Tuesday, February 21, 2006

"Grave mysteries" (Part One)



"Aye! listen to the numbers & the words." - The Book of the Law

I've given a lot of space here - some say too much - to Aleister Crowley, the occult and High Weirdness. I'm going to give some more now, because maybe it will help explain why.

The cipher, the Nine, the whole damn thing

In 1904 Crowley and his first wife, Rose, traveled to Egypt for their honeymoon. While visiting the King's Chamber of the Great Pyramid, Crowley recited the "preliminary invocation" of the Goetia: the occult ritual of "low magic" to bind demons to a sorcerer's will. When the two returned to their hotel room in Cairo, Rose entered a trance state and began murmuring "They are waiting for you," along with "similar urgent but unintelligible phrases" according to Robert Anton Wilson in Cosmic Triggers vol. I. Wilson continues:

Crowley did not like this at all, since it is typical of the uncontrolled, quasi-hysterical trances of spiritualist mediums (whom he despised) and lacked the elements of willed concentration and rational control that he demanded of his magick experiments. Nonetheless, despite his attempts to banish the phenomenon, it kept coming back, and finally, in one of Rose's trances, Crowley set a series of tests for the alleged communicating entity. He asked Rose, for instance, to describe the aura of the being, and she said "deep blue"; he asked the character of the being, and she said "force and fire"; he asked her to pick the being from drawings of ten Egyptian gods, and she picked Horus. She also identified Horus' planet (Mars), and so forth for a series of similar questions. Crowley then calculated the odds against her being right in all cases.... The chance of her guessing right on the whole series by chance was, mathematically, 1/21,168,000. [Crowley claimed that at this point, Rose was ignorant of both Egyptology and the occult.]

The next day Crowley took Rose to the Boulak Museum and asked her to identify the communicating intelligence from the collection of statues and art. She stopped at a stele depicting the goddess Nuit bending over a winged globe, the hawk-headed Horus and a temple priest. "This is the one," she said, pointing at Horus. The museum had catalogued the item no. 666, a detail not lost on Crowley. He decided he'd seen enough, and back at the hotel entered a light trance and over three days, beginning precisely at noon each day, "took dictation" from an entity named "Aiwass" of The Book of the Law, also known as Liber Al, the founding scripture of Thelema and the declaration of the Aeon of Horus, the "Crowned and Conquering Child."

Near the end of Crowley's manuscript appears a cipher: a page of text divided by a grid with a diagonal line running through it, and a "rosy cross" coincidentally evocative of the sign of the Zodiac Killer, who also communicated in cipher. The text addresses Crowley, telling him he would never be able to crack the code, but that one who was to follow him would.

It took a while, but the cipher was finally cracked in the mid-1970s, and The Book of the Law finally became the base text for Thelema's "English Qaballa": a system of decryption that assigns numerical values to words, following the principles of Gematria as applied to the Torah and the Midrash in the Hebrew Kabbalah.

Now, here's where it gets interesting.

Allen H Greenfield, a holder of high office in the Ordo Templi Orientis and affiliated with the Lovecraftian Green Abyss Lodge and the Esoteric Order of the Dragon, is also a veteran UFO researcher held in high regard by the never easily impressed James Moseley. As an "idle experiment," Greenfield began applying to the cipher the bizarre names from UFO contactee events and trance channelling. (Recall the UFO phenomenon exploded in 1947, the year of Crowley's death.) What Greenfield found suggested trans-human intelligences were using occult cipher to encode packets of meaning into seeming nonsense for high human initiates. (An interview with Greenfield can be read here.)

Let's take, for instance, Indrid Cold: the name of the unearthly figure haunting West Virginia in the mid-60s during the Mothman flap. "Indrid Cold" has a numerical value of 112, which resolves in the "English Qaballa" to "We are one." Greenfield notes in his Secret Cipher of the UFOnauts that Keel, author of The Mothman Prophecies, writing before the cipher was broken and the value of Cold's name was discovered, observed that "We are one" was a "touchstone for a thousand New Age contact cults in the 1960s and 1970s."

(Greenfield doesn't mention "the Nine," the supposed Great Egyptian Ennead reconnecting with humanity through trance mediumships, but typical of their communications are declarations such as, "We are nine principles of the Universe, yet together we are one.")

Cold appeared occasionally with a companion named "Carl Ardo," which has a cipher value of 54. This is the Qaballistic equivalent of "Set" and "snake." Their alleged homeworld of "Lanulus" has the value of 58, which resolves to "Hawk's head," suggesting Horus. And 54 and 58 again equals 112: "We are one."

"Lam," Crowley's prototypical "grey alien" he was to sketch "from life" during a later occult working, has the value of 24, or "god"; Sirius = 85 = "of our Lady"; Philip K Dick's VALIS = 41 = "her" (or "Vast Active Living Intelligence System" = 515 = "I am life and the giver of life to every star"); George Adamski's "Orthon," a long-haired "space visitor" calling for peace on Earth, resolves to 68, which equals "Jesus"; and "Men in Black" = 142 = "They pass as shadows."

Greenfield doesn't suggesting that Lam is God, or Orthon is Jesus. Rather that the cipher "uses the name or keyword for those in the know to examine and find a curious correspondence, pointing the way to whatever the essence of the encounter is."

It's late; more later.

155 Comments:

Blogger high talker said...

I have longed believed that "magyck"involving incantations could work by the subtle manipulation of frequencies the same way repeating mantras can set you off in to a trance - but has it been proved to work? can supernatural events be caused to occur simply by repeating words or phrases? I would love to know and more than that if it can be proved learn how to do it myself.
I have to say sitting in my office in London the first thing I do when logged on is to check for any new posts on R.I- a superb site writen by a truely enlightened soul

4:36 AM  
Anonymous Sepka the Space Weasel said...

I've given a lot of space here - some say too much - to Aleister Crowley, the occult and High Weirdness.

Personally, I wish you'd give up on the dodgy politics, and concentrate on fascinating things like this. I actually learn things from this blog and associated bulletin board. I have to wade through literally pages of you and others fulminating about George Bush to get to the good stuff, but it's worth it for posts like this.

-Sepka the Space Weasel

4:51 AM  
Anonymous jules said...

"We are one"

I had some magic mushrooms and tripped pretty hard once, during the full peak I remember alot of high weirdness. It ended with me snapping back to reality with the words "we are one" in my head.

The last image I remember was an image of something hard to describe, but there is a picture in a big thick version of the bagavad gita, that to me sums up the experience.

It is called "The Universal Form".

It is in a version with commentry by some hindu guru, english translation, the original in Sanscrit and whatever else you wanted. There were colour plates, the image was one, most profound, but I gave the copy to my brother 2 weeks ago and he is 1000 miles away now, so I don't have the publishing details.

The image conveys more than words can about ambiguity, power etc etc

"We are one"

6:30 AM  
Anonymous p said...

If one investigates genuine QBL, one finds that the gematria of Hebrew are far more "interlocking" or "interconnected" than Crowley's made-up English gematria.

Do you know why Thelemites spell "magick" with a "k"? To make the numbers come out right. Ex post facto. The Crowleyian gematria is a simulacrum of the old stuff, IMO.

p.s. jules?

8:49 AM  
Blogger Pete said...

Speaking of Bush Sr.,
He was on C-Span last night sitting for a laudatory interview with Barb in some dinky Houston auditorium. When they were asked how people can overcome atomizing technologies and reconnect on a personal level, they Both couldn't help but reveal a sinister pre-occupation unrelated to the question! H.W. remarked that he doesn't write letters, and he deletes his e-mails so that somebody wont "find his server," (I bet!). He lamented that historians wont know what presidents were thinking. As galling as that was, Barb jumped in with an exquisitely awkward moment by offering "People can say all kinds of things about you on the internet and it simply isn't true." I guess the rule applies regardless of whether your a journalist about to be suicided or a hack working for Mellon/Scaife. I never thought I'd get to see them squirm in their chairs while we each pondered the the crimes of the father; drugs, pedophilia, war profiteering, bank embezzlement, aggression... As the list played in our minds, you could tell that George couldn't fathom why Barb would even 'go there.'

10:10 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jeff, I wonder if you'd care to make a statement re: your own practice of magick, if any. It's beginning, I think, to matter. You clearly have the knowledge and energy - and certainly the library - to take up magick, and I wonder if you're beginning to feel motivated to do so.
Speaking (anonymously) for myself, I've dabbled, seen enough results to know magick 'works', but haven't yet found the discipline, nerve or circumstances to take it very far.
I can't be the only reader who senses a direction to these posts, perhaps some sort of call to arms or manifesto brewing. And I can't be the only one wanting to know more about the seemingly indefatigable writer at work.
Your move, Jeff.

10:40 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

don't forget John Nash!

This is a guy who the movie "Beautiful Mind" was made about. The movie takes some liberties though, claiming that he thought he was cracking Russian codes. His actual delusion I have heard were that the codes were of extraterrestrial origin:

"*The movie portrays Nash imagining himself breaking Russian codes and being a heroic undercover agent for the government. But the book shows that his delusions were more often dominated by messages from extraterrestrials that were buried in newspapers, and by aliens who "recruited" Nash from outer space to save the world"

http://www.holtuncensored.com/members/column294.html
(sorry for a lame source...I am having a hard time finding a better one, but I am pretty sure its true, I've heard it numerous times)

11:16 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

While standing at the magazine rack in my local bookstore the other day, I picked up the new "Entertainment Weekly" and found a review for Ray Davies new CD "Other People's Lives" on page 61.

Later, while at my local 'Stop and Shop', I was browsing through the new 'Rolling Stone' and found another review for Ray's CD - on page 61.

Sensing the onset of creepiness, I quickly calculated that Ray, having been born on June 21, 1944, was ..... yikes!....... 61 years old!

And then the Twilight Zone music started playing.

What could this mean?

11:40 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You might as well ask me to believe in the Rapture as this bullshit. Ex post facto, indeed.

I come here for the Bush bashing, unlike the previous commentor. Nothing in this post, unlike nearly all the others I've read here, made sense.

I guess I just don't 'get it', then.

11:43 AM  
Anonymous Richard said...

Here's a bit from your other 'favorite occultist'
L. Ron Hubbard:

http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Commentary/Scientology.htm

In a 1983 Penthouse interview, L. Ron Hubbard Jr. stated that he was born prematurely after his father botched an abortion attempt on his mother. He claims that his father used copious quantities of drugs and even witnessed him injecting cocaine. Hubbard Jr. has stated, “I believed in Satanism. There was no other religion in our house! What a lot of people don’t realize is that Scientology is black magic spread out over a long time period. It’s stretched out over a lifetime and you don’t see it. Black magic is the inner core of Scientology and it is probably the only part that really works. Also, you’ve got to understand that my father did not worship Satan. He thought he was Satan.” Ron Hubbard Jr. also claimed that his father practiced something called ‘soul-cracking.’ Hubbard Sr. would apparently beat his many mistresses and shoot them full of drugs in order to reach a state whereby, like a psychic hammer, he would break their souls and allow demonic powers to pour through them. Junior also declared that the Scientology Operating Thetan techniques do the same thing.

& there's this from The Three Imposters by Arthur Machen, one of Crowley's fellow Golden Dawners:

More particularly I became convinced that much of the folklore of the world is but an exaggerated account of events that really happened, and I was especially drawn to consider the stories of the fairies, the good folk of the Celtic races. Here i thought i could detect the fringe of embroidery and exaggeration, the fantastic guise, the little people dressed in green and gold sporting in the flowers, and I thought I saw a distinct analogy between the name given to this race and the description of their appearance and manners. Just as our remote ancestors called the dreadful beings "fair" and "good" precisely because they dreaded them, so they had dressed them up in charming forms, knowing the truth to be the very reverse. Literature, too, had gone early to work, and had lent a powerful hand i the transformation, so that the playful elves of Shakespeare are already far removed from the original, and the real horror is disguised in a form of prankish mischief. But in the older tales, the stories that used to make men cross themselves as they sat around the burning logs, we tread a different stage; I saw a widely opposed spirit in certain histories of children and of men and women who vanished strangely from the earth. They would be seen by a peasant in the fields walking towards some green and rounded hillock, and seen no more on earth; and there are stories of mothers who have left a child quietly sleeping, with the cottage door rudely barred with a piece of wood, and have returned, not to find the plump and rosy little Saxon, but a thin and wizened creature, with sallow skin and black, piercing eyess, the child of another race. Then, again, there were myths darker still; the dread of witch and wizard, the lurid evil of the Sabbath, and the hint of demons who mingled with the daughters of men. And just as we have turned the terrible "fair folk" into a company of benignant, if freakish, elves, so we have hidden from us the black foulness of the witch and her companions under a popular diablerie of old women and broomsticks and a comic cat with tail on end. So the Greeks called the hideous furies benevolent ladies, and thus the northern nations have followed their example.

