Sunday, August 15, 2004

The Coincidence Theorist's Guide to 9/11

I posted an earlier version of this last week at Democratic Underground. I've added a number of more entries, and links for all.

Happy coincidenting!

That governments have permitted terrorist acts against their own people, and have even themselves been perpetrators in order to find strategic advantage is quite likely true, but this is the United States we're talking about.

That intelligence agencies, financiers, terrorists and narco-criminals have a long history together is well established, but the Nugan Hand Bank, BCCI, Banco Ambrosiano, the P2 Lodge, the CIA/Mafia anti-Castro/Kennedy alliance, Iran/Contra and the rest were a long time ago, so there’s no need to rehash all that. That was then, this is now!

That Jonathan Bush’s Riggs Bank has been found guilty of laundering terrorist funds and fined a US-record $25 million must embarrass his nephew George, but it's still no justification for leaping to paranoid conclusions.

That George Bush's brother Marvin sat on the board of the Kuwaiti-owned company which provided electronic security to the World Trade Centre, Dulles Airport and United Airlines means nothing more than you must admit those Bush boys have done alright for themselves.

That George Bush found success as a businessman only after the investment of Osama’s brother Salem and reputed al Qaeda financier Khalid bin Mahfouz is just one of those things - one of those crazy things.

That Osama bin Laden is known to have been an asset of US foreign policy in no way implies he still is.

That al Qaeda was active in the Balkan conflict, fighting on the same side as the US as recently as 1999, while the US protected its cells, is merely one of history's little aberrations.

The claims of Michael Springman, State Department veteran of the Jeddah visa bureau, that the CIA ran the office and issued visas to al Qaeda members so they could receive training in the United States, sound like the sour grapes of someone who was fired for making such wild accusations.

That one of George Bush's first acts as President, in January 2001, was to end the two-year deployment of attack submarines which were positioned within striking distance of al Qaeda's Afghanistan camps, even as the group's guilt for the Cole bombing was established, proves that a transition from one administration to the next is never an easy task.

That so many influential figures in and close to the Bush White House had expressed, just a year before the attacks, the need for a "new Pearl Harbor" before their militarist ambitions could be fulfilled, demonstrates nothing more than the accidental virtue of being in the right place at the right time.

That the company PTECH, founded by a Saudi financier placed on America’s Terrorist Watch List in October 2001, had access to the FAA’s entire computer system for two years before the 9/11 attack, means he must not have been such a threat after all.

That whistleblower Indira Singh was told to keep her mouth shut and forget what she learned when she took her concerns about PTECH to her employers and federal authorities, suggests she lacked the big picture. And that the Chief Auditor for JP Morgan Chase told Singh repeatedly, as she answered questions about who supplied her with what information, that "that person should be killed," suggests he should take an anger management seminar.

That on May 8, 2001, Dick Cheney took upon himself the job of co-ordinating a response to domestic terror attacks even as he was crafting the administration’s energy policy which bore implications for America's military, circumventing the established infrastructure and ignoring the recommendations of the Hart-Rudman report, merely shows the VP to be someone who finds it hard to delegate.

That the standing order which covered the shooting down of hijacked aircraft was altered on June 1, 2001, taking discretion away from field commanders and placing it solely in the hands of the Secretary of Defense, is simply poor planning and unfortunate timing. Fortunately the error has been corrected, as the order was rescinded shortly after 9/11.

That in the weeks before 9/11, FBI agent Colleen Rowley found her investigation of Zacarias Moussaoui so perversely thwarted that her colleagues joked that bin Laden had a mole at the FBI, proves the stress-relieving virtue of humour in the workplace.

That Dave Frasca of the FBI’s Radical Fundamentalist Unit received a promotion after quashing multiple, urgent requests for investigations into al Qaeda assets training at flight schools in the summer of 2001 does appear on the surface odd, but undoubtedly there's a good reason for it, quite possibly classified.

That FBI informant Randy Glass, working an undercover sting, was told by Pakistani intelligence operatives that the World Trade Center towers were coming down, and that his repeated warnings which continued until weeks before the attacks, including the mention of planes used as weapons, were ignored by federal authorities, is simply one of the many "What Ifs" of that tragic day.

That over the summer of 2001 Washington received many urgent, senior-level warnings from foreign intelligence agencies and governments - including those of Germany, France, Great Britain, Russia, Egypt, Israel, Morocco, Afghanistan and others - of impending terror attacks using hijacked aircraft and did nothing, demonstrates the pressing need for a new Intelligence Czar.

That John Ashcroft stopped flying commercial aircraft in July 2001 on account of security considerations had nothing to do with warnings regarding September 11, because he said so to the 9/11 Commission.

That former lead counsel for the House David Schippers says he’d taken to John Ashcroft’s office specific warnings he’d learned from FBI agents in New York of an impending attack – even naming the proposed dates, names of the hijackers and the targets – and that the investigations had been stymied and the agents threatened, proves nothing but David Schipper’s pathetic need for attention.

That Garth Nicolson received two warnings from contacts in the intelligence community and one from a North African head of state, which included specific site, date and source of the attacks, and passed the information to the Defense Department and the National Security Council to evidently no effect, clearly amounts to nothing, since virtually nobody has ever heard of him.

That in the months prior to September 11, self-described US intelligence operative Delmart Vreeland sought, from a Toronto jail cell, to get US and Canadian authorities to heed his warning of his accidental discovery of impending catastrophic attacks is worthless, since Vreeland was a dubious character, notwithstanding the fact that many of his claims have since been proven true.

That FBI Special Investigator Robert Wright claims that agents assigned to intelligence operations actually protect terrorists from investigation and prosecution, that the FBI shut down his probe into terrorist training camps, and that he was removed from a money-laundering case that had a direct link to terrorism, sounds like yet more sour grapes from a disgruntled employee.

