacklies.co.uk/operation_gladio.htm"]Banco Ambrosiano[/a][sup][font size="1"]8[/font][/sup], the [a href="http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Propaganda_Due"]P2 Lodge[/a][sup][font size="1"]9[/font][/sup], the [a href="http://www.jfklancer.com/cuba/castroplots.html"]CIA/Mafia[/a][sup][font size="1"]10[/font][/sup] anti-Castro/Kennedy alliance, [a href="http://www.madcowprod.com/mc5012004.html"]Iran/Contra[/a][sup][font size="1"]11[/font][/sup] and the rest were a long time ago, so there’s no need to rehash [a href="http://www.deepblacklies.co.uk/the_money_fountain.htm"]all that[/a][sup][font size="1"]12[/font][/sup]. That was then, [a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/KUP311A.html"]this is now[/a][sup][font size="1"]13[/font][/sup]![br][br]That Jonathan Bush’s [a href="http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Riggs_Bank_N.A."]Riggs Bank[/a][sup][font size="1"]14[/font][/sup]

has been found guilty of laundering terrorist funds and fined a
US-record $25 million must embarrass his nephew George, but it's still
no justification for leaping to paranoid conclusions.[br][br]That George Bush's brother Marvin sat on the board of the Kuwaiti-owned company which provided [a href="http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0204-06.htm"]electronic security[/a][sup][font size="1"]15[/font][/sup]
to the World Trade Centre, Dulles Airport and United Airlines means
nothing more than you must admit those Bush boys have done alright for
themselves.[br][br]That George Bush found success as a businessman only
after the investment of Osama’s brother Salem and reputed al Qaeda
financier Khalid bin Mahfouz is just one of those things - one of those
[a href="http://www.americanfreepress.net/10_07_01/Bush___Bin_Laden_-_George_W__B/bush___bin_laden_-_george_w__b.html"][em]crazy[/em][/a][sup][font size="1"]16[/font][/sup] things.[br][br]That Osama bin Laden is known to have been an asset of US foreign policy in no way implies he [a href="http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/01-11-04/discussion.cgi.28.html"]still is[/a][sup][font size="1"]17[/font][/sup].[br][br]That al Qaeda was active in the Balkan conflict, fighting on the same side as the US as recently as 1999, while the US [a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/VIN204A.html"]protected[/a][sup][font size="1"]18[/font][/sup] its cells, is merely one of history's little [a href="http://globalresearch.ca/articles/MNA110A.html"]aberrations[/a][sup][font size="1"]19[/font][/sup].[br][br]The claims of [a href="http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=104&row=1"]Michael Springman[/a][sup][font size="1"]20[/font][/sup], State Department veteran of the Jeddah visa bureau, that the CIA ran the office and [a href="http://sandiego.indymedia.org/en/2002/02/521.shtml"]issued visas[/a][sup][font size="1"]21[/font][/sup]

to al Qaeda members so they could receive training in the United
States, sound like the sour grapes of someone who was fired for making
such wild accusations.[br][br]That one of George Bush's first acts as President, in [a href="http://www.complete911timeline.org/"]January 2001[/a][sup][font size="1"]22[/font][/sup],
was to end the two-year deployment of attack submarines which were
positioned within striking distance of al Qaeda's Afghanistan camps,
even as the group's guilt for the Cole bombing was established, proves
that a transition from one administration to the next is never an easy
task.[br][br]That so many [a href="http://www.newamericancentury.org/"]influential figures[/a][sup][font size="1"]23[/font][/sup] in and close to the [a href="http://www.crisispapers.org/Editorials/PNAC-Primer.htm"]Bush White House[/a][sup][font size="1"]24[/font][/sup] had expressed, just a year before the attacks, the need for a [a href="http://pilger.carlton.com/print/124759"]"new Pearl Harbor"[/a][sup][font size="1"]25[/font][/sup] before their [a href="http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf"]militarist ambitions[/a][sup][font size="1"]26[/font][/sup] could be fulfilled, demonstrates nothing more than the accidental virtue of being in the [a href="http://www.pnac.info/"]right place[/a][sup][font size="1"]27[/font][/sup] at the right time.[br][br]That the company [a href="http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2002/021208-secure01.htm"]PTECH[/a][sup][font size="1"]28[/font][/sup],
founded by a Saudi financier placed on America’s Terrorist Watch List
in October 2001, had access to the FAA’s entire computer system for two
years before the 9/11 attack, means he must not have been such a threat
after all.[br][br]That whistleblower [a href="http://www.madcowprod.com/mc4512004.html"]Indira Singh[/a][sup][font size="1"]29[/font][/sup]