12:00 PM  
Anonymous starroute said...

Codes and symbols are the language in which the unconscious speaks to consciousness.

Left brain, right brain. Day world, night world. We live in two realities simultaneously that aren't completely compatible, but we have to try to make them match up.

The unconscious is the wiser in many ways, but it can have a problem with getting information through to where it can be acted upon. Posing as gods or aliens is one of the things it does to try to catch our (conscious) attention.

Crowley's cipher may be half-assed compared to the more subtle Hebrew or Arabic systems, but it it does the job it's needed for, then it's good enough.

If politics is the day world and the occult the night world, then our real problem is figuring out how to match them up and make them come out even. I don't think Jeff is all the way there -- for one thing, he tends to focus far too much on the oooh-scary side of things. And it may never be possible to get an exact match. (I suspect that's the real meaning of "squaring the circle." You can approximate it, but you can never get it perfect because pi is an irrational number.)

But that doesn't mean it's not worth aiming for. And Jeff is one of the rare folks who is willing to weigh both sides evenly.

12:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Crowley was the person who introduced the western world to the Tarot. He did something else with it that I've always considered quite sinister. He changed the order of cards 8 (Justice) and 11 (Strength). Most tarot decks follow his lead and I'm sure it's WRONG. He put Strength, often shown as a woman with a lion, ahead of Justice, often shown as the scales of justice. Why?

12:15 PM  
Anonymous Richard said...

Here's a bit from your other 'favorite occultist'
L. Ron Hubbard:

http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Commentary/Scientology.htm

In a 1983 Penthouse interview, L. Ron Hubbard Jr. stated that he was born prematurely after his father botched an abortion attempt on his mother. He claims that his father used copious quantities of drugs and even witnessed him injecting cocaine. Hubbard Jr. has stated, “I believed in Satanism. There was no other religion in our house! What a lot of people don’t realize is that Scientology is black magic spread out over a long time period. It’s stretched out over a lifetime and you don’t see it. Black magic is the inner core of Scientology and it is probably the only part that really works. Also, you’ve got to understand that my father did not worship Satan. He thought he was Satan.” Ron Hubbard Jr. also claimed that his father practiced something called ‘soul-cracking.’ Hubbard Sr. would apparently beat his many mistresses and shoot them full of drugs in order to reach a state whereby, like a psychic hammer, he would break their souls and allow demonic powers to pour through them. Junior also declared that the Scientology Operating Thetan techniques do the same thing.

& there's this from The Three Imposters by Arthur Machen, one of Crowley's fellow Golden Dawners:

More particularly I became convinced that much of the folklore of the world is but an exaggerated account of events that really happened, and I was especially drawn to consider the stories of the fairies, the good folk of the Celtic races. Here i thought i could detect the fringe of embroidery and exaggeration, the fantastic guise, the little people dressed in green and gold sporting in the flowers, and I thought I saw a distinct analogy between the name given to this race and the description of their appearance and manners. Just as our remote ancestors called the dreadful beings "fair" and "good" precisely because they dreaded them, so they had dressed them up in charming forms, knowing the truth to be the very reverse. Literature, too, had gone early to work, and had lent a powerful hand i the transformation, so that the playful elves of Shakespeare are already far removed from the original, and the real horror is disguised in a form of prankish mischief. But in the older tales, the stories that used to make men cross themselves as they sat around the burning logs, we tread a different stage; I saw a widely opposed spirit in certain histories of children and of men and women who vanished strangely from the earth. They would be seen by a peasant in the fields walking towards some green and rounded hillock, and seen no more on earth; and there are stories of mothers who have left a child quietly sleeping, with the cottage door rudely barred with a piece of wood, and have returned, not to find the plump and rosy little Saxon, but a thin and wizened creature, with sallow skin and black, piercing eyess, the child of another race. Then, again, there were myths darker still; the dread of witch and wizard, the lurid evil of the Sabbath, and the hint of demons who mingled with the daughters of men. And just as we have turned the terrible "fair folk" into a company of benignant, if freakish, elves, so we have hidden from us the black foulness of the witch and her companions under a popular diablerie of old women and broomsticks and a comic cat with tail on end. So the Greeks called the hideous furies benevolent ladies, and thus the northern nations have followed their example.

12:22 PM  
Blogger Jeff said...

Jeff, I wonder if you'd care to make a statement re: your own practice of magick, if any.

I don't practice and have no intention to. It's not for me. My study of the subject remains academic and parapolitical. (And so, I suppose a practioner may say I'll never really get it, but that's the choice I make.)

12:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't practice and have no intention to. It's not for me. My study of the subject remains academic and parapolitical.

But... if you're right, and we're approaching some sort of culmination of dark magick, an irrevocable and unpleasant intrusion of ultras into our plane (which is what I see as the logical conclusion of the pieces you're assembling) then what do we do?

RAW, whom you quote, certainly dove in and by all accounts seems to have led a long and fairly sunny life, suggesting that magick can have an optimistic, 'good' side. I would also cite Lon Milo Duquette as an admirable magickian, one who's used the powers without going over to the dark side. So maybe magick is neutral, and what really matters is how it's being used, and by who. Maybe what's really needed is a legion of non-sicko mages.

12:49 PM  
Anonymous Avalon said...

Jeff, I'd like you to tackle in your continuation
a problem I'm seeing in the cipher equivalents you are showing as examples.

They are all highly charged memes that are relevant to a certain group of related cultural
concepts. But given what you show, they are all bullseyes, though simultaneously vague enough to fit a lot of different associations.

Are there some neutral numbers that mean things like "half pound of pastrami" "hold the mayo" "oh, sorry, I was wrong" or "Elvis impersonator" that can make the cipher identifications meaningful by comparison?

If all the names you numericize turn out to have cool cosmic equivalents, it's like giving every 8 year old on the soccer team a trophy to thank them for playing.

1:26 PM  
Blogger Jonathan said...

In case anyone's interested, Allen Greenfield's books, Secret Cipher of the UFOnauts and Secret Rituals of the Men in Black have been re-issued recently, at:

http://www.lulu.com/ManutiusLight

also

http://www.manutiuspress.com

I have completely re-set both books, added art and other stuff.

1:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

by the way, you can get those greenfield books in print or download at www.manutiuspress.com.

1:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

wow, looks like someone beat me to it! sorry about that.

2:02 PM  
Blogger Jeff said...

Avalon, that's a good point. I haven't done any cipher work myself (there's a program called "Lexicon" that is said to be the best for this, but I can't find a working copy online), and the only examples I have draw from Greenfield's work, which doesn't include "hold the mayo"-like examples. The closest I've seen may be the numerical interpretation of "Qabalistic Alchemist Arcanum," an order started by the OTO's "Frater Robertus," a high-order Freemason and Rosicrucian, to continue the Qabalistic work of Crowley's successor at the OTO, "Frater Achad." "Qabalistic Alchemist Arcanum" has a value of 345, which equals "Lesbians + Lesbianism + Sapphism." And "Frater Robertus" has a value of 214, or "sodomy secretions." But Greenfield accounts for these valuations by saying "These terms are consistent with the inner secret teachings of the Great White Brotherhood. The terms also provide a clue, as noted, as to how to do battle with the UFOnauts. As others have remarked, UFOnauts frequently use bizarre forms of sexuality in their physical examinations or probes on humans, in order to obtain certain secretions of a physical, emotional and even spiritual nature." (The relevant excerpt from Greenfield's book can be read here.)

2:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

More parapolitics please. Personally, I find this kind of stuff only mildly interesting, and then only to the extent that other people actually take it seriously. More frequently, though, I'm reminded of one of my favorite quotes of Jacques Vallee, "Just because a message comes from heaven doesn't mean it isn't stupid."

3:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

11.55 QC 45 x OB: TWO EAT 21xV Kow..... HQ WCI 24-42-24, and furthermore, 25-34-52. it all makes sense too

3:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Speaking (anonymously) for myself, I've dabbled, seen enough results to know magick 'works', but haven't yet found the discipline, nerve or circumstances to take it very far."

Some opinions on Magic(k):

I have "dabbled" (actually a bit more than that). I am not convinced that magic(k) affects anything "out there," but I am *very* convinced that it can have *very* powerful effects on your own consciousness. I would call it the "art of brain hacking," to use modern terminology. I think this explains why black ops types are so interested in it. I don't think there's anything good or evil about it. It's an art (not quite a science) that could be used for either.

Secondly, I must reiterate, it can be powerful stuff. I am still working through the effects of my first brush with it. Be careful. You can drive yourself insane or you can get yourself... err... locked into a course. That's part of what magic(k) does. It's a way of affecting your consciousness so as to set yourself off on courses; to change channels. It's hard to explain. Be careful that you exercise at least some discretion about what channels you change to and what courses you embark upon.

Crowley actually talks about this a lot-- about not ascribing too much reality or veractity to the things that you "contact." I think if you do, you go crazy. Being skeptical is essentially how you control these things. Skepticism is like the "circle of art," metaphorically speaking. Don't let them get out of the circle. :)

That will be all.

4:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you want to find messages in ordinary words and phrases but without all the ooh-scary atmospherics, try Anagram Genius.

http://www.anagramgenius.com/

4:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

sigh. when i came across the phrase "Azure Lidded Woman" via one of the english qabbalah links in the article, my eyes glazed over. i recalled the novel Focault's Pendulum, by whatsisname, where (paraphrasing) one of the character mentions that if you measured any random piece of furniture (desk? table? ), all the heights, lengths, widths, nooks, etc., and basically did enough comparisons and looking for correlations, you'd be able to link it to all sorts of things--Egyptology, Jesus, end of the world...add this to that, and take away 12 (disciples) or add 666, or whatever... you will always come up with something, ie "men in black" = "they pass as shadows". or ""I am Nuit, and my number is six and fifty" Applying the EQ to the text reveals that Nuit =78. Naturally, 7 multiplied by 8 = 56, precisely Six and fifty and is equal to the value of "Isis". --But why naturally multiply? why not add? why the goofy english? it all comes back to the "i know the secret, you don't" power posturing. i know the code, i know latin, i know the handshake. c'mon. any real spiritual ideas of any significance have nothing to do with secrecy. (oh wait, this is black magic. sorry, magick. maybe "different it is" which equals 171, which means "why do all numerical spiritual code things sound like Yoda on crack?".)Let's not forget that not too long ago some researchers studying some ancient texts realized that the number 666 had, in fact, been incorrectly recorded/translated, and that the number of the beast was really 627 or 607 or something like that. bet all those satanists with 666 tatoos are feeling silly now. nothing left to do but murmur "In it's failure, is a key also." And will someone please tell me a number that doesn't mean anything? yawn.

4:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

oh, and will someone please english qabbalah the markovian parallax denigrate? cuz you know, maybe it'll reveal how many klicks it is to Orion, or whatever. Or how to cheat when playing bridge with the freemasons

4:26 PM  
Anonymous Dugoboy said...

i am of the opposite opinion, sepka the space weasel. you may not know it, but what jeff has to about what you called dodgy politics (infering jeff has no idea what he's talking about) is actually not too far from the truth.

also from what i gather, jeff is suggesting those people who are in power, practice these occult rituals. i.e. they believe (whether its true or not) that these rituals, beliefs and concepts grant them powers.

and what it goes on to say is that the PTB (powers that be) and the public have two very diametric view points and thusly DIFFERENT interests.

and that my friend is more of an immediate problem.

but i need to make clear, i'm not saying i hate posts like this one or 'the colour out of space', absolutely not. these posts are very critical in understanding a myriad of other real problems..which are growing.