That George Bush had plans to invade Afghanistan on his desk before 9/11 demonstrates only the value of being prepared.

The suggestion that securing a pipeline across Afghanistan figured into the White House’s calculations is as ludicrous as the assertion that oil played a part in determining war in Iraq.

That Afghanistan is once again the world’s principal heroin producer is an unfortunate reality, but to claim the CIA is still actively involved in the narcotics trade is to presume bad faith on the part of the agency.

Mahmood Ahmed, chief of Pakistan’s ISI, must not have authorized an al Qaeda payment of $100,000 to Mohammed Atta days before the attacks, and was not meeting with senior Washington officials over the week of 9/11, because I didn’t read anything about him in the official report.

That Porter Goss met with Ahmed the morning of September 11 in his capacity as Chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence has no bearing whatsoever upon his recent selection by the White House to head the Central Intelligence Agency.

That Goss's congressional seat encompasses the 9/11 hijackers' Florida base of operation, including their flight schools, is precisely the kind of meaningless factoid a conspiracy theorist would bring up.

It's true that George HW Bush and Dick Cheney spent the evening of September 10 alone in the Oval Office, but what's wrong with old colleagues catching up? And it's true that George HW Bush and Shafig bin Laden, Osama's brother, spent the morning of September 11 together at a board meeting of the Carlyle Group, but the bin Ladens are a big family.

That FEMA arrived in New York on Sept 10 to prepare for a scheduled biowarfare drill, and had a triage centre ready to go that was larger and better equipped than the one that was lost in the collapse of WTC 7, was a lucky twist of fate.

Newsweek’s report that senior Pentagon officials cancelled flights on Sept 10 for the following day on account of security concerns is only newsworthy because of what happened the following morning.

That George Bush's telephone logs for September 11 do not exist should surprise no one, given the confusion of the day.

That Mohamed Atta attended the International Officer's School at Maxwell Air Force Base, that Abdulaziz Alomari attended Brooks Air Force Base Aerospace Medical School, that Saeed Alghamdi attended the Defense Language Institute in Monterey merely shows it is a small world, after all.

That Lt Col Steve Butler, Vice Chancellor for student affairs of the Defense Language Institute during Alghamdi's terms, was disciplined, removed from his post and threatened with court martial when he wrote "Bush knew of the impending attacks on America. He did nothing to warn the American people because he needed this war on terrorism. What is...contemptible is the President of the United States not telling the American people what he knows for political gain," is the least that should have happened for such disrespect shown his Commander in Chief.

That Mohammed Atta dressed like a Mafioso, had a stripper girlfriend, smuggled drugs, was already a licensed pilot when he entered the US, enjoyed pork chops, drank to excess and did cocaine, was closer to Europeans than Arabs in Florida, and included the names of defence contractors on his email list, proves how dangerous the radical fundamentalist Muslim can be.

That 43 lbs of heroin was found on board the Lear Jet owned by Wally Hilliard, the owner of Atta’s flight school, just three weeks after Atta enrolled – the biggest seizure ever in Central Florida – was just bad luck. That Hilliard was not charged shows how specious the claims for conspiracy truly are.

That Hilliard’s plane had made 30-round trips to Venezuela with the same passengers who always paid cash, that the plane had been supplied by a pair of drug smugglers who had also outfitted CIA drug runner Barry Seal, and that 9/11 commissioner Richard ben-Veniste had been Seal’s attorney before Seal’s murder, shows nothing but the lengths to which conspiracists will go to draw sinister conclusions.

Reports of insider trading on 9/11 are false, because the SEC investigated and found only respectable investors who will remain nameless involved, and no terrorists, so the windfall profit-taking was merely, as ever, coincidental.

That heightened security for the World Trade Centre was lifted immediately prior to the attacks illustrates that it always happens when you least expect it.

That Hani Hanjour, the pilot of Flight 77, was so incompetent he could not fly a Cessna in August, but in September managed to fly a 767 at excessive speed into a spiraling, 270-degree descent and a level impact of the first floor of the Pentagon, on the only side that was virtually empty and had been hardened to withstand a terrorist attack, merely demonstrates that people can do almost anything once they set their minds to it.

That none of the flight data recorders were said to be recoverable even though they were located in the tail sections, and that until 9/11, no solid-state recorder in a catastrophic crash had been unrecoverable, shows how there's a first time for everything.

That Mohammed Atta left a uniform, a will, a Koran, his driver's license and a "how to fly planes" video in his rental car at the airport means he had other things on his mind.

The mention of Israelis with links to military-intelligence having been arrested on Sept 11 videotaping and celebrating the attacks, of an Israeli espionage ring surveiling DEA and defense installations and trailing the hijackers, and of a warning of impending attacks delivered to the Israeli company Odigo two hours before the first plane hit, does not deserve a response. That the stories also appeared in publications such as Ha'aretz and Forward is a sad display of self-hatred among certain elements of the Israeli media.

That multiple military wargames and simulations were underway the morning of 9/11 – one simulating the crash of a plane into a building; another, a live-fly simulation of multiple hijackings – and took many interceptors away from the eastern seaboard and confused field commanders as to which was a real hijacked aircraft and which was a hoax, was a bizarre coincidence, but no less a coincidence.

That the National Military Command Center ops director asked a rookie substitute to stand his watch at 8:30 am on Sept. 11 is nothing more than bad timing.

That a recording made Sept 11 of air traffic controllers’ describing what they had witnessed, was destroyed by an FAA official who crushed it in his hand, cut the tape into little pieces and dropped them in different trash cans around the building, is something no doubt that overzealous official wishes he could undo.

That the FBI knew precisely which Florida flight schools to descend upon hours after the attacks should make every American feel safer knowing their federal agents are on the ball.