was told to keep her mouth shut and forget what she learned when she
took her concerns about PTECH to her employers and federal authorities,
suggests she lacked the big picture. And that the Chief Auditor for JP
Morgan Chase told Singh repeatedly, as she answered questions about who
supplied her with what information, that "that person should be
killed," suggests he should take an anger management seminar.[br][br]That on [a href="http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&timeperiod=2001%20-%200:05am%2011%20Sept%202001"]May 8, 2001[/a][sup][font size="1"]30[/font][/sup],
Dick Cheney took upon himself the job of co-ordinating a response to
domestic terror attacks even as he was crafting the administration’s
energy policy which bore [a href="http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4458.htm"]implications[/a][sup][font size="1"]31[/font][/sup]
for America's military, circumventing the established infrastructure
and ignoring the recommendations of the Hart-Rudman report, merely
shows the VP to be someone who finds it hard to delegate.[br][br]That the standing order which covered the [a href="http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/d302515_021897/d302515p.pdf"]shooting down[/a][sup][font size="1"]32[/font][/sup]
of hijacked aircraft was altered on June 1, 2001, taking discretion
away from field commanders and placing it solely in the hands of the
Secretary of Defense, is simply poor planning and unfortunate timing.
Fortunately the error has been corrected, as the order was rescinded
shortly after 9/11.[br][br]That in the weeks before 9/11, FBI agent [a href="http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101020603/memo.html"]Colleen Rowley[/a][sup][font size="1"]33[/font][/sup] found her investigation of Zacarias Moussaoui so [a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/MOO208B.html"]perversely thwarted[/a][sup][font size="1"]34[/font][/sup] that her colleagues joked that bin Laden had a mole at the FBI, proves the stress-relieving virtue of humour in the workplace.[br][br]That [a href="http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/02/43525.shtml"]Dave Frasca[/a][sup][font size="1"]35[/font][/sup]

of the FBI’s Radical Fundamentalist Unit received a promotion after
quashing multiple, urgent requests for investigations into al Qaeda
assets training at flight schools in the summer of 2001 does appear on
the surface odd, but undoubtedly there's a good reason for it, quite
possibly classified.[br][br]That FBI informant [a href="http://innworldreport.net/video/2004-07-02/glass.html"]Randy Glass[/a][sup][font size="1"]36[/font][/sup],
working an undercover sting, was told by Pakistani intelligence
operatives that the World Trade Center towers were coming down, and
that his [a href="http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/randyglass.html"]repeated warnings[/a][sup][font size="1"]37[/font][/sup]
which continued until weeks before the attacks, including the mention
of planes used as weapons, were ignored by federal authorities, is
simply one of the many "What Ifs" of that tragic day.[br][br]That over the summer of 2001 Washington received [a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1375723"]many urgent, senior-level warnings[/a][sup][font size="1"]38[/font][/sup]
from foreign intelligence agencies and governments - including those of
Germany, France, Great Britain, Russia, Egypt, Israel, Morocco,
Afghanistan and others - of impending terror attacks using hijacked
aircraft and did nothing, demonstrates the pressing need for a new
Intelligence Czar.[br][br]That John Ashcroft [a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main303601.shtml"]stopped flying commercial aircraft[/a][sup][font size="1"]39[/font][/sup]
in July 2001 on account of security considerations had nothing to do
with warnings regarding September 11, because he said so to the 9/11
Commission.[br][br]That former lead counsel for the House [a href="http://infowars.com/transcript_schippers.html"]David Schippers[/a][sup][font size="1"]40[/font][/sup]