4:34 PM  
Blogger Effwit said...

The trolls are displaying their lack of personal experience, like:
"oh, and will someone please english qabbalah the markovian parallax denigrate? cuz you know, maybe it'll reveal how many klicks it is to Orion, or whatever. Or how to cheat when playing bridge with the freemasons" 4:26EST

and that dipshit quoting Eco. 4:22EST

The voice here worth listening to is the poor SOB who is still recovering from his/her dealings with magick:

I have "dabbled" (actually a bit more than that). I am not convinced that magic(k) affects anything "out there," but I am *very* convinced that it can have *very* powerful effects on your own consciousness. I would call it the "art of brain hacking," to use modern terminology. I think this explains why black ops types are so interested in it. I don't think there's anything good or evil about it. It's an art (not quite a science) that could be used for either.

Secondly, I must reiterate, it can be powerful stuff. I am still working through the effects of my first brush with it. Be careful. You can drive yourself insane or you can get yourself... err... locked into a course. That's part of what magic(k) does. It's a way of affecting your consciousness so as to set yourself off on courses; to change channels.


He/She is basically right. Magick works on the person conducting the experiment or operation. Not on anything "out there" per se.

Although a whole bunch of people in The Tower (or War) on 9-11 might give you a different answer.

4:41 PM  
Anonymous Dugoboy said...

wow i screwed that first part up BADLY, it should read:

i am of the opposite opinion, sepka the space weasel. you may not know it, but what jeff has to say about what you called dodgy politics and infering jeff has no idea what he's talking about, when in fact what he is saying is actually not too far from the truth.

4:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Magick works on the person conducting the experiment or operation. Not on anything "out there" per se.

Well, you wouldn't know it from some of the stuff you read around here.

As for the towers, humans did that. A conspiracy of humans, occultists or not.

5:02 PM  
Anonymous Dugoboy said...

i question whether what these fools do, honestly, to their own consciences has anything to do with wrecking a normal balance in a metaphysical universe you can't really know of unless your in a trance like state. maybe all that it is that people remark of (like concepts of 'we are all one') its more like scraping at the edges of the very laws of the universe, because of course we are all one, on all planes, in material sense (big bang), and thusly everything else from there.

i am of the inclination 'magick' is all of the mind, for without the mind (brain) there is no sensation of the expierence of that which we call magick.

5:03 PM  
Blogger Et in Arcadia ego said...

This is one of your best posts, hands down, I feel. Your talent as a writer and researcher in drawing new connections between seemingly unassosicated phenomenon is without parrallel.

Contributions of questionable merit:

A - We are One:

Also attributed to Legion, cast by Jesus from a possessed man into a herd of cattle that threw itself over a cliff, if I recall.
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B - The Zodiac Killer:

This one's a real sweet spot to see contextually appear here. I spent a good amount of time researching the Zodiac(my oldest posts here used the nick 'this is the Zodiac speaking'). The fascination experienced when studying the Zodiac Killer history is to me an extreme example of 'going tharn'..

There was very clearly a pure genius at work here, but something had gone severely wrong.

Why is the United States the bedrock for Humanity's 'Serial' Killers? Given what we know from discussions here, was the Zodiac a rogue from the crew?

Several years ago I spoke with a veteran Homicide Lieutenant who after much discussion of other 'serials', told me that the true identity of the Zodiac was known to the authorities, but they lacked enough substantial evidence to make an arrest. He then told me that the Zodiac was picked up, confronted, told he would be killed if he ever acted again, and was then released. I was told this in 1998, and the man I spoke to told me that the Zodiac was still alive.

I can't prove, of course, that what he said was true, but I also can't prove that the conversation ever happened.

Situations like this one exemplify the inherent failings of the internet, and are truly frustrating.

As you know from our private communications, I have both dabbled deliberately and put my foot in it (literally speaking). In both cases, I paid the price of my folly in spades.

I've had an interesting life.

Life itself is interesting. Very.

I spent most of my life with my ear to the ground, just paying attention to things around me.

Till the internet, I thought I was one of the very few. If I cut loose with all the weird shit I've picked up through the course of my life, I have little to no doubt that I'd be called out for a disinfo agent, but I'm just a worn-out tatttoo artist that has spent most of my life watching the walls crumble.

Drug abuse, abusive lifestyle in general choked with apathy, these things were a typical reaction from me for almost 20 years till I found people like you.

Despite the encouragement that comes with establishing community, I still come to failing in how best to come to terms with the things that are unearthed. The dead weight of High Wierdness literally forces me into these apathetic retreats that are nothing short of a coping mechanism.

The bottom line is this:

What is to be done with this knowledge?

When we cast them out, who among us will assume the mantle they once wore?

I do indeed hope you stay outside of active practice with Magick. I would hope that the many, MANY consequences you have shared and learned from others like myself that whatever the gains, it simply can't be worth the cost.

Who wants to become what they hate? I truly despise the High Weirdness, I don't want it in my Universe. I've frequently said here burn em all, but is the hatred/fear motivated by coveting or the realization that they're just plain DOING SOMETHING WRONG?

Do you destroy knowledge, or take it for your own? Not just you or me, but all of us.

I'm like the betrayer in the Matrix, he just wants to get back to the simple life, but there never was one to begin with. I'm incapable of decieving myself with such notions.

Sorry for the self-indulgent post; I was forced to take a long break when my machine died, and this blog post here is very provocative for me.

How you sustain yourself in the face of madness is beyond me. I respect you a great deal and in the same breath ponder if you're the anti-christ.

I'm sure you understand what I mean.

Take care,
D

5:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"the stars are matter
we are matter
it doesn't matter"

-don van vliet, aka "Capt. Beefheart"

5:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is that you, Jeff, or are you channeling Edward Hoagland? Because it looks like you're saying we can fight the Nazi UFO's by hypnotizing ourselves with crossword puzzles. And that doesn't exactly ring true to me.

By all means expose the method, but please don't join the cult.

7:10 PM  
Blogger Jeff said...

I do indeed hope you stay outside of active practice with Magick.

No danger of that. I'm sure there are honourable practioners whose experience hasn't been all darkness, but magick's at least as much about what's in here as what's out there, and what's in here says don't go there. Also, I think there's a magickal conceit, as there is a scientific conceit, that if something works it should be pursued. I think this has invited all kinds of trouble for humanity that shouldn't have been ours.

hypnotizing ourselves with crossword puzzles

No, I'm only interested in exposing method. I think we're less likely to be hypnotized the closer we watch the magicians. And cryptography figures huge in both the Intelligence and the occult communities, both of which are dominated by members of secret societies speaking in code and symbol.

7:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's not forget that not too long ago some researchers studying some ancient texts realized that the number 666 had, in fact, been incorrectly recorded/translated, and that the number of the beast was really 627 or 607 or something like that. bet all those satanists with 666 tatoos are feeling silly now. nothing left to do but murmur "In it's failure, is a key also." And will someone please tell me a number that doesn't mean anything? yawn.

I think the number you're grasping for here is "616".

7:41 PM  
Blogger smiths said...

if you read on through the page jeff linked to describing the 'cracking' of the code, you find that you can work it out in all sorts of ways,
use first letters of words, or last letters,
reverse words, or numbers,
add them in different ways,
its brilliant,
you just manipulate things until you get to what you wanted from the start,
so you could get 'pass the mayo',
but you fuck around with it until it says,
'dark wings move' or 'ickibod must die'

8:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you just manipulate things until you get to what you wanted from the start,

Yeah, or what your guru/handler wanted from the start...

9:17 PM  
Anonymous Richard said...

Here's an excellent article from the folks at Consortium.com about the coming American Gulag state.

Scary stuff.

http://consortiumnews.com/2006/022106a.html

Plus, there was that curious development in January when the Army Corps of Engineers awarded Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg Brown & Root a $385 million contract to construct detention centers somewhere in the United States, to deal with “an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs,” KBR said. [Market Watch, Jan. 26, 2006]

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Vietnam-era whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg said, “Almost certainly this is preparation for a roundup after the next 9/11 for Mid-Easterners, Muslims and possibly dissenters. They’ve already done this on a smaller scale, with the ‘special registration’ detentions of immigrant men from Muslim countries, and with Guantanamo.”

Labor Camps

There also was another little-noticed item posted at the U.S. Army Web site, about the Pentagon’s Civilian Inmate Labor Program. This program “provides Army policy and guidance for establishing civilian inmate labor programs and civilian prison camps on Army installations.”

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Despite the Posse Comitatus Act’s prohibitions against U.S. military personnel engaging in domestic law enforcement, the Pentagon has expanded its operations beyond previous boundaries, such as its role in domestic surveillance activities.

The Washington Post has reported that since the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks, the Defense Department has been creating new agencies that gather and analyze intelligence within the United States. [Washington Post, Nov. 27, 2005]

The White House also is moving to expand the power of the Pentagon’s Counterintelligence Field Activity (CIFA), created three years ago to consolidate counterintelligence operations. The White House proposal would transform CIFA into an office that has authority to investigate crimes such as treason, terrorist sabotage or economic espionage.

The Pentagon also has pushed legislation in Congress that would create an intelligence exception to the Privacy Act, allowing the FBI and others to share information about U.S. citizens with the Pentagon, CIA and other intelligence agencies. But some in the Pentagon don’t seem to think that new laws are even necessary.

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In December 2005, NBC News revealed the existence of a secret 400-page Pentagon document listing 1,500 “suspicious incidents” over a 10-month period, including dozens of small antiwar demonstrations that were classified as a “threat.”

The Defense Department also might be moving toward legitimizing the use of propaganda domestically, as part of its overall war strategy.

A secret Pentagon “Information Operations Roadmap,” approved by Rumsfeld in October 2003, calls for “full spectrum” information operations and notes that “information intended for foreign audiences, including public diplomacy and PSYOP, increasingly is consumed by our domestic audience and vice-versa.”

“PSYOPS messages will often be replayed by the news media for much larger audiences, including the American public,” the document states. The Pentagon argues, however, that “the distinction between foreign and domestic audiences becomes more a question of USG [U.S. government] intent rather than information dissemination practices.”

It calls for “boundaries” between information operations abroad and the news media at home, but does not outline any corresponding limits on PSYOP campaigns.

Similar to the distinction the Pentagon draws between “collecting” and “receiving” intelligence on U.S. citizens, the Information Operations Roadmap argues that as long as the American public is not intentionally “targeted,” any PSYOP propaganda consumed by the American public is acceptable.

The Pentagon plan also includes a strategy for taking over the Internet and controlling the flow of information, viewing the Web as a potential military adversary. The “roadmap” speaks of “fighting the net,” and implies that the Internet is the equivalent of “an enemy weapons system.”

In a speech on Feb. 17 to the Council on Foreign Relations, Rumsfeld elaborated on the administration’s perception that the battle over information would be a crucial front in the War on Terror, or as Rumsfeld calls it, the Long War.

“Let there be no doubt, the longer it takes to put a strategic communication framework into place, the more we can be certain that the vacuum will be filled by the enemy and by news informers that most assuredly will not paint an accurate picture of what is actually taking place,” Rumsfeld said.

The Department of Homeland Security also has demonstrated a tendency to deploy military operatives to deal with domestic crises.

In the wake of Hurricane Katrina, the department dispatched “heavily armed paramilitary mercenaries from the Blackwater private security firm, infamous for their work in Iraq, (and had them) openly patrolling the streets of New Orleans,” reported journalists Jeremy Scahill and Daniela Crespo on Sept. 10, 2005.

Noting the reputation of the Blackwater mercenaries as “some of the most feared professional killers in the world,” Scahill and Crespo said Blackwater’s presence in New Orleans “raises alarming questions about why the government would allow men trained to kill with impunity in places like Iraq and Afghanistan to operate here.”

