Saturday, November 12, 2005

American Leviathan (Part Two)



"They won't let me testify. I told the cops that you saved my life and they just acted like I was crazy.... They got it all backwards." - Sin City

You may be familiar with the case of attorney Richard Hamlin, who claims his life was threatened by a generational Satanic cult to which his wife Susan belonged. If you only know it from corporate journalism, then something like this, which appeared October 26 in the Sacramento Bee, must be close to the sum of your knowledge:

A well-known veteran defense attorney and former Sacramento County prosecutor, Richard Hamlin is charged with 18 felony counts of torture, spousal abuse, making death threats, negligent discharge of a handgun and child endangerment. If convicted, the 45-year-old faces a life term in prison.

In opening statements to the jury of eight women and four men, Deputy District Attorney Vicki Ashworth said the case had nothing to do with conspiracies or devil worshippers.

"This case is about domestic violence and abuse," Ashworth said. No one else connected with the case has been charged.


But there's more, of course.

There's much worth reading regarding the case you won't find in the mainstream press, which is lazily playing to the state-sponsored consensus that conspiracies and ritual abuse simply do not exist, and for the defense to argue they do is to invite either a conviction or a ruling of criminal insanity. I won't reproduce all the material here, but three sites that should be of interest to those who know enough to maintain an open mind concerning such allegations are the official site for Hamlin's trial defense, Virginia McCullough's extensive coverage at Newsmakingnews.com, and this thread on the RI discussion board, to which Hamlin's brother Bradley is contribuing.

The case against Richard Hamlin follows upon a retraction by wife Susan of her February, 2004 confession to police of having sexually abused three of her four children and conspiring with members of a Satanic cult, including her father, Dr Sydney Siemer, to ritually murder her husband. (The police report can be read here. From the report of Deputy Murphy of the El Dorado County Sherriff's Office:

Susan originally told me that she is a Satanist and has ritually molested their four children, including digital penetration, under the instruction of her father (Sydney Siemer). Susan said her whole family is involved in a Satanic cult and that her father had raped her when she was a young girl and "passed her around to whoever else wanted to rape her."

Susan said there are child porn and snuff film tapes in her dad's house in Fresno and in a self storage center in Indio (Southern California). Susan said she started molesting her kids in 1996 and that her dad Sidney taught her how to put her kids in a "trance like or hyper relaxed stage." ... When we asked Susan if any of her kids knew about these incidents, she replied that in kindergarten in EDH, _____'s teacher had asked him to complete the sentence "I WISH MY MOM ____." _____ completed the sentence by telling the teacher "WOULD STOP LICKING ME."

Detective Hoagland, Lensing and I then re-interviewed Susan alone while tape-recording the interview. Susan waived her miranda rights and again made the same statement and confession during questioning.


Two letters Susan sent her father in 2003 are reproduced by Virginia McCullough here. The first, addressed "Dear Dad" and signed "Your baby," was composed while she struggled to make sense of childhood memories suggestive of abuse. Significantly, not all the memories are those she'd lately recovered: "One memory that I never really gave a second thought to in the past, but that has begun to cause more concern for me lately, is one that you could shed some light on for me. I don't need help reconstructing the memory -- that has always been very clear in my mind." (That particular memory concerned his molestation of her young friend during a sleep over. In Richard's open letter he writes that the friend has been found and will testify in his defense.) Siemer responded with an application prohibiting harassment and an application for a temporary restraining order. Susan's next letter was simply addressed to "Sid," and is far more assertive:

The first clue you had was in your kitchen when I mentioned that I had so many gaps in my memories of childhood. We were specifically talking about when we lived on Colonial. I was in junior high and high school. You got such an odd look on your face. You were studying my expression to see if I was just stupid, or if I was doing a really good job of playing along with the secret. I was really convincing, wasn't I? You were worried for only a second though, and recovered very well with your comment about Mom's "multiple" suicide attempts during that period in my life. Of course I would want to put those little unpleasantness out of my mind, you told me. The problem is that the version of the family myth that I was told was limited to only one such attempt? and, now even that is in question since I have recently learned that, upon her release from the hospital a day or two later, she went to the YWCA ?a shelter for abused women, where she stayed for approx. 2 weeks.

And all the while I kept remembering more and more....


McCullough adds that "individuals who wish to remain unidentified have said that Dr. Sid Siemer is a high ranking member of a CIA sanctioned child molestation ring called "The Finders" and also a senior member of the Order of the Trapezoid, consisting of worshippers of the Temple of Set."

The case gets weirder, and yet more familiar.

Did you catch the reference to Indio in the police report? Does Indio sound familiar? Does Indio sound like Casolaro? At one stage in his research into the guns and drugs and worse nexus that dominates America's parapolitical life, Danny Casolaro considered calling his book "Indio."