says he’d taken to John Ashcroft’s office specific warnings he’d
learned from FBI agents in New York of an impending attack – even
naming the proposed dates, names of the hijackers and the targets – and
that the investigations had been stymied and the agents threatened,
proves nothing but David Schipper’s pathetic need for attention.[br][br]That [a href="http://www.globalresearch.org/view_article.php?aid=670727528"]Garth Nicolson[/a][sup][font size="1"]41[/font][/sup]
received two warnings from contacts in the intelligence community and
one from a North African head of state, which included specific site,
date and source of the attacks, and passed the information to the
Defense Department and the National Security Council to evidently no
effect, clearly amounts to nothing, since virtually nobody has ever
heard of him.[br][br]That in the months prior to September 11, self-described US intelligence operative [a href="http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/index-vreeland.html"]Delmart Vreeland[/a][sup][font size="1"]42[/font][/sup]
sought, from a Toronto jail cell, to get US and Canadian authorities to
heed his warning of his accidental discovery of impending catastrophic
attacks is worthless, since Vreeland was a [a href="http://www.guerrillanews.com/wildcard/vreeland_one"]dubious character[/a][sup][font size="1"]43[/font][/sup], notwithstanding the fact that many of his claims have since been [a href="http://www.thestar.ca/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&call_pageid=971358637177&c=Article&cid=1070579408676%20%20&tacodalogin=no"]proven true[/a][sup][font size="1"]44[/font][/sup].[br][br]That FBI Special Investigator [a href="http://www.judicialwatch.org/printer_2469.shtml"]Robert Wright[/a][sup][font size="1"]45[/font][/sup]
claims that agents assigned to intelligence operations actually protect
terrorists from investigation and prosecution, that the FBI shut down
his probe into terrorist training camps, and that he was removed from a
money-laundering case that had a direct link to terrorism, sounds like
yet more [a href="http://www.laweekly.com/ink/02/37/news-crogan.php"]sour grapes[/a][sup][font size="1"]46[/font][/sup] from a disgruntled employee.[br][br]That George Bush had plans to invade Afghanistan on his desk [a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-03-23-war-analysis_x.htm"]before 9/11[/a][sup][font size="1"]47[/font][/sup] demonstrates only the value of being [a href="http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/nov2001/afgh-n20.shtml"]prepared[/a][sup][font size="1"]48[/font][/sup].[br][br]The suggestion that securing a [a href="http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/oilwar1.html"]pipeline[/a][sup][font size="1"]49[/font][/sup]

across Afghanistan figured into the White House’s calculations is as
ludicrous as the assertion that oil played a part in determining war in
Iraq.[br][br]That Afghanistan is once again the world’s principal [a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/MCS306A.html"]heroin producer[/a][sup][font size="1"]50[/font][/sup] is an unfortunate reality, but to claim the CIA is still [a href="http://www.lycaeum.org/drugwar/DARKALLIANCE/ciaheron.html"]actively involved[/a][sup][font size="1"]51[/font][/sup] in the narcotics trade is to presume [a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO404A.html"]bad faith[/a][sup][font size="1"]52[/font][/sup] on the part of the agency.[br][br][a href="http://www.billstclair.com/911timeline/main/mahmoodahmed.html"]Mahmood Ahmed[/a][sup][font size="1"]53[/font][/sup], chief of Pakistan’s ISI, must not have [a href="http://www1.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/articleshow?catkey=-2128936835&art_id=1454238160&sType=1"]authorized an al Qaeda payment of $100,000 to Mohammed Atta[/a][sup][font size="1"]54[/font][/sup]
days before the attacks, and was not meeting with senior Washington
officials over the week of 9/11, because I didn’t read anything about
him in the official report.[br][br]That Porter Goss [a href="http://www.melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2004/08/76366.php"]met with Ahmed[/a][sup][font size="1"]55[/font][/sup]

