Friday, May 27, 2005

Cynical, sophisticated and subtle

Sometimes nonsense is just nonsense. Sometimes, like when Marshall Applewhite hollered "All aboard!" for the Hale-Bopp Express, it's dangerous nonsense. Sometimes the nonsense is also disinformation. And sometimes, disinformation is not nonsense at all. And for the truth, that's the most dangerous.

First, some nonsense. I don't know what Phil Jayhan and letsroll911's story is, but I'll bet it doesn't have a happy ending. The two are responsible for the aggressive dissemination of the ludicrous pod-and-missile theory. (That is, a moment before impacting the towers, the aircraft fired missiles from pods on their bellies. Why would they? A good question. One which, as usual with such fantasies, is never really addressed.) I see Jayhan posted on Thursday a bizarre ramble about how letsroll911 has changed history, and even lapses into the third person to talk about himself. As a rule, not a good sign:

When I decided to then publish my findings, I thought I would end up within a week, with either a bullet in my head or CNN trucks in my driveway. It was kind of a hard decision, as I really desired neither. But I chose to publish. So on April 15th, 2004, I released a press release that literally changed the face of the world and its politics.

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Had Phil Jayhan never existed, and never taken out this website, all of you would be experiencing an alternate reality, quite different than the one which you now enjoy...Not sure what that would be, but am sure it wouldn't be better than what we now have.


I won't judge Jayhan's intentions. But I hope, for his sake, that he's insincere.

Staying with 9/11 for the moment, consider the Pentagon crash, and the confiscation of the video from the service station security camera. That the video has never been released is regarded by many as damning evidence that authorities are trying to hide the true nature of the crash: that the video must reveal that it wasn't Flight 77 but a missile, or a fighter jet. But think: perhaps the video remains hidden because some people are quite happy to mindfuck the conspiracists and perpetuate an erroneous line of inquiry. Would they want to lay to rest a mistaken hypothesis, when it misdirects the efforts of so many? It may be that the question is not What have they got to hide? but rather, Why do they want us to think that they're hiding something?

Yesterday's news regarding developments in the Johnny Gosch case was encouraging, but we need to keep our wits about us, about them. The story is that investigator James Rothstein has a former CIA agent on tape admitting the agency's hand in the abduction. Now sometimes, former CIA agents tell the truth. But quite often, particularly about such dark and sensitive subjects, they don't. Reasonable skepticism about whatever they tell us is a good idea, not least when they tell us what we want to hear. So while I hope Rothstein is onto a strong lead, I have to also ask, could there be a reason why the Agency would intend, at this time, to sow disinformation about this crime?

After all, the best disinformation is that which most closely resembles the truth as we know it. It may look just like what we're expecting to find. But within it, is a time bomb meant to blow up in our faces.

Jim Garrison knew the feeling. He had his case against Clay Shaw blow up because of the cross-examination of Charles Spiesel, a New York accountant he'd belatedly added to his witness list. Spiesel testified he had heard Shaw and David Ferrie discuss the possible assassination of John F Kennedy. When the Chief Defense Counsel rose, he "uncannily" knew to destroy Spiesel's credibility, and Garrison's, by probing him about mind control. Spiesel complained that "hypnosis and psychological warfare" had been used on him, and he had been mentally tortured by the NYPD. And who knows: Spiesel could have been a mind control subject, but it wouldn't have mattered. (This was still years before the declassification, such as it was, of MK-ULTRA.) In the eyes of the jury his testimony was rendered worthless.

In On the Trail of the Assassins, Garrison writes:

For one very long moment, while I am sure that my face revealed no concern, I was swept by a feeling of nausea. I realized that the clandestine operation of the opposition was so cynical, so sophisticated, and, at the same time, so subtle, that destroying an old-fashioned state jury trial was very much like shooting a fish in a barrel with a shotgun.

Most of us, I think, are good-hearted people who are alive to this material because we recognize injustice and mean for it to end. That can be our strength, but it can also find hobbling expression in naive thinking. I believe on this side we could do with some healthy cynicism, sophistication and subtly of our own. Maybe it could rescue some credibility. Save lives, even.

I think of Gary Caradori, Chief Investigator for the Nebraska Legislature's Franklin committee, calling Senator Loran Schmit and exclaiming "We've got them! There's no way they can get out of it now!" He was returning from Chicago with photographic evidence of Lawrence King's elite paedophile ring. Schmit took another phone call a short while later, which informed him that Caradori had died in the crash of his small plane. His evidence was never recovered.

We want to get them, but let's never again say "There's no way they can get out of it now." Let's think several steps ahead, because they do. And when the bad guys shoot fish in a barrel, usually we're the fish. So we'd better be thinking outside the barrel.

53 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Unfortunately, even if we learn to think outside the barrel, we're still the fish. This is a major problem with what you're doing on this site. Our thinking may change as a result of what we read, we become aware of the deceptions playing out around us, but there's nothing we can do about them. The levers of power -- nearly all of them -- have been seized now, the watchdog media have been turned into the lapdogs of the powerful, and the great mass of the sheeple sleep....

2:51 a.m.  
Blogger Joe said...

Not releasing the pentagon video is a win win situation for the PTB. They probably realised that by not releaseing the video that people would first allege that this is proof that nothing hit the Pentagon and would then be followed up by people saying that it is just a way to divide 9/11 investigators. Either way, they win. There is no end to the "reverses" that you can put on the pychology thing. Consider the fact that, by propogating the idea that the no plane at the Pentagon is a deliberate mind job by the perpetrators, you are furthering their agenda. Without the facts, there is just no way to second guess those who carried it out. Our only hope is to stick to the evidence at hand. As regards the Pentagon attack, there is a wealth of evidence that strongly suggests that it was nota 757 that hit that day.

6:05 a.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

so what happened to the plane that supposedly hit the pentagon then? did the people who staged 911 carefully dispose of it and the passangers in order to shoot a missile at the pentagon? what for? it doesn´t make any sense. to me it´s so clear that the pod / "a missile hit the pentagon"-people are spreading disinfo, tho
i don´t know whether they´re aware of it or not.

7:42 a.m.  
Blogger Jeff Wells said...

"This is a major problem with what you're doing on this site. Our thinking may change as a result of what we read, we become aware of the deceptions playing out around us, but there's nothing we can do about them."