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9:24 PM  
Anonymous Dugoboy said...

richard, those are some of the growing problems i am talking about. and here we are researching the method, which we must do.

et in ardcadia ego:

thats a question i have been pondering too. i have a few answers. heres one i think you already know:

"Truth takes time"

and a little sun-tzu doesn't hurt:

Fight the battles you know you can win.

treat your children as little people, not slaves.

and, haha, you'll like this one: remember "The Matrix cannot tell you who you are" unless you let it.

also, a handy tip from Batman Begins:

"Why do we fall?"
"So we can pick ourselves up."

"To thine own self be true." is the best metaphor to understand everything beyond the pyramid.

;)

they try to rob us, maybe its time for a little robin hood?

10:10 PM  
Anonymous Richard said...

Well dugoboy, I'm not in disagreement, I just have my doubts about the occult angle.
I've read a number of the books Mr. Wells quotes from, and I find it all immensely interesting, I just can't make that leap of faith into actual belief.

As far as the mundane world of politics, i'm not sure that there's much to be done.I was willing to be optimistic before the 2004 election because I felt I could excuse my fellow Americans lapse in judgement over electing Mr. Bush, putting it down to blowback from the Monica "vaginal humidor" Lewinsky scandal.

But when we reelected this guy, I was really overcome by the complete idiocy of the majority of Americans.

Still am.

Really, what's it going to take?

They justify building detention centers by saying it's to house a sudden influx of immigrants into the country, so why isn't everyone going HUH?

You see, it makes no fucking sense. What immigrants? From where? Mexico? Is this in case al-Queda is a tad bit off in their next attack & they hit Mexico instead.


As I said, it makes no sense, but neither did the build-up to the Iraq War, yet America swallowed that particular turd with gusto.

I suppose you could point to falling poll numbers & say that America's finally cracking open her sleepy eyes, but, in my opinion, all those flip floppers will flipflop back over after the next terrorist attack.

As an example, 2 co workers of mine , one white & one African American, bought the Iraq War build-up hook line & sinker.
I debated them with oodles of info.......

........didn't matter one fucking bit.

Now they're both in the anti-Bush camp, but a few days ago, one of the Einsteins came up to me and said "The worst thing about Bush's Iraq War debacle is that I think he's right on this Iranian issue, but now no-one will believe him."

Needless to say, after I pried my jaw off the floor with a putty knife, I swore that if I ever felt compelled to talk politics with this yoo-hoo again I would find a nice iron skillet & smack myself repeatedly in the head with it instead.

Either way, the end result would be a headache for me. The skillet method just releases me from performing a monologue that apparently only I will be listening to.

I doubt that this level of complete ignorance is uncommon.

This is America after all.

11:28 PM  
Anonymous pepsified thinker said...

I will stand with the skeptical end of your reader-spectrum on this general topic--but on a kind of agnostic basis.

I concerned about the here-and-now so the political themes ring my bell.

But sorting out the degree to which I agree with and accept both kinds of posts has become a concern for me. I've only been reading RI over the past few months (which accounts for the still-trying-to-make-sense-of-it-all aspect of this) and so am looking at, on the one hand,

(a) accepting the general assumptions and outlook of 'deep politics' as posted/discussed here, and the degree (or *some* degree) of connection with RA and CIA-type nastiness,

(I'm even pretty close to saying 'yes' to aliens and abductions--the stories associated with such 'ring' true also.)

...but on the other hand,

(b) not going along with the portals and supernatural 'high weirdness' connections--except that such make for further nastiness in the here-and-now world: RA carried out by someone who buys into supernatural stuff seems to 'fit' with the fabric of meanings that I see as drawing on/supplying that view of the universe.

At times I think the discussion/posts here are sort of like a grown-up version of ghost stories at a sleepover. I gotta admit, it's a heck of a cool, spooky ghost story/sleepover--so I enjoy them even though I don't usually buy into them.

But other times I think--Wow! Maybe--and if so what if..?

The basis for buying into some posts and not others is what I'm working on. I need to find/put some logic behind my gut reaction--make MY intuition rigorous.

I'm sure my reactions waver in part because I don't LIKE (i.e. I fear) the idea of supernatural stuff being real, but I don't want fear to guide my accepting/not the reality of such.
But it's not just fear: I rejected established religion because I couldn't buy into the miracles that seemed central to such. Part of the difficultly in sorting out what I do/don't accept of what is posted here, is that there's a component of 'belief' required for accepting some of it that seems similar to that which believing in miracles requires. Is this just a(nother) souped-up, politically loaded/connected kind of religion?

I'll welcome input on this.

As for the kinds of posts/discussions we'd like to see in the future, I vote for those that tackle the issue of 'waking' others up to the what RI says about the PTB. I'm for working on that in a way that goes beyond this website and gets a bit more concrete. What if there was something like the pink triangle symbols that show support for gays and lesbians (I see such in classrooms, etc)--but instead focused on consciousness raising about RA and showing support for the victims of it? seems like the PTB gain power from RA and use of 'high weirdness' because of the secrecy piece of it--shine a little daylight on it and the psyche-rotting aspects of it will wither.

Then again--to be a bit paranoid--that would give the PTB a target. I buy/accept as true that people get suicided, etc. for doing that sort of thing--especially if they've got credible evidence (pictures, fingerprints, e-mails, bank records, etc.). Maybe the way to go is to do just what you do, Jeff--leave it for folks to draw their own conclusions. (That's my 'fear' speaking again--but it isn't always wrong to listen to such.)

Tools to point people to the connections would be nice, though--I remember a discussion thread of various ways to organize data/links (in assoc. with the post about M. Letourneau?). Sorry if this has already been considered, but an application called 'visual thesaurus' links from one word to another in a cool, webby way. Something like that could be pretty powerful/useful in terms of getting others to see links/connections betweenm PTB figures' and various kinds of bad crap. The weight of those connections is what wins people over, (imho). Wading through the history/back story is a barrier. Something that like the 'visual thesaurus' could be a way to go.

Sorry for the long post--thanks, Jeff for YOUR posts--thanks very, very much,

...and thanks, everyone else, for YOUR posts-- and for hearing me out.

11:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The voice here worth listening to is the poor SOB who is still recovering from his/her dealings with magick:"

I am the poor SOB from before. I didn't say I was recovering... I said I was "working through it."

By working through it, I mean something more analogous to working through, say, a pile of work on your desk. The practice brought a lot of knowledge and change, and it takes time to digest. I would say that the experiences and results were both positive and negative but were always informative.

I really dislike the "oooh scary don't go there!" response. Fear and ignorance.

However, one place where you are all right is:

Yes, it *can* lead to dark places. Basically, what you get is the master keys to change your consciousness at least to a certain extent. That sounds good until you really think about it. Part of the reason that we all probably have this inertia against changing our minds in deep ways is to defend ourselves against insanity. Magick strips that defensive barrier away.

So go there if you will, but be careful with it. You can help to master your own destiny, or you can become a psychotic or a ranting lunatic.

11:51 PM  
Anonymous yesferatu said...

For my part, I should say I was quite involved in the EQ several years ago and used it in a system I devised for a personal Qaballa which is published on a web site to which I submitted my work in 1999. Anyone interested can check it out at
http://members.aol.com/AJRoberti/math/rc.htm

I use a 3D model of a rhombicuboctahedron (26 sides-s6 letters in IQ 11-space sequence)which I generated in autoCad and rotate it for the creation of sigils. I used it recently with some results.
You can get an idea of what I am talking about at the site. A 2D "tau cross" is unfolded from the geometry with correspondences ascribed. Please forgive the crude way in which I wrote the system. I did not write too well back then.

I am identified as Frater Zalanes there.
This is not to promote anything, other than to let others know that EQ is seemingly more than coincidence...regardless of any merit found within the system I laid out, which in itself is insignificant, except to me. It was meant for personal work, but thought I should share it then, as I am now. For what it is worth.

I am not considered a Thelemite. I have no ties to OTO. I simply used a thelemic device to see if there was any personal value to it, and it is what "came about".

Also, I could update it with better graphics and more explanations, and may do so at some point.

Please check out Callisto Radiant's interesting encounters with an entity he identifies as his Holy Guardian Angel.

I would be interested in any comments. Thank you.

Yesferatu aka Frater Zalanes

11:52 PM  
Blogger Et in Arcadia ego said...

"Sorry if this has already been considered, but an application called 'visual thesaurus' links from one word to another in a cool, webby way. Something like that could be pretty powerful/useful in terms of getting others to see links/connections betweenm PTB figures' and various kinds of bad crap."

I suggested this several months ago in another blog post.

I firmly believe in today's visually-oriented society, ie: dumbed down(at least in America), this would be a very effectivemeans of penetrating the gauze over the sleeping majority's eyes..

I think once an even partial construct was visually established, the degree of connections between individuals/events would be shocking even to those already aware.

The software currently exists to do this, but the investment in time and data aquisition would be substantial.

1:22 AM  
Blogger Et in Arcadia ego said...

Something like this could work:

http://www.easynn.com/

1:35 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sepka, if you don't get the parapolitics, you're missing about 95% of the significance of this. In fact, to many of us skeptics, this gimmicky bullshit masquerading as some kind of deep wisdom is only interesting to the extent that it's being abused by some very dangerous people.

3:31 AM  
Anonymous Alice said...

"Gimmicky bullshit" indeed... It's like a huge hall of mirrors, this "magick" business, wander in and, like the song says, you may never leave.

I just wanted to thank Richard for the good laugh...I truly sympathise!! Don't give up, though, although many people are beyond redemption, there are some who do eventually smarten up. Especially when they realize that they are not the only ones with the niggling (albeit ruthlessly suppressed) doubts.

There's a lot of peer pressure to conform to the groupthink -- if everybody shuts up for fear of being labeled a "conspiracy nut", then each one of us becomes convinced that we are the only skeptics.

50 million Red Chinese can't all be wrong, can they? I must be mistaken, then...

5:09 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous One,don't lose sleep over Jeff trying to draw us to the dark side folks.I think Jeff has a pretty good grasp of what he has always given us to ponder.Some of us that write here,also know more than we can ever tell in a blog. I sure don't want the shadow boy's coming for me.Et in arcadia ego you hit it on the head,how do we fight this force? Every day I see more and more people around me become zombies,they don't what to hear anything about reality.If you know anything at all get ready to fend for yourself and family,later.

6:55 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

Maybe what's really needed is a legion of non-sicko mages.
12:49 PM

Our psyches are shaped with the underlying assumption that being precedes consciousness. This results from the inherent (authoritian) structure of both religion and modern expressions of science. As long as the PTB can rope folks into reacting to their declarations of what is the proper expression of consciousness, we the common man will remain at a disadvantage.

Resident Bushes 'magic', when he said; 'You are either for us or against us', is crude but effective as long as we remain defined by a dualistic mental model.

It's all 'magic', and without conceptual structures that are able to integrate this magic into our conscious mind, we are bound to see it through unconscious shadow manifestations.

Oh never mind, its no wonder 'metaphysics' is so unpopular.

7:02 AM  
Anonymous Free said...

Jeff, get some rest. This makes no sense. If you want to understand the essence of their problem read "The Sociopath Next Door" by Martha Stout.

And how about something concrete, like a review of this book for Rigorous Intuition?

My question is - do you and others want to understand what is happening in order to do something about it or use this discussion to take refuge in your intellect while the world falls to pieces around you?

8:19 AM  
Anonymous Free said...

Oh, and thanks to Richard for the wonderful "pink triangle" suggestion.

8:31 AM  
Anonymous Free said...

Oh, and Richard, thanks for the wonderful "pink triangle" suggestion.

8:39 AM  
Anonymous p said...

Crowley was the person who introduced the western world to the Tarot.

He may have popularized it, but he didn't introduce it.

According to some active practitioners I've spoken with, there is an original Tarot that is only in private hands and has never been published. The Rider-Waite deck is the closest to the original among the "popular" decks, but the most accurage is the BOTA deck by Paul Foster Case. (http://www.bota.org)

Likewise with the QBL, the "real" tarot is supposed to be more densely symbol-packed than the imitations, but I wouldn't know that first-hand.

its no wonder 'metaphysics' is so unpopular.