the morning of September 11 in his capacity as Chairman of the House
Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence has no bearing whatsoever
upon his recent selection by the White House to head the Central
Intelligence Agency.[br][br]That Goss's congressional seat encompasses the 9/11 hijackers' [a href="http://portergoss.house.gov/"]Florida base[/a][sup][font size="1"]56[/font][/sup] of operation, including their flight schools, is precisely the kind of meaningless factoid a conspiracy theorist [em]would[/em] bring up.[br][br]It's
true that George HW Bush and Dick Cheney spent the evening of September
10 alone in the Oval Office, but what's wrong with old colleagues
catching up? And it's true that George HW Bush and Shafig bin Laden,
Osama's brother, spent the morning of September 11 [a href="http://observer.guardian.co.uk/magazine/story/0,11913,738196,00.html"]together[/a][sup][font size="1"]57[/font][/sup] at a board meeting of the Carlyle Group, but the bin Ladens [em]are[/em] a big family.[br][br]That [a href="http://xymphora.blogspot.com/2004/07/fema-in-big-apple.html"]FEMA arrived[/a][sup][font size="1"]58[/font][/sup]

in New York on Sept 10 to prepare for a scheduled biowarfare drill, and
had a triage centre ready to go that was larger and better equipped
than the one that was lost in the collapse of WTC 7, was a lucky twist
of fate.[br][br][a href="http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/article/id2672/pg1/"]Newsweek’s report[/a][sup][font size="1"]59[/font][/sup]
that senior Pentagon officials cancelled flights on Sept 10 for the
following day on account of security concerns is only newsworthy
because of what happened the following morning.[br][br]That George Bush's [a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1819543"]telephone logs[/a][sup][font size="1"]60[/font][/sup] for September 11 do not exist should surprise no one, given the confusion of the day.[br][br]That Mohamed Atta [a href="http://www.911independentcommission.org/airports31804.html"]attended[/a][sup][font size="1"]61[/font][/sup]
the International Officer's School at Maxwell Air Force Base, that
Abdulaziz Alomari attended Brooks Air Force Base Aerospace Medical
School, that Saeed Alghamdi attended the Defense Language Institute in
Monterey merely shows it [em]is[/em] a [a href="http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/jun2002/offi-j21.shtml"]small world[/a][sup][font size="1"]62[/font][/sup], after all.[br][br]That [a href="http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mcherald/3406502.htm"]Lt Col Steve Butler[/a][sup][font size="1"]63[/font][/sup], Vice Chancellor for student affairs of the Defense Language Institute during Alghamdi's terms, was [a href="http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/06.06E.butler.bush.htm"]disciplined[/a][sup][font size="1"]64[/font][/sup],
removed from his post and threatened with court martial when he wrote
"Bush knew of the impending attacks on America. He did nothing to warn
the American people because he needed this war on terrorism. What
is...contemptible is the President of the United States not telling the
American people what he knows for political gain," is the least that
should have happened for such disrespect shown his Commander in Chief.[br][br]That [a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1433886"]Mohammed Atta[/a][sup][font size="1"]65[/font][/sup]

dressed like a Mafioso, had a stripper girlfriend, smuggled drugs, was
already a licensed pilot when he entered the US, enjoyed pork chops,
drank to excess and did cocaine, was closer to Europeans than Arabs in
Florida, and included the names of defence contractors on his email
list, proves how dangerous the radical fundamentalist Muslim can be.[br][br]That 43 lbs of heroin was found on board the Lear Jet owned by [a href="http://newsmine.org/archive/9-11/questions/flightschool/hilliard-bankrolled-911-flight-school-and-rudi-dekkers.txt"]Wally Hilliard[/a][sup][font size="1"]66[/font][/sup],
the owner of Atta’s flight school, just three weeks after Atta enrolled
– the biggest seizure ever in Central Florida – was just [a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1294206"]bad luck[/a][sup][font size="1"]67[/font][/sup]. That Hilliard was not charged shows how specious the claims for conspiracy truly are.[br][br]That [a href="http://www.madcowprod.com/books.html"]Hilliard’s plane[/a][sup][font size="1"]68[/font][/sup]
had made 30-round trips to Venezuela with the same passengers who
always paid cash, that the plane had been supplied by a pair of drug
smugglers who had also outfitted CIA drug runner [a href="http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ciadrugs/W_plane.html"]Barry Seal[/a][sup][font size="1"]69[/font][/sup], and that 9/11 commissioner Richard ben-Veniste had been [a href="http://sanderhicks.com/benveniste.html"]Seal’s attorney[/a][sup][font size="1"]70[/font][/sup] before Seal’s [a href="http://www.wethepeople.la/seal2.htm"]murder[/a][sup][font size="1"]71[/font][/sup], shows nothing but the lengths to which conspiracists will go to draw [a href="http://www.voxfux.com/features/bush_crime_family.html"]sinister conclusions[/a][sup][font size="1"]72[/font][/sup].[br][br][a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,34910,00.html"]Reports[/a][sup][font size="1"]73[/font][/sup] of [a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x509119"]insider trading[/a][sup][font size="1"]74[/font][/sup] on 9/11 are false, because the [a href="http://www.sec.gov/news/press/2004-98.htm"]SEC[/a][sup][font size="1"]75[/font][/sup] investigated and found only respectable investors who will remain nameless involved, and no terrorists, so the windfall [a href="http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/12_06_01_death_profits_pt1.html"]profit-taking[/a][sup][font size="1"]76[/font][/sup] was merely, as ever, coincidental.[br][br]That heightened security for the World Trade Centre was lifted [a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x10267#10267"]immediately prior[/a][sup][font size="1"]77[/font][/sup] to the attacks illustrates that it always happens when you least expect it.[br][br]That Hani Hanjour, the pilot of Flight 77, was [a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=976740&mesg_id=976740"]so incompetent[/a][sup][font size="1"]78[/font][/sup]