I admit to the problem, and I don't know what to do about it, because it means doing something about me. And like I've said all along, I'm cautiously pessimistic.

I want always to be intellectual honest here, and that means I haven't been able to offer much in the way of hope for the big picture. Problems of deep politics can't be redressed by merely political solutions. And I think we've reached a stage where there's not a lot we can do except see it coming, get out of the way and try to save ourselves.

I know I was happier inside the barrel, but it was still a barrel. Now, if only I could flop down to the harbour and slip into the ocean....

8:52 a.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

An ocean of hirsute, curious and not unfriendly dwarves would be my preference.

9:27 a.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cognisance is bliss???

Perhaps there is a route to such a nirvanous state in this rotated world of irrational intuitions.

We are living in a world of Moore's Law imbued evolution in which changes in the very firament of reality, aka our technological substrate, is shifting faster than anything in history. The old-men-in-charge certainly have gotten their positions by leveraging the advanced technologies of their age, and of course they have every potent tool of today at their fingertips, but with exponential growth, their grip on technology could slip enough for a sudden eclipse in the powers they wield.

All this is a reaction, Jeff, to your statement "And I think we've reached a stange where there's not a lot we can do except see it coming and try to save ourselves."

There's never much one can do, let alone at such a 'strange stage' ;) as we find ourselves in today, right? If you meant that we can save ourselves the exasperation of the chronic background radiation of anxiety, then I'd agree that the awareness and direct vision of the level and depth of the darker vicissitudes that you have wonderfully been instilling through your writing here, can help achieve that.

In fact, the more the boogie man is seen to be made up most of, um, boogers, then at least one's own continence of alarm can be abated, right? The cause of the common people, considering the tumbling nature of its blind acceptance of the authorities-that-be, may never hold much hope for their salvation. On the other hand, who's to say that some if not all of histories major turning points were NOT the historical equivalents of modern day psy-ops?? Perhaps Easter back in 0033 was mired in its own "missle pod"??? Why won't Rome release the footage from the tomb?!?!

If we can keep our wits about us, cognizant of the nature of the pervasive anxious radiation, then maybe some greater hope CAN be chipped out of the opaque obsidian of covert operations against the people of earth?

BTW I heard Jesus is actually Gosch! (lol)

9:33 a.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jeff - "Cynical, sophisticated and subtle" is the most freakin' wonderful I've thing I've ever seen on a "conspiracy-related" website. (To abuse a metaphor that seems to have some popularity around here) it is obvious you are aware of the rabbithole on the other side of the rabbithole. Some of what appears to be revelation is actually deception. Acknowledgement of which is probably the first of the things which supposedly we can't do about them. Demand rigor; clear & conscious thought; examine what we are being told (and presumably being led to thought); question...

I think it is ironic that immediately AFTER the best writing I've ever seen, anonymouse leaves a completely negative nihilistic post. "there's nothing we can do..." I've watched a gradual shift in response to conspiracy theory (somebody give me a better term please!) over the years. Where in the past presentation of CT led to denial or anger, head shaking, among today's "cynical youth" the response is that that is just the way politicians are, its always been this way, and we can't do anything about it.

The "nothing we can do" cop-out is something I will always shout-down. There are clear trends showing things getting better over time - we have voting rights for minorities & women, pollution has cleared (compared to ~70s), we have vaccines against diseases, etc etc etc... Obviously not everything is perfect, but we can show that things CAN GET BETTER. I obviously can't rule out the possibility that this became FALSE as of Election Day 2000. But to claim that "they" have the levers of power is to completely ignore evidence to contrary - just look at the transformation the media/net landscape has undergone because of blogs (just an example). If you give up so nihilisticly, you aren't thinking outside the barrel...

Equally odd - posters appear to be sidetracking Jeff's razor-sharp dissection of all things revealed - Jeff as Toto, with "Ignore the Man BEHIND the Man Behind the Curtain", to be mangling more metaphors - to carry on about what hit the Pentagon...

10:59 a.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Correlate, correlate, correlate.

One of the most marvelous and underappreciated characteristics of the Internet is its all-inclusiveness. For example, if I look up John Doe in the encyclopedia or in Who's Who, I will get the official facts of his life. But when I google on John Doe, I get the official, the unofficial, and a host of unexpected associations. That gives me more names to google, and as I follow them out, patterns and relationships start to emerge.

It's all in the patterns. We're not talking court of law here. We don't need enough evidence to secure a conviction. We just need to find out what's going on.

For example, last winter, googling on "Bobby Eberle" turned up the surprising fact that he was probably *the* best eyewitness to the 911 Pentagon incident -- convertible with the top down, passenger seat, direct view along the highway, trained pilot . . .

I haven't found any other pieces of that particular puzzle yet, so I don't know if it leads anywhere. But it's sure given me something to think about.

There are also patterns within patterns and conspiracies within conspiracies. Plausible deniability is all very well, but trying to pass off questionable activities as entirely innocent is likely to attract the attention of suspicious minds. It works much better if you can convince people that what you were doing was something crooked but trivially so, preferably involving money, sex, or both.

For example, everybody "knows" that the entire Jack Abramoff business was about nothing but ripping off Indian tribes, getting rich, and maybe arming a few Israeli settlers on the side. But what if there was more to it than that? I don't know that there was -- but I can sure see that nobody is bothering to try to find out, because they think they already have all the answers.

One of the additional advantages of concealing high-level conspiracies within petty conspiracies is that you can involve a lot of minor players who think that all they're doing is earning a few dishonest dollars, or doing minor harm to people they don't like. But here again, we're not in a court of law and we don't have to prove motives. All we need is to find the connections.

What's more, even the holes in the patterns carry information of their own. If a name comes up in a news story and you google on it and find absolutely zip -- that tells you something about the bearer of that name.

The more complete the online information-universe becomes, the more obvious the patterns will become. They will jump out at us everywhere, like cute animals in one of those hiddden-picture puzzles. So perhaps the most important thing we can do right now is ensure that access to information will not be crippled by those with the most to hide.