That a former flight school executive believes the hijackers were "double agents," and says about Atta and associates, "Early on I gleaned that these guys had government protection. They were let into this country for a specific purpose," and was visited by the FBI just four hours after the attacks to intimidate him into silence, proves he's an unreliable witness, for the simple reason there is no conspiracy.

That Jeb Bush was on board an aircraft that removed flight school records to Washington in the middle of the night on Sept 12th demonstrates how seriously the governor takes the issue of national security.

To insinuate evil motive from the mercy flights of bin Laden family members and Saudi royals after 9/11 shows the sickness of the conspiratorial mindset.

Le Figaro’s report in October 2001, known to have originated with French intelligence, that the CIA met Osama bin Laden in a Dubai hospital in July 2001, proves again the perfidy of the French.

That the tape in which bin Laden claims responsibility for the attacks was released by the State Department after having been found providentially by US forces in Afghanistan, and depicts a fattened Osama with a broader face and a flatter nose, proves Osama, and Osama alone, masterminded 9/11.

That at the battle of Tora Bora, where bin Laden was surrounded on three sides, Special Forces received no order to advance and capture him and were forced to stand and watch as two Russian-made helicopters flew into the area where bin Laden was believed hiding, loaded up passengers and returned to Pakistan, demonstrates how confusing the modern battlefield can be.

That upon returning to Fort Bragg from Tora Bora, the same Special Operations troops who had been stood down from capturing bin Laden, suffered a unusual spree of murder/suicides, is nothing more than a series of senseless tragedies.

Reports that bin Laden is currently receiving periodic dialysis treatment in a Pakistani medical hospital are simply too incredible to be true.

That the White House went on Cipro September 11 shows the foresightedness of America’s emergency response.

That the anthrax was mailed to perceived liberal media and the Democratic leadership demonstrates only the perversity of the terrorist psyche.

That the anthrax attacks appeared to silence opponents of the Patriot Act shows only that appearances can be deceiving.

That the Ames-strain anthrax was found to have originated at Fort Detrick, and was beyond the capability of all but a few labs to refine, underscores the importance of allowing the investigation to continue without the distraction of absurd conspiracy theories.

That Republican guru Grover Norquist has been found to have aided financiers and supporters of Islamic terror to gain access to the Bush White House, and is a founder of the Islamic Institute, which the Treasury Department believes to be a source of funding for al Qaeda, suggests Norquist is at worst, naive, and at best, needs a wider circle of friends.

That the Department of Justice consistently chooses to see accused 9/11 plotters go free rather than permit the courtroom testimony of al Qaeda leaders in American custody looks bad, but only because we don't have all the facts.

That the White House balked at any inquiry into the events of 9/11, then starved it of funds and stonewalled it, was unfortunate, but since the commission didn't find for conspiracy it's all a non issue anyway.

That the 9/11 commission's executive director and "gatekeeper," Philip Zelikow, was so closely involved in the events under investigation that he testified before the the commission as part of the inquiry, shows only an apparent conflict of interest.

That commission chair Thomas Kean is, like George Bush, a Texas oil executive who had business dealings with reputed al Qaeda financier Khalid bin Mafouz, suggests Texas is smaller than they say it is.

That co-chair Lee Hamilton has a history as a Bush family "fixer," including clearing Bush Sr of the claims arising from the 1980 "October Surprise", is of no concern, since only conspiracists believe there was such a thing as an October Surprise.

That FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds accuses the agency of intentionally fudging specific pre-9/11 warnings and harboring a foreign espionage ring in its translation department, and claims she witnessed evidence of the semi-official infrastructure of money-laundering and narcotics trade behind the attacks, is of no account, since John Ashcroft has gagged her with the rare invocation of "State Secrets Privilege," and retroactively classified her public testimony. For the sake of national security, let us speak no more of her.

That, when commenting on Edmond's case, Daniel Ellsberg remarked that Ashcroft could go to prison for his part in a cover-up, suggests Ellsberg is giving comfort to the terrorists, and could, if he doesn't wise up, find himself declared an enemy combatant.

I could go on. And on and on. But I trust you get the point. Which is simply this: there are no secrets, an American government would never accept civilian casualties for geostrategic gain, and conspiracies are for the weak-minded and gullible.

231 Comments:

Blogger Kim said...

Nice job!

11:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello! Old and In the Way Here....I want to tell you that this is a fantastic compilation and I'll do my damndest to get this read far and wide.

This is a very powerful indictment on all of the dots we've been reading on the DU over the past 3 years....it makes the 9/11 Commission's "findings" a real travesty of justice.

11:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yo, MinstrelBoy! I'm definitely one of your fans. I, too, will be circulating this information. GREAT STUFF. Thanks for all the hard work putting it together.
Beam_Me_Up

2:32 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks Minstralboy very well done,the tragic, bitter truth is best swollowed with sugary humour.

3:18 AM  
Blogger TeresaInPa said...

Brilliant and thank you. It all makes my head spin, but I am happys someone has what it takes to put this all together and keep talking about it.

6:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

May the clouds of the Blessed One's spiritual powers,
His unrivalled knowledge and boundless compassion,
Pour down upon your house like a monsoon rain,
Nurturing the roots of your wholesome qualities.

May the Dhamma as doctrine, path, and fruition,
As Nibbana the Deathless, the state beyond sorrow,
Infuse your home with the glory of truth
And make it an oasis for thirsty seekers.

May the wavelike blessings of the Sangha-jewel,
From Sariputta and Moggala to the present-day Order,
Dispel all threats from the forces of darkness
And envelop your home with the aura of purity.

May the three discourses of protective might--
The Metta, Ratana, and Mangala Suttas--
Resound like a chorus of celestial angels,
Bringing you success in all you undertake.