he could not fly a Cessna in August, but in September managed to fly a
767 at excessive speed into a spiraling, 270-degree descent and a level
impact of the first floor of the Pentagon, on the only side that was
virtually empty and had been hardened to withstand a terrorist attack,
merely demonstrates that people can do almost anything once they set
their minds to it.[br][br]That [a href="http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/flightdata.html"]none[/a][sup][font size="1"]79[/font][/sup]
of the flight data recorders were said to be recoverable even though
they were located in the tail sections, and that until 9/11, no
solid-state recorder in a catastrophic crash had been unrecoverable,
shows how there's a first time for everything.[br][br]That Mohammed Atta left a uniform, a will, a Koran, his driver's license and a [a href="http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/WTC_MAIN010912.html"]"how to fly planes"[/a][sup][font size="1"]80[/font][/sup] video in his rental car at the airport means he had other things on his mind.[br][br]The mention of Israelis with links to military-intelligence having been [a href="http://abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/DailyNews/2020_whitevan_020621.html"]arrested[/a][sup][font size="1"]81[/font][/sup] on Sept 11 videotaping and celebrating the attacks, of an Israeli [a href="http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2002/05/07/students/index_np.html"]espionage ring[/a][sup][font size="1"]82[/font][/sup] surveiling DEA and defense installations and [a href="http://iraq-info.1accesshost.com/schrom.html"]trailing[/a][sup][font size="1"]83[/font][/sup]

the hijackers, and of a warning of impending attacks delivered to the
Israeli company Odigo two hours before the first plane hit, does not
deserve a response. That the stories also appeared in publications such
as [a href="http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=77744&contrassID=/has%5C"]Ha'aretz[/a][sup][font size="1"]84[/font][/sup] and [a href="http://www.forward.com/issues/2002/02.03.15/news2.html"]Forward[/a][sup][font size="1"]85[/font][/sup] is a sad display of self-hatred among certain elements of the Israeli media.[br][br]That multiple military wargames and simulations were underway the morning of 9/11 – one [a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1298401"]simulating the crash of a plane[/a][sup][font size="1"]86[/font][/sup] into a building; another, a [a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1694495"]live-fly simulation of multiple hijackings[/a][sup][font size="1"]87[/font][/sup]
– and took many interceptors away from the eastern seaboard and
confused field commanders as to which was a real hijacked aircraft and
which was a hoax, was a bizarre coincidence, but no less a coincidence.[br][br]That the National Military Command Center ops director asked a [a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x631352"]rookie substitute[/a][sup][font size="1"]88[/font][/sup] to stand his watch at 8:30 am on Sept. 11 is nothing more than bad timing.[br][br]That a [a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=535331&mesg_id=535331"]recording[/a][sup][font size="1"]89[/font][/sup]