12:07 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Amen QuestionAnswers. But you seem to be cautiously *optimistic* whereas Jeff is on the other side. I think it takes both kinds, and I tend to career back and forth between them. My personal and professional life is pretty damn good. I'm blessed in a lot of ways. And yet, more and more, I can't stomach the idea that I implicitly consent to -- and indeed help proliferate -- an economic system that is amoral and ultimately self-destructive. Does that mean I should stop drinking Coca-Cola? Well, it's a logical argument, but that's not the way to fight a revolution, in my book.

Here's my plan, such as it is. First, listen and learn. Connect the dots. Form a clear model of How Things Really Work. I like to think I am (and collectively we are) getting there, with the help of those like Jeff and Mike Ruppert who are willing to provide these forums and stay on the story. Second, build a community. I think we're just getting to that stage. When the power goes out, who are you going to turn to? What's going to be the equivalent of the pony express? The underground railroad? What are the support systems that we need. Stockpiling gold and weapons is not the answer here -- the jackbooted thugs (if not your less scrupulous neighbors) will surely confiscate those. Connections and information are the real valuable commodities.

An interesting topic that I have just started thinking about is the differences and similarities between the PTB that seek to reboot civilization, and those of us who think the reboot is inevitable, and want to make the most of it. In many ways, the ideas expressed in both movements are the same: a stress on community, simple living, de-suburbanization, local economies, etc. Rockefellian altruism is a complex beast (ever read Vonnegut's "God Bless You, Mr. Rosewater"?) and to say that every Foundation is merely a front for a globalist power grab is to make a crude and limiting simplification. Where and how can the cautious optimists/pessimists engage with these organizations? I would be curious on your thoughts, Jeff, but clearly there's no dearth of material for you to comment on. :-)

12:13 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

jeff's words of caution are well-put, and should be well-taken. this is just all too rovian to believe, at least the gannon part, and maybe even the 'new revelations' part. so we should be very very careful and skeptical.

this is not to say we should dismiss all these horror stories about child sex abuse in high places. the likelihood that anyone with inclinations to abuse power will also have a healthy sex life is just nil. we should not be surprised therefore to see these perversities unleashed currently (my current fave is neal horsley's twisted 'love of animals'), what with the PTB rewarding and not punishing the perps.

the concerns about not being able to do anything about all this are also well-put, and well-taken. i'd bet most of us are feeling a good measure of that despair, even if we can occasinally find those little pearls of truth buried deep in the hog slop.

on that note, it might be worth considering the best minds on this stuff, especially those who have actually suffered outside the barrel REALLY, those who have never had benefit of living in a democracy.

of course, i don't think we're in a democracy anymore, toto (he deserves a second appearance in this chat!). this first hit me after the 02 elections, when it was clear several had been stolen (god bless max cleland!) and that the press was no longer free but bought and paid for.

so i began reading gandhi again,and was reminded of his most astute remark on these matters:
government cannot survive without the cooperation of the governed.
this, you may recognize, is a variation on the theme of 'consent of the governed' in our declaration of independence.

i also found myself reading some vaclav havel, who described how they in the eastern bloc countries simply began doing what gandhi advised, not out of ideological decision but out of necessity. they started noticing that they were losing every battle they raised with the big soviet monster, sacrificing all their best and brightest, and meanwhile everyone at home was hungry, ill, and cold.

so they localized. they started taking care of each other. they grouped closely together as communities (there is a huge irony here), determined to provide for each and every one among them with food, water, shelter, heat, education, and medical care. when they needed something bigger, like a turbine or a crane, they dealt with the local rep who had to live there with them, and so could be counted on to be at least reasonable.

in other words, rather than risk sending every fish over the edge to a very likely death outside the barrel, they just set up shop in the depths.

(after all, when outside the barrel one runs the risk of taking up the shotgun to survive.)

ultimately, the soviet monster became so top-heavy and self-absorbed, forgetting completely the workers who had made it possible, that it collapsed under its own weight, the supporting masses having thoroughly abandoned it.

this will be our own ultimate salvation, as well. but take note: it will require great suffering and sacrifice before the masses realize the solution that is needed. but of course, another irony, this same solution is precisely what we have needed all along.

that leaves the question of just how we face the strife and suffering that lies inevitably before us? how best to survive the trial by fire?

again, i turn to gandhi. how did he get through it? meditation. the more one meditates, the more one recognizes the brotherhood of humanity, the folly of fear, and the primary importance of compassion. and the more one's decisions will be made in wisdom.

we can find these things every day when we look for them, though it is harder in the news than it is in the streets. and it is always - and has always been and will always be - easier to find them when we offer them from our hearts to the world.

oh my, but i do wax sappy, do i not?! forgive me; sometimes the simplest things are just, well, sappy. but i am sincere, and encouraged by the sincerity to be found here, and even out there.

peace, and all that sappy stuff.

12:14 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous above: Just thank you.

1:06 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Let's think several steps ahead, because they do. And when the bad guys shoot fish in a barrel, usually we're the fish. So we'd better be thinking outside the barrel."

This summary statement is the one that strikes me most distinctly. As for the rest of your argument, I think it's well that you say it, but I'm a little wary of succumbing to too many mental gymnastics when analysing the information (Wally Shawn trying to determine which drink is poisoned in The Princess Bride comes to mind...). Sometimes it pays to remember that absolute power in no way exempts one from idiocy. In fact, what we see most clearly is that the people who pull the levers in human affairs may have sophisticated "machines" at their disposal, but they are almost invariably idiots suprême

Also, I have little doubt that when thousands of blind men try to grope the elephant in the dark, some of them are bound to come to completely erroneous conclusions. So I don't see any reason to assume such people are de facto "disinformants". The reality is that the tendency toward disinformation is already built into the system by the very absence of light.

But your last lines show, for me, that perhaps the real issue is that "they" are organized, focused, and acting largely in concert. "We" are disparate, confused and wasteful of our energies. Still, "we" do have the benefit of great numbers, which gives us the ability to scour about for any clues, leaks or evidence which might have fallen through the cracks.

Ultimately, though, I think it's important that we maintain awareness of the larger factor in our favor, which is that regardless of whether all the questions surrounding 9/11 are being researched with integrity...regardless of whether all the questions surrounding U.S. government officials being implicated in child abduction and abuse is being research with integrity...the fact is that by keeping these questions alive then each and every day another handful of people become a little bit more aware about the seriousness of the corruption within the system.