May the Dhamma-protectors in all ten directions,
The gods in the heavens and the nagas of the earth,
Ward off all dangers, misfortunes, and hazards,
And ensure you live happily in your new abode.

May you dwell at home like monks in the forest,
Delighting in meditation, devoted to good works.
May your home shine brightly like a heavenly palace,
A beacon of Dhamma giving solace to all beings.

seems

9:49 AM  
Blogger BykerSink said...

Quite the most brilliant piece of blog work I have read. Brilliant stuff.

11:56 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Who are you gonna believe? Me or your lyin' eyes" --Richard Pryor

12:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here is another one for you, and its a big one !!!!
http://www.unabombers.com/
20 years of very public lying while the government randomly murders its citizens to support anti terrorist budgets !!!

1:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nice Work here -- I'll help to spread it around. ---- Jolly Roger

1:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jesus F***ing Christ!! This nation is doomed without a revolution.

1:07 PM  
Blogger Fintan Dunne said...

Strike two! This is even better than your "Mohammed Atta
Loved Pork Chops" article. Please get in touch. We already interviewed Sibel Edmonds, Dan Ellsberg and Daniel Hopsicker on these issues. Would love to do an interview with you. Regards Fintan (at) BreakForNews.com

2:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is a great compilation. If only the people who need to read this WOULD read this, then I would be at least somewhat comforted. Unfortunately, this kind of thing will never go anywhere I fear.

I think we DO need some sort of revolution.

p.s. some of the links don't work. I'm already convinced, but if you want to get others to believe, the links should be fixed.

---Alex

2:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tremendous work! Thanks for your efforts.

3:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

your "new Pearl Harbor" link is no good

4:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nice compendium of reasons to doubt the official story. I always find your posts to DU thought-provoking. Glad to see you adding your voice to blogsphere.

One note the link you have for the Riggs Bank is 404. I suggest that you replace it with this entry:

http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Riggs_Bank_N.A.

Cheers, Al

4:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I feel much better now that this site has dispelled all those crazy conspiracy theories! I was actually starting to wonder if Bush was complicit in the attacks but now I can vote for Bush with a clear conscience! After all, either you're for Bush/Cheny, or you're a terrorist who hates America!

4:30 PM  
Blogger john b said...

This is excellent, disturbing and scary - particularly the bits that link to credible news sources (only about half of them, but that's more than enough).

I've got some more thoughts here, in the event that anyone wants to read them.

5:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In response to
Sunday, August 15, 2004


The Coincidence Theorist's Guide to 9/11
This was left out: http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=1927
The Mastermind Behind 911?

Stephen St. John – APFN June 10, 2004
Updated with new link at foot of page
With regard to Blueridge's reference to remote control of 9/11 flights, please check out System Planning Corporation of Alexandria, Virginia. www.sysplan.com

System Planning Corporation designs, manufactures and distributes highly sophisticated technology that enables an operator to fly by remote control as many as eight different airborne vehicles at the same time from one position either on the ground or airborne. For those looking for an extraordinarily interesting hobby, please see photos and specs of this hardware (about the size of a small refrigerator)at www.sysplan.com/Radar/CTS Just be sure your mom doesn't catch you causing havoc with the airlines.

Also, System Planning Corporation markets the technology to take over the controls of an airborne vehicle already in flight. For example, the Flight Termination System technology could hijack hijackers and bring the plane down safely. The Flight Termination System can be used in conjunction with the CTS technology that can control up to 8 airborne vehicles simultaneously. see www.sysplan.com/Radar/FTS Unfortunately, these systems as of yet are not able to prevent lyrics such as "When you get caught between the moon and New York City"!

The possibility of nefarious use of these brilliant technologies developed and deployed by Systems Planning Corporation certainly deserves careful consideration in any full and impartial investigation of what actually took place on 9/11.

In the context of 9/11 it also needs to be pointed out that Rabbi Dov Zakheim was Chief Executive Officer of System Planning Corporation's International Division until President George W. Bush appointed him Undersecretary of Defense and Comptroller of the Pentagon. Not long before Rabbi Zakheim rose to power over the Pentagon's labyrinthine, bottomless accounts, he co-authored an article entitled "Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources for a New Century" which was published by The Project for a New American Century in September 2000, exactly a year before 9/11; in this article, on page 51, it is stated that "the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor"!

Voila! 9/11!

...snip. Check out the page.
Thanks, DreamWeaver
http://www.unknownnews.net/040730c-dreamweaver.html

Wealthy imagination topples destructive government

5:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You seem to have omitted the meaningless factoids about how all the WTC buildings that collapsed, WTC1, WTC2 (the 'Twin Towers') and WTC7 (a) looked just like they were demolished by explosives experts and (b) were all controlled by Larry Silverstein, president of the Israeli Export Development Corporation, who inserted the clause into the lease on the Twin Towers, which he acquired only 8 weeks before 9/11, giving himself to right to rebuild on the spot if they ever fell down.

6:36 PM  
Blogger Ringwind said...

9/11 and October Surprise scandal. Google and type in "Operation Ringwind"

7:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Funny list. Too bad a few chunks of it have been disproved in other news sources or so called conspiracy sites.

Wasn't Julia Roberts in this movie?

7:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This page is a classic presentation of the problems with the official 9-11 story. I hope it's archived permanently at this location because I am sure to come back again and again!

8:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for this. With your permission (actually, without your express refusal ;>) I'll link to this from my site.

Chilling reading.

If anyone has any good rebuttals of the sources, I'll link to those as well, and I think it would be a good idea for this site to do the same - there's nothing wrong with the truth. So far I've not seen any of this knocked back.

8:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you for taking the time to compile all this information. I've forwarded the text as well as the link to everyone I know. I hope they do the same, and I hope everyone that has stopped here so far will do so as well.