made Sept 11 of air traffic controllers’ describing what they had
witnessed, was destroyed by an FAA official who crushed it in his hand,
cut the tape into little pieces and dropped them in different trash
cans around the building, is something no doubt that overzealous
official wishes he could undo.[br][br]That the FBI knew [a href="http://www.observer.com/pages/story.asp?ID=7816"]precisely which[/a][sup][font size="1"]90[/font][/sup]
Florida flight schools to descend upon hours after the attacks should
make every American feel safer knowing their federal agents are on the
ball.[br][br]That a [a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1433886"]former flight school executive[/a][sup][font size="1"]91[/font][/sup]
believes the hijackers were "double agents," and says about Atta and
associates, "Early on I gleaned that these guys had government
protection. They were let into this country for a specific purpose,"
and was visited by the FBI just four hours after the attacks to
intimidate him into silence, proves he's an unreliable witness, for the
simple reason there [em]is no conspiracy[/em].[br][br]That [a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1328855"]Jeb Bush was on board[/a][sup][font size="1"]92[/font][/sup]
an aircraft that removed flight school records to Washington in the
middle of the night on Sept 12th demonstrates how seriously the
governor takes the issue of national security.[br][br]To insinuate evil motive from the [a href="http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=September_11%2C_2001:_Evacuation_of_Saudi_Nationals"]mercy flights[/a][sup][font size="1"]93[/font][/sup] of bin Laden family members and Saudi royals after 9/11 shows the sickness of the conspiratorial mindset.[br][br][a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/story/0,1361,584444,00.html"]Le Figaro’s report[/a][sup][font size="1"]94[/font][/sup]

in October 2001, known to have originated with French intelligence,
that the CIA met Osama bin Laden in a Dubai hospital in July 2001,
proves again the perfidy of the French.[br][br]That [a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1719399&mesg_id=1719399"]the tape[/a][sup][font size="1"]95[/font][/sup]
in which bin Laden claims responsibility for the attacks was released
by the State Department after having been found providentially by US
forces in Afghanistan, and depicts a fattened Osama with a broader face
and a flatter nose, proves Osama, and Osama alone, masterminded 9/11.[br][br]That at the battle of Tora Bora, where bin Laden was surrounded on [em]three[/em] sides, Special Forces received no order to advance and capture him and were forced to stand and watch as [a href="http://www.fayettevillenc.com/story-archive.php?Template=terrorism&Story=37935"]two Russian-made helicopters[/a][sup][font size="1"]96[/font][/sup]
flew into the area where bin Laden was believed hiding, loaded up
passengers and returned to Pakistan, demonstrates how confusing the
modern battlefield can be.[br][br]That upon returning to Fort Bragg
from Tora Bora, the same Special Operations troops who had been stood
down from capturing bin Laden, suffered a unusual spree of [a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1536576#1536694"]murder/suicides[/a][sup][font size="1"]97[/font][/sup], is nothing more than a series of senseless tragedies.[br][br]Reports that bin Laden is currently receiving [a href="http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-789042,curpg-1.cms"]periodic dialysis treatment[/a][sup][font size="1"]98[/font][/sup] in a Pakistani medical hospital are simply too incredible to be true.[br][br]That the White House went on [a href="http://www.judicialwatch.org/2953.shtml"]Cipro September 11[/a][sup][font size="1"]99[/font][/sup] shows the foresightedness of America’s emergency response.[br][br]That the anthrax was mailed to perceived liberal media and the [a href="http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/jan2002/anth-j23.shtml"]Democratic leadership[/a][sup][font size="1"]100[/font][/sup] demonstrates only the perversity of the terrorist psyche.[br][br]That the [a href="http://www.oilempire.us/anthrax.html"]anthrax attacks[/a][sup][font size="1"]101[/font][/sup] appeared to silence opponents of the [a href="http://www.freefromterror.net/other_articles/gov_anthrax.html"]Patriot Act[/a][sup][font size="1"]102[/font][/sup] shows only that appearances can be deceiving.[br][br]That the Ames-strain anthrax was found to have originated at [a href="http://www.glennbeck.com/news/03202002.shtml"]Fort Detrick[/a][sup][font size="1"]103[/font][/sup],
and was beyond the capability of all but a few labs to refine,
underscores the importance of allowing the investigation to continue
without the distraction of [a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/madsenanthrax.html"]absurd conspiracy theories[/a][sup][font size="1"]104[/font][/sup].[br][br]That Republican guru Grover Norquist has been found to have [a href="http://www.citizensoldier.org/norquist.html"]aided financiers[/a][sup][font size="1"]105[/font][/sup]