Boy, do I feel ya. You can't get people to talk metaphysics for nothing, the natural impulse is just to literalize everything.

9:03 AM  
Anonymous Richard said...

To alice:

You're welcome.

There are times when I find it funny too.

Mostly I wonder how folks this stupid manage to navigate through life without killing themselves or others.

Although it does go a long way towards explaining how pyramid schemes & pidgeon drops are still profitable & why televangelists still clutter up my television screen.

To sounder:

You said: "Resident Bushes 'magic', when he said; 'You are either for us or against us', is crude but effective as long as we remain defined by a dualistic mental model."

If it's magic, it's magic of the 3 card monte type.
Or, better yet, if Bush is a magician, he's like the little retarded boy who flummoxed the whole neighborhood with his sleight of hand skills.
An utter impossibility unless the whole neighborhood had pretty much lost all viable braincells.

Although I'd have to say that the tendency of all Bushitters to add that veneer of faux machismo to everything was a stroke of near genius. For example, when Charles Krauthammer said that Cheney did "the manly thing" by not informing the press of the oversized quail he bagged.
You'll find this stuff peppered throughout all pro-Bush commentary & I find that it really uncovered a huge vein of insecurity that's rippling right below the surface of the male population of this country.

So, as a nation, we're gullible, insecure & terrified......

......not much of a character reference for the world's only "superpower" is it?

9:20 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've read a number of the books Mr. Wells quotes from, and I find it all immensely interesting, I just can't make that leap of faith into actual belief.

You don't need faith. Perform certain actions, and certain results follow. All this chatter about not going along with Jeff when it comes to the occult is silly; anyone who wants to verify that magick can be effective can do so personally with a few months effort. I'll give specific suggestions that worked for me: do the Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram for a few weeks, and record the results. Do a tarot spread every morning for a few weeks, and record the results (in passing, may I say that nearly everything said in these posts re: the tarot is deeply misinformed). Set up a bedside altar to a pagan deity and use it to make requests for specific material objects... and record the results. Try sigil magick and, you guessed it, record the results.

What you will find from your dabbling is that occult practices have persisted over the millenia because they are effective, they effect change. Some posters have tried to fall back on the canard that only the magickian is changed, that nothing "out there" is affected. But the thing is, there is no difference between "out there" and "in here".

And when you accept personally that magick is tapping into something, it is not hard at all to accept that ritual abuse, occultism, goetic evocation, etc. have a long and intimate relationship with temporal power. How could they not?

And when you accept that it is no leap at all to accept the weirdness, high or otherwise, that pervades our world. You just took the red pill.

And for all you folks suggesting what Jeff should or should not write about - get your own blog.

10:11 AM  
Anonymous dude h said...

man that last post nailed it. both on the occult angle, and conerning the ongoing debate about what our faithful author should or should not write about.

i like it all. the more mundane stuff is the most well-written conspiracy research (read: "policy studies" lol) on the web, and the high wierdness stuff is absolutely one of a kind and really cannot be found in comparable form anywhere else.

when i see those posts like this that start off with a rationalization of why he writes this or that - i know that you all are getting to him.

so everybody chill and let the man write what he will!

10:30 AM  
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11:14 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wonder if there is such a thing as evil? Please give your attention, go with me, let us inquire together. We say there is good and evil. There is envy and love, and we say that envy is evil and love is good. Why do we divide life, calling this good and that bad, thereby creating the conflict of the opposites? Not that there is not envy, hate, brutality in the human mind and heart, an absence of compassion, love, but why do we divide life into the thing called good and the thing called evil? Is there not actually only one thing, which is a mind that is inattentive? Surely, when there is complete attention, that is, when the mind is totally aware, alert, watchful, there is no such thing as evil or good; there is only an awakened state. Goodness then is not a quality, not a virtue, it is a state of love. When there is love, there is neither good nor bad, there is only love. When you really love somebody, you are not thinking of good or bad, your whole being is filled with that love. It is only when there is the cessation of complete attention, of love, that there comes the conflict between what I am and what I should be. Then that which I am is evil, and that which I should be is the so-called good.

You watch your own mind and you will see that the moment the mind ceases to think in terms of becoming something, there is a cessation of action which is not stagnation; it is a state of total attention, which is goodness.

J. Krishnamurti

11:15 AM  
Blogger RoadsEnd said...

Magick is as magick does ...

The universality of basic numbers is reverend. Zero equals two, one plus one equals three, and from that comes all things.

Magick comes in many forms. Basically it is alignment. "Church"/Ritual magic is a form of mind-control/training and group rituals may be a congregational "power" font.

Alchemy is the use and understanding of magickal principles to affect the inward and outward.

Denial may hide reality, not subvene it. We all "use" "magick," whether we know it or not.

From St. Lennie;

God is alive; Magic is afoot
God is alive; Magic is afoot
God is afoot; Magic is alive
Alive is afoot.....
Magic never died.

God never sickened;
many poor men lied
many sick men lied
Magic never weakened
Magic never hid
Magic always ruled
God is afoot
God never died.

God was ruler
though his funeral lengthened
Though his mourners thickened
Magic never fled
Though his shrouds were hoisted
the naked God did live
Though his words were twisted
the naked Magic thrived
Though his death was published
round and round the world
the heart did not believe

Many hurt men wondered
many struck men bled
Magic never faltered
Magic always led.
Many stones were rolled
but God would not lie down
Many wild men lied
many fat men listened
Though they offered stones
Magic still was fed
Though they locked their coffers
God was always served.

2..

Magic is afoot. God rules.
Alive is afoot. Alive is in command.
Many weak men hungered
Many strong men thrived
Though they boasted solitude
God was at their side
Nor the dreamer in his cell
nor the captain on the hill
Magic is alive
Though his death was pardoned
round and round the world
the heart did not believe.

Though laws were carved in marble
they could not shelter men
Though altars built in parliaments
they could not order men
Police arrested Magic
and Magic went with them,
for Magic loves the hungry.

But Magic would not tarry
it moves from arm to arm
it would not stay with them
Magic is afoot
it cannot come to harm
it rests in an empty palm
it spawns in an empty mind
but Magic is no instrument
Magic is the end.

Many men drove Magic
but Magic stayed behind
Many strong men lied
they only passed through Magic
and out the other side
Many weak men lied
they came to God in secret
and though they left him nourished
they would not say who healed
Though mountains danced before them
they said that God was dead
Though his shrouds were hoisted
the naked God did live

3...

This I mean to whisper to my mind
This I mean to laugh with in my mind
This I mean my mind to serve 'til
service is but Magic
moving through the world
and mind itself is Magic
coursing through the flesh
and flesh itself is Magic
dancing on a clock
and time itself the magic length of God.

MHO
Peace,
Om
K

11:33 AM  
Anonymous Richard said...

anonymous said:

"You don't need faith. Perform certain actions, and certain results follow. All this chatter about not going along with Jeff when it comes to the occult is silly; anyone who wants to verify that magick can be effective can do so personally with a few months effort."

That would be good advice if I didn't have 4 little children & 2 jobs champ.

Not only do I not have the time to spend summoning Asmodeus or playing Tarot games, I'm not particularly interested in subjecting my children to the results, if any, that occur.

Just one question though, if you are dabbling in occult practices that alter the external world in conjunction with your will, how does that make you any different than the folk this blog attempts to expose?

I may have read a number of the books Mr. Wells sources, but I know a lot of them are the product of incredibly shoddy scholarship.

As an example, both Mr. Vallee & Mr. Lavender trot out the Alexander Hamilton/airship close encounter. This story has been thoroughly debunked, yet it's still propagated through endless gosh-golly retellings.

The Satanic Ritual abuse scenario is another one. You can say that the debunking of this is the product of a cover-up, but that doesn't erase the fact that most of the initial accusations were uncovered by fundamentalist Christian social workers asking little kids leading questions. I'm a father of little children & I've learned that they'll believe any hogswollop provided an adult or authority figure tells it to them.

Crowley is always trotted out also. From what I've read about Crowley, he was as much a bullshitting conman as an actual adept. I've also met a few self styled Crowleyites in my time & the phrase screwball always seems to pop into my head after our initial meetings.

If these folks are so versed in ways of altering reality to suit them, why are their lives such a jumbled mess?

So for now, these interests will have to stay the products of a faith I just don't have.

Sorry.

11:48 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I love this site. Jeff is free to write and research as he wants. I'm increasingly wondering about its relevance however. Is the paranormal/occult digging a mere distraction?

I have to wonder if this is all a distraction when significant stories like the one below are not to be found anywhere on this site or (am I just missing it?) the discussion board:

http://www.timesofmalta.com/core/article.php?id=215387

US 'aware' of Iraq torture

Herman Grech

The US is "aware" of torture taking place in Iraqi prisons, according to the outgoing Maltese UN human rights chief in Iraq.

"Yes, torture is happening now, mainly in illegal detention places. Such centres are mostly being run by militia that have been absorbed by the police force," says John Pace, who retired last week as human rights chief for the UN assistance mission in Iraq.

In a frank interview with The Times, Dr Pace says photos and forensic records have proved that torture was rife inside detention centres. Though the process of release has been speeded up, there are an estimated 23,000 people in detention, of whom 80 to 90 per cent are innocent.

He says the Baghdad morgue received 1,100 bodies in July alone, about 900 of whom bore evidence of torture or summary execution. That continued throughout the year and last December there were 780 bodies, including 400 having gunshot wounds or wounds as those caused by electric drills.

Dr Pace expresses deep concern over the progress of the Saddam Hussein trial, saying he would have preferred to see the former dictator tried internationally.

After two years serving in Iraq, Dr Pace says that the non-existence of law and order has left society without any protection, clearly reflecting that the US invasion was not properly planned.

1:10 PM  
Anonymous Avalon said...

High Weirdness can manifest as a positive, life-affirming quality, as well as that which scares a lot of people here. It can exhibit intricate wordplay as well as playful visual puns, a sense of joy and a rich sense of connectedness.

I don't claim to know who or what our guardians and allies are, but they too are part of this whole puzzle we are trying to figure out.

1:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That would be good advice if I didn't have 4 little children & 2 jobs champ.

Not only do I not have the time to spend summoning Asmodeus or playing Tarot games, I'm not particularly interested in subjecting my children to the results, if any, that occur.


Oh, well, since you have a good excuse for not testing it out, I guess you're free to disbelieve or ignore as you like. Oh wait, you're already free to do that... I'm confused, what's your point?

Just one question though, if you are dabbling in occult practices that alter the external world in conjunction with your will, how does that make you any different than the folk this blog attempts to expose?

"The difference between me and a lunatic is that I am not a lunatic." - Salvador Dali.

3:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

“Richard said...

"Crowley is always trotted out also. From what I've read about Crowley, he was as much a bullshitting conman as an actual adept. I've also met a few self styled Crowleyites in my time & the phrase screwball always seems to pop into my head after our initial meetings."”

For sure! A deceptive trail to say the least, and one which all of RI’s “magickal Sherlocks” will relish exploring.

However, going by Jeff's own links to info. on Crowley, he was a perverted, and religiously and sexually repressed heroin and opium addict.

What does it tell you when most of Crowley's relations are either dead or crazy?!?!

There's nothing here except obvious depravity, influenced by a dreadful upbringing, which ultimately leads to insanity! Nothing that can be objectively proven to be of any value... beyond the proof that this guy was a (champion) nutcase. Not even British Intelligence wanted anything to do with this guy.

It's one thing to have corroborated visions under the influence of, say, a shaman whose knowledge, and use of hallucinogenic plants and ritual, has been passed down for centuries and used with the utmost respect and care, and most certainly another listening to the ravings of a lunatic addicted to opium.

When you assume that the logic behind an incomplete system of belief is real, and accept it, you inherit the emotional baggage that influenced its creation.

3:14 PM  
Blogger Et in Arcadia ego said...