Revolutions have to start somewhere!

8:48 PM  
Blogger BillyThrilly7 said...

I don't understood what it all adds up to. What's the moral of the story in one short paragraph? No matter what the facts are you must believe that there was a final goal in mind. This massive conspiracy is for WHAT? Bush to take over the world? Put money in pockets? So he planned or knew about 9/11? I don't get it. See that's why the article is meaningless to me.

Because if the moral of the story is that Bush knew about 9/11 for some type of world domination goal, it's just not true. So all of that info is meaningless to me. There was no conspiracy and say what you want about Bush. Stupid, incompetent, greedy, but he's not a mass murderer so he can "take over the world" or put a few million more dollars in his friends or his family's pockets. You have to believe that thesis for any of the info in that article to matter. The thesis is false.

Sorry.

George Bush did not know about 9/11 and he isn't trying to take over the world. So the article is meaningless to me.

For someone who believes that he did, all of those points just reinforce your belief. I bet the majority of the people who read that article don't take the time out to research the other side or the true meaning and see if it adds up to anything. For example..


Quote:
That heightened security for the World Trade Centre was lifted immediately prior to the attacks illustrates that it always happens when you least expect it.



That entry led had a link that led to a Newsday article that talked about how the World Trade Center had a TWO WEEK hightened security alert because they recieved phone threats and then it was lifted on Thursday, five days before the attack. So what? Buildings have bomb threats and hightened security alerts all the time. They sent the bomb sniffing dogs home after two weeks of not sniffing bombs. This is a meaningless yet upon reading it, it'll make you go "wow!" type entry. A perfect example of what I'm talking about....but

...regardless of which entries in that article are meaningless and which ones are actually bery bery interesting, the thesis doesn't work...I leave you with...

Occham's razor: The simplest solution is more likely when all other things are equal.

Did a MASSIVE worldwide conspiracy involving the President of the United States murdering 3000 of his own people and the Israeli secret service and the stock exchange and the C.I.A and business in Saudi Arabia and Texas and the Middle east and cousins of politicians and business leaders really occur for some type of financial or world domination type goal?

OR

Did Osama Bin Laden, our sworn enemy and arch terrorist for over a decade, already responsible for mass murder a bunch of times, send his trained Al Queda operatives to pull out box cutters, scaring the crap out of passengers, in a perfectly executed, pretty simple plan, to fly planes into the World Trade Center and Washington landmarks to kill Americans and destroy our symbols and cripple our economy?

After reading the last two paragraphs I must say that that's it for me on this subject. I will not give THIS subject another second of my time. I can't. I'm sorry.

9:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Minstrel Boy,
Zan here from DU.

You might want to add this:

That Carlyle, a company with ties to George H. W. Bush, owned a majority share in the supplier of air traffic control surveillance systems for the Federal Aviation Authority, shouldn't raise any eyebrows. After all, it's a big company.

(And, hey, I only have the link as April 5, 2003. Don't have the relevant info for September 11, 2001.)




FRONT PAGE STORY - April 5, 2003
http://the-news.net/cgi-bin/story.pl?title=US%20arms%20group%20heads%20for%20Lisbon&edition=697

THE PORTUGAL NEWS
US arms group heads for Lisbon

Directors of one of the world’s largest armament companies are planning on meeting in Lisbon in three weeks time. The American based Carlyle Group is heavily involved in supplying arms to the Coalition forces fighting in the Iraqi war. It also holds a majority of shares in the Seven Up company and Federal Data Corporation, supplier of air traffic control surveillance systems to the US Federal Aviation Authority. The 12 billion dollar company has recently signed contracts with United Defence Industries to equip the Turkish and Saudi Arabian armies with aviation defence systems.

9:28 PM  
Blogger Tom said...

I was just thinking about some of the odds of the events happeneing on 911 according to the official version.. This might give people a little better idea of the degree of improbability of it all.

Let's just say for comparison purposes: odds of lining up three 7's or any symbols in a slot machine- let's say a moderate 2,000 to 1?

Compare to:

1) Odds of "terrorists" in four different air terminals, WITHIN THE HOUR, successfully getting past security and onto airliners that they intend to hijack- 20,000,000 to 1?

2) Odds of all airliners successfully hijacked and accurately guided to their targets by totally inexperienced pilots- 500,000,000 to 1?

3) Odds of NORAD defense system getting caught off guard and not responding to intercept the airliners- 6,000,000,000 to 1?

4) Odds of NORAD defense system getting caught off guard and not responding to intercept airliners, after repeated warnings of imminent terrorist attacks to the administration- infinitesimal?

3) Odds of a high-rise building like the World Trade Centers collapsing from a plane impact and fuel fire- 4,000,000 to 1?

4) Odds of TWO buildings like the WTC's to collapse from plane impact and fuel fire, within a half hour of each other and on the same property- almost infinitesimal?

5) Odds of two buildings collapsing from impact and fire, on the same property, within a half hour of each other, IN A PERFECTLY DOWNWARD CONTROLLED-LIKE DEMOLITION- infinitesimal?

6) Odds of government being caught off guard on 911 AND successfully "solving" the case within an hour after the attacks- 70,000,000 to 1?

7) Odds of all of the above happening within two hours ON THE SAME DAY- infinitesimal.

For those of you who have experienced the frustrating odds in a casino, you might get a better idea of the improbability of the government's version of 911. It just didn't happen that way! Most Americans seem to have lost the ability to distinguish between coincidence and conspiracy. There HAS to be a certain point where the "coincidences" are so numerous and improbable that one has to in all logic consider "conspiracy". Of course, the biggest factor here is not necessarily people's logical abilities, but whether they can actually still think for themselves, not brainwashed by the government!

9:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm SO relieved. My faith is government was beginning to erode. Thanks for showing me my fears were all just a bad dream.

9:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Jeff - nice work, hopefully will get through to some with their heads still in the sand (or elsewhere) - one thing - there was no standing order to shoot down hijacked planes - the standing order was simply to intercept them immediately, at which time the people in charge would have more info about the situation and decide whether to shoot them down or whatever.... the problem with saying something like this that is incorrect is that the "coincidence theorists" will jump on this as being wrong and try to use it to discredit everything else that is right!

11:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Whomever pointed out all the 'odds' - you must either have been asleep in stats class or are the world's worsr gambler.

Your argument falls apart when, you talk about the towers falling apart. Anyone who has an engineering degree and has been exposed to structural or civil engineering, (or even people who saw the two hour special on the history channel) knows that the building's supports melted and caused a cascade failure in the structure. Since the fires and explosions were localized, the intense heat and fire weakened the entire columns down to the base.

Any of this info can be found on any collection of news and non news and non US websites.

It is sad that you people need to look for some 'nifty action movie' type conspiracy. Bush may be a lousy president but as someone else pointed out, it isn't like he's planning to take over the world.

So, can you guys get real jobs and stop working tech support, or fast food, or retail, or whatever it is you do. I suppose you think the CIA killed JFK? Oh and that whole holocaust thing was just Israel exaggerating?

11:31 PM  
Blogger art said...

GREAT ARTICLE!

VERY FORWARDABLE!

12:36 AM  
Blogger Tom said...

Odds of most Americans opening their eyes and realizing how they have been duped about 911- infinitesimal?

Odds of a "Patriotic" government apologist admitting obvious facts about 911 that cast guilt on the Bush administration- infinitesinal?

Odds of the Bush administration providing us proof to back up their actions- infinitesimal?

Odds of most Americans continuing to believe the government fairy tales we are continually exposed to- infinitesimally sad!

1:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When one looks at everything that "occurred" that day - one has to consider that it was indeed organized crime and NOT organized by the CONSPIRACY of a group of men living in caves in some Godforsaken country. When anyone points to the simple impossiblility of this crime happening the way the government has claimed - with the government claiming to be completely in the dark one hour before the crime occurred and then fully aware of of who all the cave dwelling CONSPIRATORS were - THREE HOURS AFTER THE CRIME - is just so goofy and laughable - that only an idiot could possibly by that. But since there is really nothing that can practically be done to bring these men to justice without the involvement of intelligent and INFORMED citizens - in the end you just have to shrug your shoulders and say "Hey - what the hell" and ignore them all. As individuals we just have to conduct our affairs as if they don't exist. They are going to do what they are going to do and there isn't a damn thing the majority can do about it save and except sit back and watch them spasm like squrrels on the Tube. I mean for Christ sake - the world in general could give a shit! People are being slaughtered in Iraq - US and Iraqi forces and civilians both - and the country is jacked up about the frigging Olympics!! That tells you something doesn't it? The crime of the century and they are watching 13 year old girls walking around in tight clothes and flipping and jumping across a wooden bar like their lives depended on it!! It defies belief that the majority could be so apathetic. Without a majority of concerned citizens - any sense of revolution is out of the question. The people of the US are less intelligent and involved than the so-called PEASANT CLASS in Venezuela!! In that nation 94% of the people are registered and 4 times the oligarchs tried to remove Chavez - but the people are involved and INTERESTED in the affairs of their country. Not so in the US. FAT and Lazy and above all happy ignorant slaves. We have the system to remove all of them - but with only 60 percent of our people registered to participate in the process and most of them all voting for one form of collectivism or another - the odds of any meaningful change taking place or BILLIONS TO ONE!! Not one journalist has sought to really publically challenge the status quo. Not one real senator or Congressman. Not one Editor from one of the Majors!! Not one Law enforcement agent from the majors on the City (mass murder in NYC) State (mass murder in NY and VA) Federal (Mass murder in the US) have sought to make their name and history by treating the entire matter as a simple murder instead of a "Terrorist act". not one of the major Generals from any of the 4 major branches of the military have broken ranks and sided with Commons sense!! NOT ONE!!

1:10 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let me just say that this is perhaps the most insightful, and yet humorous column I've ever been privy to read.

Awesome...I'm forwarding to my friends n loved ones...whether they like it OR NOT...cowards...lol

1:53 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is probably the best, most concise, wittiest and most convincing treatment of the case for 9/11 skepticism I have had the privilege to read in my going on three years of collecting and writing on this subject. Thank you.

Link up at 911truth.org under the blog. Can we put the whole thing up at the site? Please inform, write me a mail

nicholas@911truth.org

4:49 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

...And the fact that Condaleeza Rice phoned her good friend, San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown the evening of September 10, and advised him not to fly commercial that week? Lies! Damn Lies!! To be sure!!!

6:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

America is bent to the core...simple as!

7:23 AM  
Blogger EB said...

That you are a raving lunatic.

That you forgot your medication.

That your friends from the raving lunatic asylum were all released on the same day and managed to stumble upon random symbols that allowed them to read your lunatic ravings.

That the government is watching you right now and downloading all your lunatic ravings.

That the white suited lunatic catchers are pulling up to your door as I type.

That you follow the great tradition that includes Chariots of the Gods and Gerbils up a certain actor's ass.

That we have a candidate who depends on lunatics to vote for him.

According to my calculations, 1 in a gazillion! But it happened!

8:37 AM  
Blogger Pax said...

Great piece. Thanks for your work. Nothing is impossible or improbable with our current regime - and/or others in the past. The question is - what tricks does W have up his sleeve pre-election.

8:54 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you for this in depth list of FACTS that have occurred regarding 9/11 and the before and after of it.

I will pass this on to many, many doubters!

9:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am under the impression that George Bush was in Florida on the night of September10, dining with Jeb and other Republican worthies.
Other than this, I am very impressed with this Coincidence Guide. Excellent work.

9:01 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For more information about these coincidences, check out www.cooperativeresearch.org

9:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Remember, Clinton had a list of "suspicious" events just as long. It is easy to look back and convince yourself that the Bush/Bin Laden family conspired 9/11 to generate wealth for itself. However, if all the evidence you cite is readily verifiable for the public, why no outrage? If it is as open and shut as you say, then people in high places should be exposed. Why is this not happening? Could it be, that much of what you cite is mere speculation, conspiracy-laced, opinion of what you WISH was true so you can blast the current administration?

9:52 AM  
Blogger john b said...

Tom - careful. Your odds are very, very wrong, to the extent that you're providing ammunition to the wingnuts who think questioning the official story is the preserve of the crazy.

US airline security was appalling before 9/11. I know of various people who managed to accidentally carry *guns* in their hand luggage, never mind small blades.

You're radically overestimating the value of air defence. I don't know much about NORAD, but the chances of a typical air defence system getting caught off-guard while not on terrorist alert would never be less likely than 100-1 (ie 99% success rate). I suspect they'd be a great deal lower.

Flying a 767 or a 757 isn't an easy job, but it's not an enormously hard one - and the difficult bits are things like landing and flaps, not airside steering. Purely on the basis of my MS flight simulator experience, I managed to do some reasonably impressive-looking things in British Airways' real 767 simulator a few years ago. The reason pilots train for a long time is because if you mess it up then everyone dies, so a 95% chance of success isn't really acceptable. The terrorists appear not to be too worried about people dying.

The WTC towers were specced to withstand a plane impact, but not to withstand a full planeload of kerosene setting them on fire. While passers-by didn't think the towers would fall, experienced structural engineers did.

The WTC towers were also specced so that if they did ever fall due to external force, it would be in the form of a perfectly downward controlled-like demolition. This is the case for all new skyscrapers - everyone concerned *really* wants to avoid playing Manhattan dominoes.

9:53 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Errrr....It would be easier to spread this far and wide
if it would print. I can't even save it and load it into a graphics program and print it.

Annonymous

OK How about inept?

10:07 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Regarding fire in The Towers:

There was quite a bit of radio conversation coming from firefighters who at certain points after reaching the burning floors determined that the fires had died down to "controllable" levels. From memory, firefighters stated floors they were on and then commented how fires were dying out. The obvious point, is that structural steel columns would be most likely to buckle when they are at their highest temperature, since the yield strenght of the steel reduces with temperature (and then more or less returns as the steel cools!) - This is another discrepancy pointed out by some structural people examining the sequence of fire-heating-cooling-collapse...

10:39 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

love this article, it's just that lots of people will never accept the enemy is deep within , not in the good old
usa, it would be equivalent to death or insanity in their small mind.

10:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Billy Thrill...

Ya just don't get it.....do ya?

The point of the blog is that there are too many coincidences, anomalies and half truths for the official story of 9/11 to be true. What you need to do is get through you thick skull the fact that NO ONE IS SUGGESTING BUSH ORGANIZED 9/11!!!! How stupid can you be? The whole point is that we are being lied to and need to demand real answers from our leaders....got it?

11:25 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"NORAD was also conducting another war game entitled Operation Northern Vigilance that involved stationing fighter aircraft in northern Canada and Alaska to stave off the threat of the Russian fleet flying over the arctic. Due to this exercise only 14 figher aircraft were left to protect the United States on September the 11th." ( Only goes to show that we won´t be caught off guard by the russians. )

http://www.norad.mil/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.news_rel_09_09_01

12:38 PM  
Blogger George Washington said...

Great Post!!! Because most americans don't know that the Twin Towers were likely brought down with controlled demolition, how about an entry which quotes all the witnesses (including firefighters) who stated that they heard bombs going off and the Towers appear to have been brought down with controlled demolition? And it is also a coincidence that the collapse of the towers looked EXACTLY like controlled demolitions of buildings or sports stadiums?

3:54 PM  
Blogger Susie Dow said...

That a client of Riggs Bank sent tens of millions of dollars in suspicious transactions and that that client was the Saudi Embassy headed by Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan just shows how rich the Saudis really are.

That Prince Bandar's wife, Princess Haifa al-Faisal, authorized regular payments over four years to two Saudi families in California, one of whom reportedly helped find lodgings for two of the 15 Saudi hijackers who took part in the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on New York and the Pentagon, is no reason to question her charitable nature.

4:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great job!

5:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great job, but you missed one of the strangest conicidences - that Warren Buffett was hosting a Charity Golf tournament at Offutt Air Force Base in Omaha, and this base is where Air Force One retreated to on 9/11. More interesting is that Anne Tatlock, CEO of Fiduciary Trust Co. International, was a guest at the golf tournament. Fiduciary Trust reinvests money for billionaires like Buffett. On 9/11 military officers ushered Tatlock into a lounge, just in time to see Flight 175 crash into the WTC South Tower exactly where Fiduciary Trust's offices were located.

http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/buffett.html

5:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"That the National Military Command Center ops director asked a rookie substitute to stand his watch at 8:30 am on Sept. 11 is nothing more than bad timing."

Of course, that this band of radical Muslim fanatics happened to crash their planes into the WTC towers 15 minutes later at 8:45 am, when the building was not fully tenanted, rather than 9:00 am, thereby not deriving maximum impact from their actions, simply shows bad planning on the part of this (as our leaders tell us) terrifyingly efficient organization, known best for careful planning. But that was probably just a last-minute airport security hitch at the airports.

5:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh, my various gods!

Would someone PLEASE put this one into Mr. Kerry's IN-basket, so that he'll get it in the morning? I think he may wish to peruse.

Thx, ever so.