In other words, and I emphasize, to a certain extent it is not really important whether anything is "proven" or "disproven", because every day a kind of critical mass or inflection point in public opinion is developing. Can you deny that far more people today immediately concur that our democratic system is in crisis than would have even 2 or 3 years ago? If this process continues--if a critical mass is indeed reached--then all it will take is one inflammatory "event", even a seemingly insignificant one, to set the whole damned thing ablaze.

Sometimes I feel that we put too much stock in the weight of each individual straw, and we forget to notice that the camel itself is bowing lower and lower and lower....

2:57 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Let's think several steps ahead, because they do. And when the bad guys shoot fish in a barrel, usually we're the fish. So we'd better be thinking outside the barrel."

This summary statement is the one that strikes me most distinctly. As for the rest of your argument, I think it's well that you say it, but I'm a little wary of succumbing to too many mental gymnastics when analysing the information (Wally Shawn trying to determine which drink is poisoned in The Princess Bride comes to mind...). Sometimes it pays to remember that absolute power in no way exempts one from idiocy. In fact, what we see most clearly is that the people who pull the levers in human affairs may have sophisticated "machines" at their disposal, but they are almost invariably idiots suprême

Also, I have little doubt that when thousands of blind men try to grope the elephant in the dark, some of them are bound to come to completely erroneous conclusions. So I don't see any reason to assume such people are de facto "disinformants". The reality is that the tendency toward disinformation is already built into the system by the very absence of light.

But your last lines show, for me, that perhaps the real issue is that "they" are organized, focused, and acting largely in concert. "We" are disparate, confused and wasteful of our energies. Still, "we" do have the benefit of great numbers, which gives us the ability to scour about for any clues, leaks or evidence which might have fallen through the cracks.

Ultimately, though, I think it's important that we maintain awareness of the larger factor in our favor, which is that regardless of whether all the questions surrounding 9/11 are being researched with integrity...regardless of whether all the questions surrounding U.S. government officials being implicated in child abduction and abuse is being research with integrity...the fact is that by keeping these questions alive then each and every day another handful of people become a little bit more aware about the seriousness of the corruption within the system.

In other words, and I emphasize, to a certain extent it is not really important whether anything is "proven" or "disproven", because every day a kind of critical mass or inflection point in public opinion is developing. Can you deny that far more people today immediately concur that our democratic system is in crisis than would have even 2 or 3 years ago? If this process continues--if a critical mass is indeed reached--then all it will take is one inflammatory "event", even a seemingly insignificant one, to set the whole damned thing ablaze.

Sometimes I feel that we put too much stock in the weight of each individual straw, and we forget to notice that the camel itself is bowing lower and lower and lower....

2:58 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tres sorry...blogger bites...

2:59 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jeff makes good use of partial truths in his journal today, but falls short of an accurate analogy when he gives the WTC crashes short shrift on his way to a very cogent point. There are legitimate anomalies in the official narration due to the visual evidence left behind in the video captures. It's a simple matter of viewing, and reviewing, sometimes frame by frame, what the whole world saw within the context of the official narration. It's true, as well, to "think outside the barrel" whenever hearing what rulers want the ruled to think.

Jeff also diminishes the importance of questioning the Pentagon narration by placing the weight of the evidence on one missing film. Jeff doesn't mention the film made from atop a nearby hotel, nor does he lend a passing reference to the fact that the Pentagon is probably the most highly guarded building in the world. It wouldn't surprise Jeff, nor anyone else, if there are wide spectrum cameras of all kinds, all over the building, the perimeter, the neighboring buildings, etc. Snakes quite likely couldn't get away with slithering their tongues on the Pentagon lawn without cameras capturing each nano-wag.

For sure, Jeff has a curious eye for the peripheral realities, and is able to discover tension in a vacuum. Why he chooses to dismiss contradictory evidence of the 9/11 incidents in order to make the identical point that the contradictions make, one can only surmise. My guess is that Jeff may believe that he has bigger fish to fry, darker corridors to traverse. Although with his more stimulating topics for discussion, both background and foreground are equally sinister.

3:52 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why should we try to build awareness of those with self-oriented few conspiring to advance their own ends at the expense of many? We are to suppose that the conspiring few are still so mighty that 'resistance is futile'?

That's exactly what one of the conspiring few would WANT the many to believe.

Those Who Would Kontrol do their best to do so via deception, by playing the good-intentioned into doing some small nugget of ill without their knowing it.

The whole carefully-built house of cards will collapse, as card houses do, when the previously unwitting participants, the 'many', become aware, or are made aware, that they have been duped into participating in something that is not good.

4:08 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

sofla said

It isn't hard to hypothesize a reason missiles might be used in the WTC hits, or another alternative explanation of the phenomenon that appears to be on the videos of those events.

Start with the M.O. the Joint Chiefs of Staff recommended in their Operation Northwoods for a faked hijacking/crash event: merge a real airliner's radar image with the drone (unmanned, remote controlled) military or intel 'heavy' plane that is to take its place and crash in place of the commercial airliner. Fairly simple to do by simply rendezvousing the two within x hundred feet of one another, and have the real airliner descend below radar, to a landing at a secure military airstrip.

(This might explain both the lengthy extended westward looping paths the 'hijacked' airplanes are said to have travelled, and the reason transponders were turned off.)

Now, if the planes (or other flying objects) were not the same size as the 767s allegedly involved, perhaps the smaller framed 737s that some are now arguing were used (Karl Schwartz (sp?) among others, based on the engine part pictures, and evidently the larger and bulging mid-wings fairing of the 737), even suitably repainting the airplanes, while adequate to fool the eye, would leave the wrong sized 'entrance wound' holes in the WTC facades.

Missiles or other explosive devices fired from the 'replacement' planes or other flying objects could be used to approximate the hole dimensions appropriate to the larger plane's wingspan, engine placements, etc.

Alternatively, such explosive devices might have been secreted within the building, or in the shell of the facade, and triggered from the plane by a laser when a radar device measured the plane was within a fraction of a second of impact. Issues of explosions possibly blowing OUT instead of into the building would be handled by shaping the charges so the blast would be inward.

That appearance would only need to be plausible visually, as the forensic examination that might reveal such a trick breaching the facade and building rather than a collision would never be allowed, as the later demolition and destruction of the building materials through recycling them out of the country was a critical element of the plan.