"I wonder if there is such a thing as evil? Please give your attention, go with me, let us inquire together. "

I have refined this question in my own mind several times over the period of my life, and my current belief is, yes, there is such a thing as evil, but the definition itself of evil is a point of confusion.

At this point in my life, I define evil as a conscious act made by an individual/group for gratification/gain/whatever that comes at the expense of another person/group(s).

That's been my working definition for a few years now, but I'm pretty sure 'evil' differently to others.

Back in my Nihilistic I would blurt out that 'evil' was specifically a word used by the weak to describe an act of the strong.

My over-all empathy has grown somewhat since then.

That or I've outgrown Nihilism itself, which to me now is nearly a legitimate form of mental illness or social reaction, etc..

3:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It would be very, very nice if everyone here who has an opinion about Crowley actually knew something about him! Maybe, you know, read a biography about him rather than relying strictly on the Internet.

Since I am clearly the most informed poster on the subject, I'll go ahead and give my opinion:

Crowley was way ahead of his time. He believed he could have intercourse with who he wanted, take what drugs he wanted, worship in whatever fashion he wanted, and hold the philosophies he wanted. If you believe the same, and are able to get away with it (in much of the world) then old A.C. is one of the guys you want to thank.

Yes, he practiced magick, primarily of a sort associated with the Golden Dawn - and yes, that included some icky sex magick. He was also, by far, the foremost Western practitioner of yoga and meditation of his time, a very good chess player and mountaineer, an effective intelligence agent, a prolific poet and writer who sold reasonably well in his day, a bedder of beautiful women and, to many, a valued friend. he led a full life, much of which would not raise too many eyebrows in our day.

That said, he was also a perfect arse at times, and enjoyed creating a scandal - and he was very good at it. But there is no evidence that he was anything like what we would call a satanist. I believe, for example, that he would have little use for Anton LaVey

In the end, I believe, his legacy is an encouragement of free thinking and individualism and, in my view, he would disapprove of many of the uses magick is being put to. I also think he would be a big fan of Rigorous Intuition.

But don't believe me - read a biography for pete's sake.

And for the record, I am not associated with any magickal orders, and do not make a habit of defending Crowley - I just can't stand all the misinfo going on here!

3:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh please. Crowley was a dickhead who read a few old books, knew a few parlor tricks and generally knew how to fool people into thinking he was a "mage." He was a TEXTBOOK CHARLATAN, practially the modern model for the type. And you actually think we should thank him for free-thinking? Ha! Please, tell me another one...

5:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You don't need faith. Perform certain actions, and certain results follow. All this chatter about not going along with Jeff when it comes to the occult is silly; anyone who wants to verify that magick can be effective can do so personally with a few months effort. I'll give specific suggestions that worked for me: do the Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram for a few weeks, and record the results. Do a tarot spread every morning for a few weeks, and record the results... Set up a bedside altar to a pagan deity and use it to make requests for specific material objects... and record the results. Try sigil magick and, you guessed it, record the results.

Actually, you don't even need to go through such stylized ritual. Repeat a positive affirmation every day for several months. (E.g., every day write "I have X" 10 times, even though you don't have X. For the beginner, X should be something that is challenging, but not absolutely impossible, to acquire. But be careful what you wish for...)

7:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That would be good advice if I didn't have 4 little children & 2 jobs champ.

Not only do I not have the time to spend summoning Asmodeus or playing Tarot games, I'm not particularly interested in subjecting my children to the results, if any, that occur.


Dear Richard... try my above suggestion, which is nondenominational with respect to entities and generally harmless if you don't reach too far. (It is, however, quite possible to reach further than you are able to handle, in which case this can "work" in bizarre and unpleasant ways. "Textbook" example, asking for a large sum of money and inheriting it through the death of a close relative. Nothing that bad has ever happened to me, but I have certainly created problems for myself by not leaving well enough alone, which is the insight one comes to after awhile.)


On the question of what Jeff chooses to write about: I like all or most of his writings. For the standard stuff, I can read the news and the mainstream commentary blogs myself. There are some very good conventional political analysts on the web, and they serve their purpose well. Jeff explores a different angle, one that is unique and in my opinion well worth exploring.

On the question of evil: I tend to agree with a more general version of what EiAe says:

I define evil as a conscious act made by an individual/group for gratification/gain/whatever that comes at the expense of another person/group(s).

Evil is a form of insanity that misappropriates energy (physical or psychic) and causes an imbalance across boundaries. In truth, there are no boundaries, so in absolute terms there is no evil. However, while we exist as forms, therefore with boundaries, there is indeed a phenomenon such as evil. Examples range from the deep and dark leviathan that Jeff explores, which seeks totalitarian subjugation of everything under a singular satanic will, down to the traditional "deadly sins": lust (misappropriation of others' chi) and gluttony (needless killing of other life forms).

7:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That "magick" so often centers around getting something is the best illustration there is of how far removed these little gimmicks - the psychic equivalent of baubles and beads, really - are from true spirituality.

Typically, it often comes pre-packaged in all manner of infantile, pseudo-philosophical just-so stories about the alleged relativity (& hence, meaninglessness) of things such as truth, morality, etc.

It's solipsistic drivel.

8:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That "magick" so often centers around getting something is the best illustration there is of how far removed these little gimmicks - the psychic equivalent of baubles and beads, really - are from true spirituality.

Perhaps... but for those of us with an empirical/scientific bent, the exercises outlined above serve a purpose. Plus, maybe a bloke needs a break now-and-then, to offer some comfort to his family of 4 kids?

However, anybody who undertakes this, well, somewhat left-hand path, and who's paying attention and growing, will quickly outgrow the need for immediate gratification.

It's all a process.

And it's better than taking the word of some "authority" who is as likely to molest you as give you anything of spiritual value.

8:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Typically, it often comes pre-packaged in all manner of infantile, pseudo-philosophical just-so stories about the alleged relativity (& hence, meaninglessness) of things such as truth, morality, etc.

Whose "truth"? Whose "morality"?

Are you going to tell me that you personally know the mind of God? What makes you so special?

Better to start where you really are: a vulnerable creature with needs, some legitimate and some not. With integrity and attention, you will get to a more mature place. This includes an understanding that your own perception of "truth" is not absolute.

8:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

However, anybody who undertakes this, well, somewhat left-hand path, and who's paying attention and growing, will quickly outgrow the need for immediate gratification.

Ideally, I'm sure you're right. But in my observation (not experience), growth is the exception rather than the rule. Now I don't know you, so don't take this personally, but the occultists I've encountered have unequivocally been the most selfish, heartless, head-up-their-ass idiots that I've ever met. Almost without exception.

I think everyone should aim higher.

Whose "truth"? Whose "morality"?

Thanks for proving my point, dipshit.

9:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And finally, because the comment from Anonymous@8:38 is really annoying me at this moment, I offer this:

Everybody uses magic.

Some are just more aware of it than others.

If somebody is truly infantile and is determined to stay that way, he doesn't need a formal magic spell to accomplish his ends. There is no shortage of manipulative tricks one can play in the so-called "real world", many of which are much more harmful to others than a series of affirmations.

Richard seemed to ask for "proof" that magic works. Two of us have offered simple laboratory experiments for him to verify.

If you don't need empirical proof, fine, you're free to ignore the comments and feel self-righteous about it.

9:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for proving my point, dipshit.

I fail to see how I've proved your point, one way or another? Because I acknowledge that people don't agree on "truth" and "morality"? Shit, even protestant Christians can't get their story straight.

I can't speak for the occultists you know. Sorry. Maybe it's just that you're attracting heartless and selfish people?

9:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Everybody uses magic.

If you're going to expand the definition to the point of meaninglessness like that, I can't see how anybody's going to learn anything.

Maybe it's just that you're attracting heartless and selfish people?

No, actually I try to avoid that kind of thing. It's just that, you know, when you see something in your life, then see the same sort of thing writ large i.e. in the kind of people Jeff writes about, you can't help but notice a pattern.

I'm sure there are exceptions.

As for truth and relativity, I'm not going to be drawn into that, nor do I pretend to be an authority. I merely meant to point out what truth obviously isn't, and as I said, this shit ain't it.

9:36 PM  
Blogger foist lastus said...

I can vouch for the studying of clarivoyance. There are parts of a mind that many don't explore, much less use on a daily basis. An alternative to Crowley is Gurdjieff, who suggests an altogether different strategy for existence. A personal mantra that has worked for me; for years when I was pennies poor; "free me from financial ills" - it took a few years, but is WORKING NOW. One way to divide peoples is Service to Others vs Service to Self. Why are you walking the planet? To just enjoy all there is to be had for yourself, or to impower others to learn how to learn how to share the wealth? Like every post here???
Is it helpful and related to the discussion subject or is it an insult, denial, or distraction?

9:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As for truth and relativity, I'm not going to be drawn into that, nor do I pretend to be an authority. I merely meant to point out what truth obviously isn't, and as I said, this shit ain't it.

I don't know what you mean by "this shit".

There are simple, verifiable experiments that one can do that do not require years of devotion to meditation. This has value to the skeptic who is open to new experiences but does not have the time to invest in such long term experiments. Since the success of the experiments depends on the emotional energy invested, it's best to start with something desired. I've issued warnings about going to far: hopefully they are seed that has fallen on good soil.

Since you know absolutely nothing about me (including my reputation among family, friends, and colleagues), I will share something of my path: I used such techniques as I'm advocating a decade ago and convinced myself that consciousness precedes physical being, not the other way around. And, as a byproduct, created some small disasters for myself that taught me the value of knowing my true intentions. Today, on the basis of what I learned, both about the nature of reality and the workings of my own soul, I follow a more devotional path, using "magic tricks" very sparingly and with great caution. My most frequent spiritual petition has to do with a soft landing for humanity in this awful mess that, seemingly, keeps getting worse. And, yes, that may seem to contradict my position that boundaries and form are illusions; nevertheless, suffering is real to those of us who have not passed out of form.

9:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

By "this shit" I mean shit like this:

"those of us who have not passed out of form"

10:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

By "this shit" I mean shit like this:

"those of us who have not passed out of form"


Fine, talk to apocalyptic Christians about the rapture, who gets into heaven and who gets resurrected. And while you're getting all hot and bothered about magic, talk to them about the precious "prayer of Jabez".

Seriously, if you disagree that experiments in magic or NLP or whatever you want to call it are constructive, that's your call. But I don't really see what your anger is about. I'm presenting a point of view that is meaningful to me and perhaps others... if you're going to be hostile, I really don't need to waste my time.

10:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was commenting on the topic. You addressed me, I merely responded.

By all means, fuck off.

10:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

By all means, fuck off.

Our resident guardian of "truth" and "morality" has spoken.

10:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Okay, maybe my fist of judgment overpowered my open palm of compassion. What can I say? We all make our own choices. I certainly don't take any of it back.

Also, I'd like to point out that I'm not the one making the fantastical truth claims, that would be the anonymous person who addressed me.

11:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What is 668?
668
=
Neighbor of the Beast

11:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

so where does he live now?

11:53 PM  
Blogger owlindaylight said...

Why the assumption that TBOTL's code has been cracked? I've seen many claimants to that accomplishment, many of whom make seemingly plausible gematria-based arguments. But given the highly fungible nature of gematria, it's hard to establish one as more credible than the other.

I enjoy your writing and your ability to correlate diverse and unusual data, but to be honest, my eyes roll when you write about Crowley. Your essays indicate a once-removed familiarity with A.C., betraying that while you may have read a lot about him, you haven't read much by him.

If you had, you might have some different opinions about, for instance, Crowley as a supposed Satanist, Crowley the babykiller, etc ...

Pretty laughable notions to those who've studied A.C.

2:57 AM  
Anonymous The ShitHammer said...