!

10:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

These coinciences are AMAZING. But, I still find it hard to believe that there was an actual conspiracy by Bush and all his henchmen. I just can't believe that they would have done that. Call me naive.

However, this list of coincidences really does point out the magnitude of conflicts of interest going on in the government, the complete ineptitude of the entire Bush administration, and the sickening greed of all of them, that led to the horrific 9/11 occurrence. Our demented government made it so friggin' easy for the attack to occur; at the very least, they unwittingly (as in, witlessly) led the attackers to the airport gates.

Thanks for this blog. I have certainly shared the link.

Di

11:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great work, if only Joe 6Pack could get off the couch and read it!

11:58 PM  
Blogger BillyThrilly7 said...

Anonymous(real brave) said...
"Billy Thrill...

Ya just don't get it.....do ya?

The point of the blog is that there are too many coincidences, anomalies and half truths for the official story of 9/11 to be true. What you need to do is get through you thick skull the fact that NO ONE IS SUGGESTING BUSH ORGANIZED 9/11!!!! How stupid can you be? The whole point is that we are being lied to and need to demand real answers from our leaders....got it?"

LOL...great post ANONYMOUS...lol...here you go...

The process of name-calling is typically based upon feeling not OK, and name-callers are trying to make themselves feel more powerful by using the process. If I call you a name and get you upset, then I temporarily feel more powerful because I had a powerful effect upon you. My self-esteem rises at your expense. I project my unhappiness on to you and you take it on if you allow yourself to be upset.

12:04 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Another concidence under terrorist attacks, if you count the days between 9/4, 9/9= 5, days between attacks of 9/9 & 9/13 = 4 5+4=9... the days between attacks of 9/13 & 9/16 = 3, and days between 9/16 & 9/22+= 6... 6+3 =9.. and these attacks happened in the ninth month, of 99 yr.

12:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Another concidence under terrorist attacks, if you count the days between 9/4, 9/9= 5, days between attacks of 9/9 & 9/13 = 4 5+4=9... the days between attacks of 9/13 & 9/16 = 3, and days between 9/16 & 9/22+= 6... 6+3 =9.. and these attacks happened in the ninth month, of 99 yr.

12:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"These coinciences are AMAZING. But, I still find it hard to believe that there was an actual conspiracy by Bush and all his henchmen. I just can't believe that they would have done that. Call me naive."

Somethings are true whether you believe them or not.

Excellent work:)

12:58 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"These coinciences are AMAZING. But, I still find it hard to believe that there was an actual conspiracy by Bush and all his henchmen. I just can't believe that they would have done that. Call me naive."

Somethings are true whether you believe them or not.

Excellent work:)

12:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You put alot of work into this - I will forward it as far as I can - I need to read it again so much detail.

6:21 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous(real brave) said...
"Billy Thrill...

Ya just don't get it.....do ya?

The point of the blog is that there are too many coincidences, anomalies and half truths for the official story of 9/11 to be true. What you need to do is get through you thick skull the fact that NO ONE IS SUGGESTING BUSH ORGANIZED 9/11!!!! How stupid can you be? The whole point is that we are being lied to and need to demand real answers from our leaders....got it?"

LOL...great post ANONYMOUS...lol...here you go...

The process of name-calling is typically based upon feeling not OK, and name-callers are trying to make themselves feel more powerful by using the process. If I call you a name and get you upset, then I temporarily feel more powerful because I had a powerful effect upon you. My self-esteem rises at your expense. I project my unhappiness on to you and you take it on if you allow yourself to be upset.

Thank you. I am curious though, why do you think the government would lie about 9/11 if you do not think they had anything to do with it? If all these events were more than "coincidence", you must believe there was extensive planning on the part of the Bush administration to concieve and carry out this attack for personal/political gain.

7:50 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That we are supposed to believe the cell phone calls from inside a all metal fusalage going 400+mph at whatever altitude when alot of calls to talk radio using cell phones within sight of the towers 2miles away are so garbled or static filled the show host hangs up? That none of the black boxes survived or could be made public? That those mysterous flashes seen from multiple angles as the jets were about to breech the WTC were sun glints or puffs of dust in the sun or something other than worthy of investigation.
That the only pictures of landing gear rims and jet compressor fan parts at the pentagon coincedentally match those from unaccounted for Global Hawk
remote drones should be dissmisses as paranoic indications of a lack of
floride and too much melatonin. (Techknomen of www.tv10morehead.com attempting to diminish ignorance in the land of [NE]Kentucky)

10:23 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Unaccounted for "Global Hawk"? Are you trying to say that an airliner didn't hit the Pentagon? What about all the people who were on that flight? Oh yea, they must be stuffed in an underground railroad car in the Nevada desert.

11:09 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Perhaps you should also consider the Oklahoma City bombings as part of the "dress rehearsal". Tim McVeigh behaved in a very, desensitized, "programmed" way during his trial, interviews and just before execution. To me it seemed the whole event smacked of Pentagon/CIA planning to test if they can program Americans to kill and terrorize fellow Americans. The close-quarters urban combat tactics being tried out in Iraq are really just a warm-up for the real war in American cities in case of revolution. That the Bush family was involved with Nazi Germany and aided several high-ranking Nazis in coming to the US just about says it all.

11:33 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please cite for us where your information about the connection between Bush/Nazi's comes from. If the Tim McVie was a CIA robot then explain Terry Nichols. Why, in all the years he has been incarcerated, did he never mention CIA involvement? While yes, Tim McVie acted very odd throughout his trial up to his execution, Terry Nichols has not acted in that way.
Please explain what you think the Bush's would have to gain, by warfare in the streets of America?

12:25 PM  
Blogger Bo Peep said...

So I emailed this to a friend of mine and recieved this noteworthy reply titled "Okay...so wha