9:01 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

sofla adds:

There was that peculiar story run, I think, in the NY Times, about some tenants of the WTC at about the floor(s) struck, iirc, who had surrepticiously (one imagines, anyway) brought in heavy equipment and removed the windows in their leased suite (!).

Guessing, that could have been for access to the facade for the reasons I'm suggesting.

9:07 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"again, i turn to gandhi. how did he get through it?"

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

5:03 a.m.  
Blogger Jeff Wells said...

bin'dare wrote,

"Jeff i don't know why you want to single out LetsRoll911 for criticiem (and why now?) since there is a huge amount of questionable stuff out there. You yourself support the idea that the Nazi's had UFO technology. Geez, Jeff, give Jayhen a break."

To be honest I was uncomfortable doing it, because I don't want to instigate a Battle of the 9/11 Sites. I'd rather, as I have, ignore "letsroll," but I happened to find the Jayhan quote posted to another forum, and it seemed to me too perfect an example of what happens when 9/11 "Truth" goes bad, and lapses into cult, and too appropriate for the post I was composing.

About the UFOs and Nazis, that's a bit of a mischaracterization, but I won't quibble. Your point is fair enough, I do make some odd speculations here. The difference, I hope, is that when I speculate, I do it with an attitude of humility. There's much that I can't speak about with absolute certainty. Everything Jayhan says is a certainty. Even that he's "literally changed the face of the world and its politics."

That would be comic if letsroll911 didn't have reach. Since it does, it's tragicomic.

8:51 a.m.  
Blogger spooked said...

IMO, Jayhan is an honest but naive and impressionable young man. I think it's kind of touching the way he focuses on the POD, although I think he is not being intellectually rigorous in his analysis.

First of all, the POD is very real in certain shots of "flight 175" and there's simply no denying it. It exists. It even makes its own impression as the plane goes in the building. What the POD means I have no idea, but it can't be easily dismissed.

Second, of all, there is a reason to think that missiles were fired into the WTC. First, there were witnesses to the building two attack who said missiles were fired from the woolworth building. Second, the metal columns that made up the exterior of the WTC were quite substantial. It is not at all clear to me that a normal 767 (a relatively fragile thin aluminum skinned craft) would be able to penetrate the steel columns of the WTC without the wings or some part of the plane breaking off. However, we see the plane going into the building like a knife through butter. How does it do that? There is not even any distortion of the wings as they slice through the columns (and concrete floors as well, since the plane goes in at an angle). So missiles, which I am generally skeptical of, could have been used to soften the walls up before the planes entered. Another possibility is that special planes were used with reinforced wings for the 9/11 attacks.

All I know is that something very strange happened when those planes went into the WTC, and it doesn't make complete sense-- much like fligth 77 hitting the Pentagon doesn't make complete sense and flight 93 disappearing into the ground in Shanksville makes complete sense.

The fact is, the physical evidence for 9/11 is frickin weird. This is why so many people dwell on it.

10:37 a.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

they are smart enough to never let us get obviously ill and hungry. and that is why i too think there is nothing that can be done to win over the PTB. but i'm not without hope - it could come from another shore.

2:05 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

nothing like hearing unlettered, undereducated TV viewers discourse on what their idea of a plane crash should have looked like, based on their preconceptions...

5:49 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

{ Herb Briggs wrote }

I think Jeff is jealous that Letsroll has four times as many visitors as this "bastion of intellectuallism"...

It's certainly true that phony disinformation is spread thick throughout the 911 truth movement, and it was in place prior to the attacks. Oilempire, Mike Ruppert, and QuestionsQuestions are all disinformation. Letsroll is not disinformation, and in fact it has been attacked ( "cracked" is the correct term I think ) over 150 times a day by various government computers including D.I.S.A. pentagon rm655 and about a hundred other locations...

How many "crack" attempts does this website receive?

So many people have accused Letsroll of being disinformation it is beyond counting anymore.

Those of you with "rigorous intuition" know that Phil Jayhan is a true patriot, and Letsroll has clearly struck a nerve...

You don't catch flack unless you're over the target.

7:21 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Jeff,

Talk about coincidences! I'm on Tom Flocco, reading about Ken Shwarz's latest revelations concerning a commercial COLORADO airport being the place the A-3's were outfitted with REMOTE CONTROL and MISSILES immediately prior to 911, and what do I see?

A Link to R.I.!!!

And I come here, and what do I find?

You friggin' dissing us that are staying on top of the latest investigation revelations.

SHAME ON YOU, Jeff.

I gotta say it friend: You are friggin' clueless about REAL investigations.

Clue.

Less.

of course, there are going to be "clues" that turn out to be false leads. Name of the game, yes? To dis Jayhan because his "clues" turned out to be false (although you don't put forward ONE SCINTILLA of evidence contradicting him)is what plays into the hands of those looking to discredit the folks that care enough to keep digging.

Shame on you.

http://www.tomflocco.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=110&mode=&order=0&thold=0

10:30 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

wow mr obvious. i dont know whats funnier, people endlessly writing these blogs to explain to everyone in extreme cruciating detail, common sense. or the fact that you thought you would be killed or on cnn for writing this crap.

wow phill jayhan is a conman? wow no pods? wow the truth movement being mindfucked? well congrats, you are at about late 2002/early 2003

i wonder what the mental disorder is associated with people writing all these blogs. narcisism i would suspect.

11:11 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

whats funniest about phil jayhan is his groupies. they are really ill. they worship the guy, they act like he shits golden turds. the fact is phil is a con man who has come up with the most retarded 911 "theory" ever.

this is obvious to everyone whos really thinking. upon reading the comments here, i have one thing to say to you people.

you are fucking idiots.

11:14 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Letsroll is not disinformation, and in fact it has been attacked ( "cracked" is the correct term I think ) over 150 times a day by various government computers including D.I.S.A. pentagon rm655 and about a hundred other locations..."

LOL

11:42 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sez who?