Fascinating stuff, but it's too easy to get lost in the endless convuluted Gematrias and word/number mind-games of various cabalas that have exactly what impact on anything is questionable. Anyone can create low-level synchronicities for themselves by focusing on a certain number or number combinations.
I read the Greenfield book some time ago and found it to be of no value to me with no relevence to the actual UFO phenomena, but then I find the OTO and pretty much all so-called "occult lodges" and "high-level-initiates" to be quite a joke when it comes right down to what great earth-shattering secrets do they possess(ingesting semen and vaginal fluids will make you immortal). Look up any local OTO camp or oasis and decide for yourself if these people really "know" anything that will shatter your current world view. Ask them to show you what they know. THEN visit an Amazonian rain forest shaman and ask him to show you what he knows; the difference will be quite striking.

7:43 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'd like to point out that I'm not the one making the fantastical truth claims

The claims are readily verifiable in any number of ways that have been delineated above. But you have already decided against them.

You can always just choose to believe without proof. But I, personally, believe that beliefs should be based on experience, not authority. True, "proof" only goes so far: I can always come up with a conventional (if improbable) explanation for mysterious phenomena, so there is never any proof that moves beyond the shadow of doubt. At some point, you do have to take a leap of faith. The rational mind has its limits.

Not everybody is ready for that. Many people need the comfort of believing that the world is exactly the way it seems every day. And that's OK. But, in my experience, that viewpoint is only a lesser truth. For those who are on the fence, and need a gentle push, the recommendations made above are reasonably safe ways to get started.

Of course they aren't places to end up. Your cautions against remaining in an "infantile" space are reasonable. One wants to get to the point where one has, e.g., a solid meditation practice (or a deep understanding of Christian mysteries), is sensitive to subtle shifts in energy, and most importantly is compassionate and aware of other beings suffering. But I do not buy into the idea that we should just remain spiritually frozen in place just because we fear that the cosmos is dangerous or that we cannot grow beyond our present character limitations.

Indeed, the choice not to decide is itself a decision.

7:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

While I appreciate the considered response, you're only reinforcing my original assessment.

You misunderstand what kind of skeptic I am. I don't care if you can do base 60 vedic algebra in your head. I disapprove of these things whether or not they have external effects. In my darker moments I can even begin to understand why the Church burned heretics. Of course, I'm not that kind of barbarian (open hand of compassion and all), and besides, I realize you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube.

But I do believe that humanity will progress toward peace, only to the extent that the circle of skepticism is drawn closer and closer around the religio-magical worldview, isolating marginalizing it in history books, fiction, movies, etc. I'm sure you could even describe this in occult terms ("binding demons"), but as I said, I think blurring definitions and distinctions like that is foolish, obfuscatory and thoroughly unhelpful. What I'm talking about is de-enchantment.

For you (or anyone) to propose that people immerse themselves in elaborate delusions "as if" they were true, as a means of making them true, strikes me as not only absurd, but precisely the kind of mindset that's gotten the world into the awful mess that you claim to want to rescue it from.

It's nothing personal, and I'm only picking on you to the extent that you've chosen to represent a worldview that, in my view, can't be consigned to the dustbin of history quickly enough. At some point I think that humanity, if it's going to survive, is going to need to wake up from the dreams you seem to want to plunge it further into.

I have hope and faith that history (and humanity) will be on my side.

With love,
Anonymous

4:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

But I do believe that humanity will progress toward peace, only to the extent that the circle of skepticism is drawn closer and closer around the religio-magical worldview, isolating marginalizing it in history books, fiction, movies, etc. I'm sure you could even describe this in occult terms ("binding demons"), but as I said, I think blurring definitions and distinctions like that is foolish, obfuscatory and thoroughly unhelpful. What I'm talking about is de-enchantment.

I see that this is the key point on which we disagree. In thinking about a response, I have been tempted to craft an argument that dualistically defends "enchantment" against "de-enchantment", but I don't think I can put forth an intellectually honest argument that advances such a dichotomy. Instead, what I think is closer to the truth, is that the world needs both more and less enchantment, and both more and less rational skepticism. What is required, and what the world seems to lack presently, is to be in right relationship with both sides.

Rationalism seeks control: why else have categories, make comparisons, etc.? This has its uses to the human soul, but it also clearly has brought on the destruction visited upon us in the modern world. On the other hand, demons (or primitive cognitive processes, if that is a phrase that is more meaningful to you) can and will exploit the will to control, so moving too far in the opposite direction will bring about its own monstruous consequences.

Nazi Germany is a good working case study. Europe reached the pinnacle of "civilization" in the 18th and 19th centuries, reaching the summit of rationalism. Unfortunately, this left its population vulnerable to attack from the underworld demons with which RI readers are well acquainted. Nazi Germany represents neither the failure of rationalism nor the failure of romantic mysticism, so much as a failure to remain in proper balance with both impulses so that discernment can be exercised.

To quote C. S. Lewis: "There are two equal and opposite errors into which our race can fall about the devils. One is to disbelieve in their existence. The other is to believe, and to feel an excessive and unhealthy interest in them. They themselves are equally pleased by both errors." I think you are worried about the latter error. I am more worried, in this day and age, about the former.

And so I advocate passing acquaintence with the nonphysical world, enough to know how it works and where its dangers lie. Yes, there will be people who take unhealthy interest in devils, but in my opinion, these are people who would be just as prone to ethical lapses with simply physical means to exercise their will.

7:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yep, I think you've put your finger on where we disagree. And we do disagree. I imagine we might eventually be able to find some common ground around the idea of more and less enchantment, and more and less rational skepticism, but as you say, only after further consideration. I would even agree with you that an acquaintance with the nonphysical world is valuable, if only to be able to critique it more intelligently than, say, a James Randi type skeptic.

For now though, I'd just like to repeat that I think you should reconsider the idea of conflating magic and science so cavalierly. You can talk about magic in terms of experimentation and pragmatism, but that only has a tenuous and passing relation to what scientists actually do. Science is NOT another form of religion. Magickal practice is NOT the same thing as the scientific method. I understand the impulse that leads to the comparison, but it's a metaphor that breaks down very quickly. You're dealing with two radically different worldviews - for example, if the medieval view can be described as a kaleidoscope of patterns with variations, the rational-modern view is more like the billiard table of cause-and-effect. So without denigrating the ideal of balance and integration, at this stage I believe it's truly a distinction with a difference.

In fact I think that's more or less the conceptual muddle that's led to UFO ascension cults.

9:00 PM  
Anonymous pepsified thinker said...

Parts of this make sense to me, but parts don't.

Althought it seems like we're coming in for a landing at the end of this thread--in case we're not, can I ask for some definitions? I offer this one: magic--or magick? (if the latter is different than the former please explain--but I got the bit about how some people spell it differently to get a significant numeric value) is something that accomplishes things through means that physical laws cannot account for.

If you say a mantra over and over about getting rich(er) [less broke?] and after a couple of years or many months you're financially better off, great!--but I'm not accepting that as an indication of supernatural forces at work (or play). If you say a mantra about making your lucky numbers win in the lottery, and you win--and win in a way that beats the odds--I'm all ears. (Apart from that possibly indicating 'magic', I'm ready to hear stories about how to win the lotter.)

I respect the level of thought that everyone here gives to discussions--that's why I read these comments--and I like the general tone of respect and thoughtfulness in the posts here, so I hope I'm in keeping with that in saying this. I realize it draws a line that excludes a lot of what some of you offer as experiences/support of magic, but what I'm excluding seems to me to be subjective stuff that calls for a kind of 'faith'.

Tell me about an interview in which govt.-types said they believed in this stuff and were acting on that belief and you've got my attention, but tell me some dead guy claimed to meet spirits and wrote a book about it, and, well, like I said earlier--that seems like another version of religion, (meeting spirits instead of parting the Red Sea or walking on water).

I'll apologize in advance: I tend to 'discover' old, establish truths/arguments. If that's the case here, I really will be glad to have that pointed out--tell me the 'name' for this argument/outlook--and sorry for the trouble.

In the mean time, here's another 'concrete' way of coming at this--by whatever definition of magic, it seems like those who make a difference historicly and currently are NOT doing so through magic: by 'those who make a difference' I mean caring doctors, teachers, leaders, or on the other hand, those who bully and shoot and torture. To my way of thinking, caring or hurtful acts are not magical. As has been pointed out, to say otherwise is to either extend the definition of magic to include all kinds of mundane actions--speaking, thinking, etc.--OR to posit some (fantastical) degree of secret magic machinations behind the scenes. Both of which stretch things too far for my credulity.

I mean, most people don't know who Crowley was--those who do don't seem to have as much impact on the world as a dedicated letter-to-the-editor writing, community activist. At least, those who know who Crowly was don't have an impact because they do.

I realize I'm defining things in and out of categories in a self-serving/cavalier fashion--but that's what seems useful. By the way, like anonymous with 4 kids/2jobs, I'm a dad with young kids. Maybe there's something about diaper duty that limits a person's metaphysical tendencies or insights. Or are some of you coming at this from the other side of it, also caught up in a family version of life?

BUT--I'm here because I'm open to arguments to the contrary and because Jeff's posts are about how the PTB do know/care about Corwley-type-stuff, and act according to such, and are f***ing things and people up as a result. Although I'm coming to this subject from a materialistic/rationalistic point of view--a doubter's point of view--it's that connection between the concrete and the supernatural that is of interest.

9:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For now though, I'd just like to repeat that I think you should reconsider the idea of conflating magic and science so cavalierly. You can talk about magic in terms of experimentation and pragmatism, but that only has a tenuous and passing relation to what scientists actually do. Science is NOT another form of religion. Magickal practice is NOT the same thing as the scientific method.

I'll agree that magic(k) and science are not the same thing. But as a scientist (I mean, somebody who gets paid to do "science" in the conventional sense of the word) I most definitely view "science" as a religion. It has, at its foundations, some unverifiable axioms, and also rites of passage, rituals, and levels of initiation. Operationally, the scientific method works well, so well that we are able to manipulate the physical world quite well. On the other hand, "religion" works well enough to be used, quite reliably, to manipulate the mental and emotional world. That's as far as I'll go with this topic for now.

In fact I think that's more or less the conceptual muddle that's led to UFO ascension cults.

I don't think so. I think the UFO ascension cults are more about science fiction than anything else. And by that, I mean wishful thinking.

If you say a mantra over and over about getting rich(er) [less broke?] and after a couple of years or many months you're financially better off, great!--but I'm not accepting that as an indication of supernatural forces at work (or play). If you say a mantra about making your lucky numbers win in the lottery, and you win--and win in a way that beats the odds--I'm all ears. (Apart from that possibly indicating 'magic', I'm ready to hear stories about how to win the lotter.)

That's my point about designing the mantra experiment well enough that it can actually distinguish between the two situations you just described. I'm quite hesitant to prescribe the lottery scenario as a target, as it has many of the ethical dangers that the other Anonymous here has been warning about.

In the mean time, here's another 'concrete' way of coming at this--by whatever definition of magic, it seems like those who make a difference historicly and currently are NOT doing so through magic: by 'those who make a difference' I mean caring doctors, teachers, leaders, or on the other hand, those who bully and shoot and torture. To my way of thinking, caring or hurtful acts are not magical.

I disagree. In fact, acts of loving are quite powerful acts of magic. You may think I'm generalizing to the point of meaningless, but I'm not. Love is very powerful.

10:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I most definitely view "science" as a religion.

As I said, I can appreciate the comparison to an extent. But there are also a number of very important differences. For example, the types of knowledge the practitioner of each method seeks is not necessarily the same, and isn't necessarily put to the same uses.

Put another way, scientific "knowledge" is different from mystical "gnosis."

It's the kind of confusion that can lead to trouble, so I think care should be taken to distinguish "science" from "method." Maybe it's too fine a point, I dunno.

10:35 PM  
Anonymous jules said...

p from right near the start, thats not the image but its similar. It had among other things, arjuna standing on Krishna's hand.

About magic and all that.IMFUO The universe is a magical event, not a machine, although it seems machine like on many levels (or rationally predictable), at least from my perspective. Life is a sacred gift from the universe, if you respect it, whatever follows is probably a good thing.

I got into crowlet briefly. he is an interesting character, but history is full of them.