and supporters of Islamic terror to gain access to the Bush White
House, and is a founder of the Islamic Institute, which the Treasury
Department believes to be a source of funding for al Qaeda, suggests
Norquist is at worst, naive, and at best, needs a wider circle of
friends.[br][br]That the Department of Justice consistently chooses to see accused 9/11 plotters go free rather than permit the [a href="http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0206-04.htm"]courtroom testimony of al Qaeda leaders[/a][sup][font size="1"]106[/font][/sup] in American custody looks bad, but only because we don't have all the facts.[br][br]That the White House [a href="http://edition.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/01/29/inv.terror.probe/"]balked[/a][sup][font size="1"]107[/font][/sup] at any inquiry into the events of 9/11, then [a href="http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,437267,00.html"]starved it of funds[/a][sup][font size="1"]108[/font][/sup] and [a href="http://home.earthlink.net/%7Eimfalse/9-11_commission_says.html"]stonewalled[/a][sup][font size="1"]109[/font][/sup] it, was unfortunate, but since the commission didn't find for conspiracy it's all a non issue anyway.[br][br]That
the 9/11 commission's executive director and "gatekeeper," Philip
Zelikow, was so closely involved in the events under investigation that
he [a href="http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20040115-024012-7011r"]testified[/a][sup][font size="1"]110[/font][/sup] before the the commission as part of the inquiry, shows only an [em]apparent[/em] conflict of interest.[br][br]That commission chair [a]Thomas Kean[/a] is, like George Bush, a Texas oil executive who had business dealings with reputed al Qaeda financier [a href="http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Thomas_H._Kean"]Khalid bin Mafouz[/a][sup][font size="1"]111[/font][/sup], suggests Texas is smaller than they say it is.[br][br]That
co-chair Lee Hamilton has a history as a Bush family "fixer," including
clearing Bush Sr of the claims arising from the 1980 [a href="http://www.btinternet.com/%7Enlpwessex/Documents/hamiltonoctsurprise.htm"]"October Surprise"[/a][sup][font size="1"]112[/font][/sup], is of no concern, since only conspiracists believe there was [a href="http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/xfile.html"]such a thing[/a][sup][font size="1"]113[/font][/sup] as an October Surprise.[br][br]That FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds accuses the agency of [a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=442067&mesg_id=442067"]intentionally fudging specific pre-9/11 warnings and harboring a foreign espionage ring in its translation department[/a][sup][font size="1"]114[/font][/sup], and claims she witnessed evidence of the [a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x655980"]semi-official[/a][sup][font size="1"]115[/font][/sup] infrastructure of [a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1555133&mesg_id=1555133"]money-laundering[/a][sup][font size="1"]116[/font][/sup] and [a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=610235&mesg_id=610235"]narcotics trade[/a][sup][font size="1"]117[/font][/sup]

behind the attacks, is of no account, since John Ashcroft has gagged
her with the rare invocation of "State Secrets Privilege," and
retroactively classified her public testimony. For the sake of national
security, let us speak no more of her.[br][br]That, when commenting on Edmond's case, [a href="http://www.breakfornews.com/Sibel-Edmonds1.htm"]Daniel Ellsberg[/a][sup][font size="1"]118[/font][/sup]
remarked that Ashcroft could go to prison for his part in a cover-up,
suggests Ellsberg is giving comfort to the terrorists, and could, if he
doesn't wise up, find himself declared an [a href="http://www.claremont.org/projects/jurisprudence/hamdi_ussc.html"]enemy combatant[/a][sup][font size="1"]119[/font][/sup].[br][br][em]I
could go on. And on and on. But I trust you get the point. Which is
simply this: there are no secrets, an American government would never
accept civilian casualties for geostrategic gain, and conspiracies are
for the weak-minded and gullible. [/em][br][div style="clear: both; padding-bottom: 0.25em;"][/div]
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