9:03 a.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://criticalthrash.com/terror/identification.html

A list of witness at or near to the Pentagon, September 11th, 2001
collated from reports to be found online:

• Anon, from the Navy Annex.
As I stood there, I instinctively ducked at the extremely loud roar and whine of a jet engine spooling up. Immediately, the large silver cylinder of an aircraft appeared in my window, coming over my right shoulder as I faced the Westside of the Pentagon directly towards the heliport. The aircraft, looking to be either a 757 or Airbus, seemed to come directly over the annex, as if it had been following Columbia Pike - an Arlington road leading to Pentagon. The aircraft was moving fast, at what I could only be estimate as between 250 to 300 knots. All in all, I probably only had the aircraft in my field of view for approximately 3 seconds.
The aircraft was at a sharp downward angle of attack, on a direct course for the Pentagon. It was "clean", in as much as, there were no flaps applied and no apparent landing gear deployed. He was slightly left wing down as he appeared in my line of sight, as if he'd just "jinked" to avoid something. As he crossed Route 110 he appeared to level his wings, making a slight right wing slow adjustment as he impacted low on the Westside of the building to the right of the helo, tower and fire vehicle around corridor 5.
http://www.ournetfamily.com/WarOnTerror/emails/pentagonwitness.html

• Donald "Tim" Timmerman, a 36 year old resident of Eppington Drive, to the south of the Pentagon across Interstate 395, is a navy pilot and a photographer.
"I was looking out the window; I live on the 16th floor, overlooking the Pentagon, in a corner apartment, so I have quite a panorama. And being next to National Airport, I hear jets all the time, but this jet engine was way too loud. I looked out to the southwest, and it came right down 395, right over Colombia Pike, and as it went by the Sheraton Hotel, the pilot added power to the engines. I heard it pull up a little bit more, and then I lost it behind a building. And then it came out, and I saw it hit right in front of -- it didn't appear to crash into the building; most of the energy was dissipated in hitting the ground, but I saw the nose break up, I saw the wings fly forward, and then the conflagration engulfed everything in flames. It was horrible.
What can you tell us about the plane itself?
It was a Boeing 757, American Airlines, no question.
You say that it was a Boeing, and you say it was a 757 or 767?
7-5-7.
757, which, of course..
American Airlines.
American Airlines, one of the new generation of jets.
Right. It was so close to me it was like looking out my window and looking at a helicopter. It was just right there. . .
http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0109/11/bn.32.html . .
A CNN on-the-sight reporter was interviewed by a fellow fromCNN :
You got a close-up look at the damage, didn't you?
Yes, I was right next to the building.
And what did you see?
I saw a big, gaping hole and I could see pieces of the plane inside.
Earlier, an eye-witness told us the plane didn't crash into the building.
Well, I don't know what it looked like from where he was, but I looked right inside the hole and I know it crashed into the building.
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/war/spin.htm

• Christopher Munsey, Navy Times reporter , was en route to work.
". . I couldn’t believe what I was now seeing to my right: A silver, twin-engine American Airlines jetliner gliding almost noiselessly over the Navy Annex, fast, low and straight toward the Pentagon, just hundreds of yards away.
The plane, with red and blue markings, hurtled by and within moments
exploded in a ground-shaking “whoomp,”
http://www.navytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-467181.php
• John O’Keefe, 25-year-old Northern Virginia commuter, managing editor of Influence, an American Lawyer Media publication about lobbying was "not much more than a football field away" on
“. saw or heard it first -- this silver plane; I immediately recognized it as an American Airlines jet,”
“It came swooping in over the highway, over my left shoulder, straight across where my car was heading.
http://www.nylawyer.com/news/01/09/091201l.html
• Joel Sucherman, USAToday.com Multimedia Editor, saw it all: an American Airlines jetliner fly left to right across his field of vision as he commuted to work Tuesday morning.
It was highly unusual. The large plane was 20 feet off the ground and a mere 50 to 75 yards from his windshield. Two seconds later and before he could see if the landing gear was down or any of the horror- struck faces inside, the plane slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon 100 yards away.
"My first thought was he's not going to make it across the river to National Airport. But whoever was flying the plane made no attempt to change direction. It was coming in at a high rate of speed, but not at a steep angle--almost like a heat-seeking missile was locked onto its target and staying dead on course."
http://www.eweek.com/article/0,3658,s%253D704%2526a%253D15161,00.asp
"it came screaming across the highway, route 110"
Was it a commercial jet? Do you know how many engines?
"I did not see the engines, I saw the body and the tail; it was a silver jet with the markings along the windows that spoke to me as an American Airlines jet, it was not a commercial, excuse me, a business jet, it was not a lear jet, it was a bigger plane than that.".
• Omar Campo, a Salvadorean, was cutting the grass on the other side of the road when the plane flew over his head.
"It was a passenger plane. I think an American Airways plane," Mr Campo said. "I was cutting the grass and it came in screaming over my head.
A woman driver wanting to exit from Interstate 395 saw
"a commercial plane that came in and was coming too fast and too low amnd the next thing we saw was it go down below the side of the road and we just saw the fire.."
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/day.video.09.html

Brig. Gen. Clyde A. Vaughn, deputy director of military support to civil authorities.
was returning to the Pentagon Sept. 11
returned urgently from a meeting, north along Interstate 395 . While exiting the ramp to the Pentagon he
"was scanning the air. There wasn't anything in the air, except for one airplane, and it looked like it was loitering over Georgetown, in a high, left-hand bank," he said. "That may have been the plane. I have never seen one on that (flight) pattern."
http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/13/pentagon.terrorism
He pulled his car over and sprinted toward the gaping, flaming hole
“It took me four to five minutes to get there,”
http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0901/091401kp1.htm
http://www.dtic.mil/armylink/news/Sep2001/a20010919fireheroes.html

Mark Bright, was the first security officer to arrive at the scene, having actually seen the plane hit the building while manning the guard booth at the Mall Entrance.
"I saw the plane at the Navy Annex area,"
"I knew it was going to strike the building because it was very, very low -- at the height of the street lights. It knocked a couple down."
He said he heard the plane "power-up" just before it struck the Pentagon.
http://www.dcmilitary.com/marines/hendersonhall/6_39/local_news/10797-1.html
Alan Wallace, a 55 year old Fort Myer firefighter was standing with fellow firefighter Mark Skipper, about 200 feet away from the catastrophe, standing outside their fire station. They bith suffered first and second degree burns.
http://www.msnbc.com/news/635293.asp
Wallace described a white airplane with orange and blue trim, heading almost straight at them. "When I felt the fire, I hit the ground,"
http://detnews.com/2001/nation/0109/11/nation-291261.htm
"I just happened to look up and see the plane. It was about 200 yards away, and was coming in low and fast. I told Mark that we needed to get the hell out of there."
Dennis Young, a third fireman at the scene, but inside the fire house, had been one of the first to respond when a Canadian C-130 crashed near Fairbanks, Alaska in 1989.
"I knew from past experience that it was a plane crash."
www.iaff.org/across/news/archives/102401local.html