If nothing else, you can learn this from Crowley:

If you want to get into "magic" or whatever, learn self control and self discipline first. Don't be a slave to sex, smack or your ego, or your hatred of prudish Scottish christianity. Or anything else for that matter. People who do anything to get power will use whatever they think works to further their own ends.

Did anyone see the South Park episode when the scientologists said that Stan was the reincarnation of L Ron Hubbard.

That was good for a laugh or two.

10:56 PM  
Blogger RoadsEnd said...

In my lexicon, the difference between magic and magick, is that magick denotes magic wor[k] (charm), whereas magic is your basic conjouring and colloquial usage.

MHO,
Peace,
Om
Kris Millegan

11:07 PM  
Blogger Tate said...

I read the script of The Sixth Sense and was surprised that it was about the power of love and gentleness in facing the mystery of suffering and using compassion for healing.

I had seen the promos on TV and could imagine the actors and it was very surprising and uplifting. I don't think I want to see the movie as the depictions of violence are not something I like, the verbal descriptions were enough to give counterpoint to the power of Agape Love.

I think of the proverb in the Bible LOVE IS STRONGER THAN DEATH.

I found the script by Googling and it was about the third entry down on the first page.

http://home.online.no~bhundlan/scripts/TheSixthSense.htm - "The Sixth Sense: - by M. Night Shyamalan

1:46 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

To Richard,
An utter impossibility unless the whole neighborhood had pretty much lost all viable braincells.


So, as a nation, we're gullible, insecure & terrified......

Yep and apparently even a retard can fool them. As the Port deal shows, high level connections exist on both sides of the terror charade, and yet it means nothing to those that do not look at the information. Keep the regular people from looking and the bloggers are nothing more than bugs on an elephant.

12:31 PM  
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12:39 PM  
Blogger Sounder said...

To pepsified thinker
The basis for buying into some posts and not others is what I'm working on. I need to find/put some logic behind my gut reaction--make MY intuition rigorous.

We may do better to attach possibility factors to our various conceptual and empirical representations, rather than looking to them for something to believe.

To obscure? I know, but I’m trying. We have been hypnotized for so long that reality has little relation to this thing we call our experience. Way beyond the Matrix. Rule of (Cosmic) Law will prevail, -in the long run, and our trick is to stay on the correct side of that Law.

Since my ‘realization’, (there is no enlightenment, only better tools) many years ago I can better learn to live outside of hope or despair. Yet I have always spoken to an empty house. So I learn about patience and everything is ok.

Still I can’t help but to consider the possibility that the context changing event that some speak of happening at the end of March may have something to do with a broader recognition of Cosmic Law.

12:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cairo and 666:
58 years later (from 1947):

2005: 14th of March: CAIRO: EUs PR speaker Mrs Wallsröm says to "blow fresh life" into, i.e. confirms a 7-year-treaty with Israel and other 15 countrys around the Mediterrean Sea.
http://europa-eu-un.org/articles/en/
article_4448_en.htm

The origianl deal (barcelona november 1995) as well as the confirming one (ENP 1.1.2007-31.12.2013=7years)was brokered by Javier Solana, who not just commanding over the EU military (with help of "WEU rec 666"), also sits on the post for Foreign Affairs, Genaral secretary of coucil of EU and second of EU Commission.(originlly created by document 666, EU archives in Vienna) . His mother was big fan of Francis Bacon and Baghwan ("Osho")...

In a biblecode Solana is named "Horus"...

have fun...very nice blogger Jeff! Thankf for your work!

1:08 AM  
Anonymous Sepka the Space Weasel said...

It's not so much that I don't "get" the parapolitics, as that I consider it to be background noise. It's flashy and showy, but in the end really signifies nothing more than business as usual. If someone could point to a time or a place where the ruling class really had the best interests of the ruled at heart, where politics was open and honest, and where public officials thought first of those they served, I might reconsider.

The rich and powerful have always acted in ways calculated to preserve their power and riches. There's nothing new or novel to that, and there should be nothing especially surprising about that. Most importantly, it's not a conspiracy. It's the simple result of human nature. People with riches and power act to preserve them. Hunting endlessly for the lynchpin of the Grand Conspiracy gets you nowhere, because there isn't a Grand Conspiracy. There never was. All there is is a cabal of rich people with common interests, most of whom are completely ruthless and amoral, and all of whom are dedicated to preserving their station in life.

Most importantly, the ruling class evolves inevitably into the form that it shows because of the pressures put upon it by the ruled. The people in power didn't get there by performing some trick or magickal operation - they got there because they understood the nature of power, and because they understood that no-one, King, President, Comrade or Fuehrer, can rule without conforming to the expectations of those he rules. Part of those expectations involve helping to maintain the people's illusions, and myths about themselves and their society. A people get not just the government that they deserve, but the one that they want, consciously or not.

In the end, the study of parapolitics is simply the study of politics. I can't work myself into a froth because my rulers say one thing but do another. It has worked that way since time immemorial, and there's little to no prospect of a change. I strongly doubt that I or most people would be happy or comfortable in a world that ran differently. If the current stratum of rulers were swept away, the ones who replaced them would turn out the same. We all like to talk about idealism, but we're not idealistic creatures. Each of us, with rare exceptions, is most interested in ourselves.

In short, politics and parapolitics are no more than bread and circusses, to placate the masses.

Now UFOs and the Fair People, on the other paw... Something very interesting is happening there, and has been since 1947 or so. Such encounters were common in ancient times, then slowly died away until they were almost unknown for the previous few centuries, recalled only in stories thought fit for fools and toddlers. Now, suddenly, they're back again, and with a vengeance.

Why? What changed? I haven't the first clue, and I'm trying to keep an open mind. Maybe Parsons' Bablon Working had something to do with it. Maybe the government did something ill-advised. Maybe it was just time. Maybe it was none of those, and I'd not recognize the answer if it hit me over the head.

Regardless... A change has occurred there. Things are not as they were. Something has happened. Study may well turn up clues as to what it was. Politics and parapolitics, though, rumble timelessly along, imperturable in their course. The outer forms change, the Important Cause is occasionally swapped out when it grows stale and loses its power to motivate, but by and large things remain as they were.

In the end, my attention is caught more by an unexplained phenomenon than by a stage play.


And, as an aside to those who've read this far: Could the "anonymous" posters perhaps distinguish themselves by posting as "other" and making up an identity? You needn't give any identifiable information to do so, and it makes the thread of arguments much easier to follow. Thanks!

-Sepka the Space Weasel

6:39 AM  
Blogger Sounder said...

To Sepka the Space Weasel,

Excellent presentation of your position. While I agree that there is no Grand Conspiracy, it may be that we are driven more by human habit than by human nature. Because we do not realize the difference we remain passive and easy to control.

you said,
'The Important Cause is occasionally swapped out when it grows stale and loses its power to motivate, but by and large things remain as they were.'

What you call the Important Cause, I call our criteria for understanding. I would think that forward thinking folk would be interested in shaping these criteria so that it may be somewhat more immune to being co-opted by the PTB.

8:15 AM  
Anonymous slomo said...

Such encounters were common in ancient times, then slowly died away until they were almost unknown for the previous few centuries, recalled only in stories thought fit for fools and toddlers. Now, suddenly, they're back again, and with a vengeance.

Why? What changed? I haven't the first clue, and I'm trying to keep an open mind. Maybe Parsons' Bablon Working had something to do with it. Maybe the government did something ill-advised. Maybe it was just time. Maybe it was none of those, and I'd not recognize the answer if it hit me over the head.


I don't think anything has changed on the "other side". All of us have brushes with the numinous, but not all of us are willing to process the experience. Tim Boucher has a project where he encourages his readers to report their own personal ghost stories, under the assumption that such encounters are commonplace, just not talked about.

What I really think has happened is that there was a brief period of about 100 or 200 years where the West believed in a positivist materialism that excluded such phenomena, but in the last 25 years we have, collectively, come to realize the limits of rationalism. We have once again started to pay attention.

I don't think it is Crowley's Babalon working that caused the influx of paranormal weirdness so much as a sign that we, collectively, now welcome such incursions.

9:40 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From the writings of Jack Parsons, 1946:


The present age is under the influence of the force called, in magical terminology, Horus. This force relates to fire, Mars, and the sun, that is, to power, violence, and energy. It also relates to a child, being innocent (i.e. undifferentiated). Its manifestations may be noted in the destruction of old institutions and ideas, the discovery and liberation of new energies, and the trend towards power governments, war, homosexuality, infantilism, and schizophrenia.

This force is completely blind, depending upon the men and women in whom it manifests and who guide it. Obviously, its guidance now tends towards catastrophy.

The catastrophic trend is due to our lack of understanding of our own natures. The hidden lusts, fears, and hatreds resulting from the warping of the love urge, which underly the natures of all Western peoples, have taken a homicidal and suicidal direction.

This impasse is broken by the incarnation of another sort of force, called BABALON. The nature of this force relates to love, understanding, and dionysian freedom, and is the necessary counterbalance or correspondence to the manifestation of Horus.

...one further point. It should be remembered that all human activities, after the vital functions are fulfilled, arise from the need to love or to be loved. It is therefore quite literally true that in understanding (i.e. that which embraces all categories of love) is all power given.

12:29 AM  
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10:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"A strong windstorm beginning suddenly about the middle of the first invocation.... I retired about 11 PM, and was awakened at 12 PM by nine strong, rapid knocks. A table lamp at the opposite corner of the room was thrown violently to the floor and broken. There was no window in this corner, and no wind was blowing at the time.

(Note. I have had little experience with phenomena of this sort. Magically speaking, it usually represents "breaks" in the opera- tion, indicating imperfect technique. Actually, in any magical opeation there should be no phenomena but the willed result.)

Jan 11. Invoked twice, using blood.

Jan 12. Invoked twice. A heavy windstorm.

Jan 13. Invoked twice. Windstorm continued.

Jan 14. The light system of the house failed about 9 PM. Another magician who had been staying at the house and studying with me, was carrying a candle across the kitchen when he was struck strongly on the right shoulder, and the candle knocked out of his hand. He called us, and we observed a brownish yellow light about seven feet high in the kitchen.

I banished with a magical sword, and it disappeared. His right arm was paralyzed for the rest of the night.

Jan 15. Invoked twice. Later, in my room, I heard the raps again, and a buzzing, metallic voice crying "let me go free."


The gates shall fall and the irons break
in the Birth of BABALON.

9:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

...all human activities, after the vital functions are fulfilled, arise from the need to love or to be loved.

"Basically it was found that plants respond more to the thought of being cut, burned, or torn than to the actual act. He discovered that if he tore a leaf from one plant a second plant would respond, but only if he was paying attention to it. The plants seemed to be mirroring his own mental responses.

He concluded that the plants were acting like batteries, storing the energy of his thoughts and intentions. He said of these experiments: “I learned that there is energy connected with thought. Thought can be pulsed and the energy connected with it becomes coherent and has a laser-like power.”

Marcel discovered that the greatest cohering agent is love. This, of course, set him apart from his fellow scientists. At a time when many still don’t acknowledge that an observer affects what they are observing, the notion of love was a totally unscientific idea. Even when cloaked in the garb of a term like resonance it was unacceptable.

To Marcel, love was (and is) a pure force. Certainly we experience it as an emotion, but this is our experience of something that is beyond emotion. He likened it to gravity, an attracting and cohering force present at every level of existence. Without this relationship an important aspect of scientific investigation is missing, preventing us from discovering and exploring the more, perhaps most, subtle aspects of life...

Vogel

3:59 PM  
Anonymous dave said...

Numbers are not words although they can be made to seem interchangeable by assigning the value of one to the other. The chief value and the chief problem with numbers is that there are various methods to arrive at the same number. 2x3=6, 3+3=6, 8-2=6 12/2=6 the answers are all the same, but the importance lies in the method of achieving the answer or in stating the problem. All methods will get you an answer. Some of the time if the answer or the method is agreeable, it seems to make sense, or agrees with the disposition of the poser of the problem it is seen as a wonderful coincidence, but mostly that's all it is. A coincidence. One six is not all sixes even in words. The context is key.

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