At a media briefing, Pentagon spokeswoman Torie Clark told the story of Capt. Lincoln Liebner, who was outside the Pentagon when the blast took place. He rushed into the building to help. His hands were burned, and after he was taken away to a hospital for treatment, he returned later in the day to do more.
• Captain Lincoln Liebner, was parking his car at the moment of attack:
'I saw this large American Airlines passenger jet coming in fast and low,' said Army Captain Lincoln Liebner.
'We got one guy out of the fire truck cab,' he said, adding he could hear people crying inside the wreckage.
http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/mnt/html/webspecial/WTC/wtcnews15.html
"I saw this large American Airlines passenger jet coming in fast and low,"
"My first thought was I've never seen one that high. Before it hit I realised what was happening,
Captain Liebner says the aircraft struck a helicopter on the helipad, setting fire to a fire truck.
We got one guy out of the cab," he said, adding he could hear people crying inside the wreckage.
Captain Liebner, who had cuts on his hands from the debris, says he has been parking his car in the car park when the crash occurred.""
http://abc.net.au/news/2001/09/item20010911230953_1.htm
French version:
http://www.cyberpresse.ca/reseau/monde/0109/mon_101090013337.html

• Alfred S. Regnery, president and publisher of Regnery Publishing, Inc., a sister
company of Human Events saw
". . a jetliner, apparently at full throttle and not more than a couple
of hundred yards above the ground, screamed overhead."
http://www.humanevents.org/articles/09-17-01/regnery.html
• Mike Walter, 46, USA Today reporter, said
"I was sitting in the northbound on 27 and the traffic was, you know, typical rush-hour -- it had ground to a standstill. I looked out my window and I saw this plane, this jet, an American Airlines jet, coming. And I thought, 'This doesn't add up, it's really low.'
And I saw it. I mean it was like a cruise missile with wings. It went right there and slammed right into the Pentagon."
http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/11/attack.in.their.words
Sergeant Maurice L. Bease had worked around Marine aviation long enough to know what a fly-by was, and it sounded like one as he stood outside his office near the Pentagon on Sept. 11. Turning around expecting to see a fighter jet fly over, he saw only a split-second glimpse of a white commercial airliner streaking low toward the building, and him! He did not even have time to duck before it plowed into the side of the Pentagon around the corner and about 200 yards from where he stood.
Report by Maj Fred H. Allison, USMCR (Ret):
http://www.mca-marines.org/Leatherneck/nov01pentagonarch.htm
• Afework Hagos, 26, of Arlington, is a computer programmer, a consultant for Nextel. On his way to work he was stuck in a traffic jam on Columbia Pike, near the Pentagon when the plane flew over.
"There was a huge screaming noise and I got out of the car as the plane came over. Everybody was running away in different directions. It was tilting its wings up and down like it was trying to balance. It hit some lampposts on the way in."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/wtccrash/story/0,1300,550486,00.html
. He saw a plane flying very low and close to nearby buildings. "I thought something was coming down on me. I know this plane is going to crash. I've never seen a plane like this so low."
He said he looked at it and saw American Airline insignia and when it made impact with the Pentagon initially he saw smoke, then flames.
http://a188.g.akamaitech.net/f/188/920/5m/www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/metro/daily/sep01/attack.html
Dave Winslow, AP Radio Reporter lives across the street. He saw
."the tail of a large airliner ."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Print/0,3858,4254882,00.html

Eugenio Hernandez, an AP video journalist, was driving by the Pentagon and saw the plane crashing. He borrowed a tourist's video camera began shooting.
http://www.apbroadcast.com/AP+Broadcast/about+us/miscellaneous/in+the+news.htm
Christine Peterson, ’73 found herself in the thick of last month’s terrorist
tragedy, and submitted this report:
". . I was at a complete stop on the road in front of the helipad at the
Pentagon; what I had thought would be a shortcut was as slow as the other
routes I had taken that morning. I looked idly out my window to the left --
and saw a plane flying so low I said, “holy cow, that plane is going to hit
my car” (not my actual words). The car shook as the plane flew over. It
was so close that I could read the numbers under the wing."
http://www.naualumni.com/News/News.cfm?ID=613&c=4
Fred Gaskins, was driving to his job as a national editor at USA TODAY near the Pentagon when the plane passed about 150 feet overhead.
"(The plane) was flying fast and low and the Pentagon was the obvious
target, It was flying very smoothly and calmly, without any hint that
anything was wrong."
• Aydan Kizildrgli, an English language student who is a native of Turkey, saw
the jetliner bank slightly.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001/09/11/attack-usat.htm
• Kirk Milburn, a construction supervisor for Atlantis Co. was on the Arlington National Cemetery exit of Interstate 395.
"I was right underneath the plane. I heard a plane. I saw it. I saw debris flying. I guess it was hitting light poles. It was like a WHOOOSH whoosh, then there was fire and smoke, then I heard a second explosion."
Steve Patterson, is a graphics artist who works at home.in a 14th-floor apartment in Pentagon City. While watching events unfold on TV he saw a silver commuter jet fly past his window about 150 yards away, approaching from the west about 20 feet off the ground,
He said it appeared to him that a commuter jet which appeared to hold about eight to 12 people, headed straight for the Pentagon but was flying as if coming in for a landing on a nonexistent runway.
The plane, which sounded like the high-pitched squeal of a fighter jet, flew over Arlington cemetary so low that he thought it was going to land on I-395.
"at a frightening rate .‚.‚. just slicing into that building." He saw bright orange flames shoot out the back of the building.
John Damoose, a Travis City, Mich. native who was in a meeting said "everybody got nervous. .‚.‚. We didn't know whether to stay inside or go outside. The thing with terrorist attacks is that you don't know what is the next thing that will happen."
He said the worst part was leaving the Pentagon and walking along Fort Meyer Drive, a bike trail, "you could see pieces of the plane."
http://a188.g.akamaitech.net/f/188/920/5m/www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/metro/daily/sep01/attack.html

Father Stephen McGraw was driving to a graveside service at Arlington national Cemetery. McGraw estimates that the plane passed about 20 feet over his car, as he waited on the northbound side of Washington Boulevard.
"I was in the left hand lane with my windows closed. I did not hear anything at all until the plane was just right above our cars."
"The plane clipped the top of a light pole just before it got to us, injuring a taxi driver, whose taxi was just a few feet away from my car.
http://www.dcmilitary.com/army/pentagram/6_39/local_news/10772-1.html
http://www.mdw.army.mil/news/Pentagon_crash_eyewitness_comforted_victims.html
Allen Cleveland of Woodbridge Virginia looked out from a Metro train going to National Airport, to see a jet heading down toward the Pentagon.
"I thought, 'There's no landing strip on that side of the subway tracks,' " Before he could process that thought, he saw "a huge mushroom cloud. A lady staThe lady next to me was in absolute hysterics."
" . . a silver pasenger jet, mid sized"
http://mfile.akamai.com/920/rm/thepost.download.akamai.com/920/nation/091101-5s.ram
http://www.newsbytes.com/news/01/170005.html

Meseidy Rodriguez confirms "it was a mid size plane".
Oscar Martinez ``.. saw a big jet flying close to the building coming at full speed. There was a big noise when it hit the building,'' said , who witnessed the attack.
http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/11_APdc.html
Ron Turner, the Navy’s deputy chief information officer, was standing at a funeral at Arlington National Cemetery:
“There was a huge fireball, followed by the [usual] black cloud of a fuel burn.”
“It reminded me of being back in Vietnam, watching Tan Son Nhut Air Base burn.”
http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0901/091301j3.htm
ARFF fire Crews reported fires on every floor of the "D" and "E" rings. The aircraft had penetrated all the way to the "C" ring.
"The only way you could tell that an aircraft was inside was that we saw pieces of the nose gear.
http://www.nfpa.org/NFPAJournal/OnlineExclusive/Exclusive_11_01_01/exclusive_11.01.01.asp
Ken Ford, a State Department employee, watched from the 15th floor of the State Department Annex,just across the Potomac River from the Pentagon.
We were watching the airport through binoculars, Ford said, referring to Reagan National Airport, a short distance away.The plane was a two-engine turbo prop that flew up the river from National. Then it turned back toward the Pentagon.We thought
it had been waved off and then it hit the building.
Daniel and Cynthia McAdams said they were sitting in their kitchen
drinking coffee in their third-floor condominium in Arlington,Va.,just two miles from the Pentagon when they heard a plane fly directly over head around 9:45 a.m. It was unusually loud and low.
http://www.delawareonline.com/newsjournal/local/2001/09/pdf/09112001EXTRA2.pdf
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/world/2001/0912/wor5.htm
Steve Riskus, steveriskus@aol.com wrote:
I took these pictures less then 1 minutes after I watched the american airlines 757 airplane crash into the pentagon on september 11 2001. I left shortly after the picture were taken in fear of further attacks.
Feel free to contact me anytime if you have questions about my pictures.
I did acctually see the plane impact the building.
http://www.criticalthrash.com/terror/crashthumbnails.html
Mickey Bell, an electrical contractor's foreman was working to renovate the second and third floors. Outside, and less than 100 feet from the initial impact of the plane, he was very nearly struck by one of the wings as they sped by him. He had just left the project trailer (that exploded) when he heard a loud noise. The next thing he recalled was picking himself off the floor, where he had been thrown by the blast.
He got into his truck, parked in the trailer compound, and sped away. Plastic and rivets from an airplane were later found imbedded in its sheet metal
http://www.necanet.org/whats_new/report.cfm?ID=1003:
http://www.ecmag.com/industrynews/index.cfm?fuseaction=view&art_id=1115
"We went out to look at his truck and the truckbed was filled with all kinds of debris that must have come from the blast. He's one really lucky guy,"
Wayne T. Day, President of ' Kirlin', Rockville MD, says
"We had one guy who was standing, looking out the window and saw the plane when it was coming in. He was in front of one of the blast- resistant windows,"
http://www.designbuildmag.com/oct2001/pentagon1001.asp
Steve Snaman, manager of the datacom division for Walker Seals, watched from Fort McNair (across the river) as the jetliner came in low at full throttle, banked left and smashed into the wall of the Pentagon.
http://www.ecmag.com/industrynews/index.cfm?fuseaction=view&art_id=1117

Compiled impartially,
( with compliments especially to Steve Riskus )
by UK resident Ron Harvey,

last updated March 2002,

9:08 a.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wes - *amen* back. At the risk of flogging a dead animal.. I'll admit to optimism - If I have to step away and self-analyze, I'm tempted to say it appears to be a better survival strategy. Just my opinion, and I can sit around all day making note of things that seem to be getting better (despite an iron boot on our faces) - just off the top of my head, how the bloggers handled the whole Diebold thing at last election-time.. In my opinion, electronic voting just makes vot fraud much easier - I remember raising issues of voting integrity about 15 years ago, just to be "pshaw"-ed. So to me, improvement. I acknowledge it MIGHT be too little to late - but if there was not a MIGHT NOT flipside to that, there is no point in "thinking outside the barrel".

I just wanted to commend your plan, and chime in that the scientific method, math, and logic ("amongst our weaponry") don't lie, and even though they can be used to deceive, the same tools can be used to demonstrate that deception. I fully believe there is a toolbox that will let us dissect and fully understand what is going on. To that end, when I read stuff like what Jeff quoted from the letsroll911 site, I can only shudder and think about the UFO cults in Vallee's Messengers of Deception. Though I don't buy the government's story, I see a lot of very questionable activity in the 9/11 movements.

9:47 a.m.  
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"The two are responsible for the aggressive dissemination of the ludicrous pod-and-missile theory."

There's nothing ludicrous there.

Some of your own blinder's Jeff are the most fascinating thing about your blog because they are so, well, capricous.

You can

1. watch a bit of the information/data in the movie In Plane Site, or

2. see static images here:

http://www.rense.com/misslepod.JPG

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