The man who led Casolaro into the world of the Octopus was Michael Riconosciuto, who claimed to have been research director of a joint venture of the Cabazon Indian tribe of Indio and spook-heavy security giant Wackenhut, where he modified PROMIS software on behalf of the US government which had stolen it from the Inslaw Corporation, in order to create a "back door" with which to spy into the files of PROMIS's client nations.

As Riconosciuto stated in his sworn affidavit on the Inslaw case, filed March 21, 1991, "the sovereign immunity that is accorded the Cabazons...made it feasible to pursue on the reservation the development and/or manufacture of materials whose development or manufacture would be subject to stringent controls off the reservation."

Last March 30, Riconosciuto sent a Letter of Judicial Notification to the Chief Judge of the Superior Court in El Dorado, with regard to the Hamlin case, though he will not be permitted to testify. He has informed the Hamlin defense that "Dr. Siemer worked on illegal biological warfare research for the CIA and US Intelligence groups in Indio in 1982." Richard's brother Bradley has posted that Siemer "doesn't deny working for any particular place, but Susan denied in court that Sid had worked in Indio, CA where supposedly her worst abuse took place--during the time of the whole Indian Cabazon Wackenhut controversy was going down.... Again, when asked, Sid freely admitted that he had worked in Indio during the 80s. So even between Sid and Susan they can't keep their story straight." Yet he adds that "Susan Hamlin was the first person to mention Indio. That's rock solid. We have it in writing. She said her father took her to Indio, California and torturted her in a cold storage facility. When I looked into Sid and his friend Wayne Reeder who was supposed to also be there at the time...the Cabazon situation popped up." Wayne Reeder, an "alleged CIA operative" writes Kenn Thomas and Jim Keith in The Octopus, was a business partner to both Dr John P Nichols, who developed the Cabazon venture, and Neal Bush, defaulting on over 14 million dollars to the Silverado and the San Marino Savings and Loan companies.

If you're wondering where Ted Gunderson may be in all of this, you don't know Ted Gunderson. But more interesting is the question, where was Ted Gunderson? Bradley Hamlin writes that "I was already looking into Indio/Cabazon before I contacted Ted, but one of the very strange 'coincidences' that happened was finding out that Gunderson was there in Indio, too, during the same time period. I had no idea he was there until after I contacted him! Very strange."

Very strange. And not just this story, and not just Gunderson's mercurial knack for choosing his spots. There are too many threads to have been woven together by chance. And too many bodies.

Cheri Seymour wrote in The Last Circle, her samizdat sequel to Casolaro's manuscript, the sole copy of which was stolen at the scene of his murder, that "according to Riconosciuto, they [the circle about CIA op Robert Booth Nichols, Casolaro's highest placed source on the Octopus] all called themselves 'The Chosen Ones,' wore skull and crossbones rings, and shared a common interest, if you could call it that, in the old German SS occultism, its tribal and inner circle rites."

Should we call it an octopus, or something worse? Can this thing possibly have only eight tentacles?

Readers of The Sacramento Bee are likely to call all of this a paranoid delusion. Especially since Gary Webb doesn't job in Sacramento anymore.

56 Comments:

Anonymous starroute said...

You realize you just screwed up my entire filing system? I mean, there's the folder called "CIA," and the one called "Deep Conspiracy," where I've got subfolders with names like "Octopus" and "Pedophiles" and "Bush Family," and then the one called "Scandals" . . . And there's always been a certain degree of overlap, but I'd just gone through and gotten things reasonably well sorted out and thought it would hold for a while . . .

This stuff really does all want to run together like beads of mercury, doesn't it? I used to think that at least the Neocons were off in a corner of their own, but thanks to Vallely, even that isn't possible any more.

I'm thinking of giving up and making just one big folder and calling it "The Mess." That would probably come as close to the truth as anything.

9:09 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

PROMIS - a legend or something completely different ?

my second to favorite reading genre after scifi is conspiracy theory, so for a long time i have read about the tribulations around that supposedly marvellous piece of software.

the story so far i know it is that it is a piece of software written by a small company for the purpose of helping prosecutors do their work. then, because it was so good, it was supposedly stolen from that company by elements of the usgov, modified, and peddled to other govts all over the world, and also to shadier organizations and to some financial institutions. according to (unverifiable) reports, even osama - that bad boy - was able to escape because he had a copy.

while the people who mention PROMIS have never bothered to describe the software in any detail, i have read claims about its capabilities which range from being a simple frontend for an archive of static data offering some functions to help organize and correlate data, to almost magic capabilities including the ability to spot anybody and anything anywhere on the planet, predict movements of actors of interest and interpret or even nunderstand huge streams of data in almost real time.

after reading all this, i asked myself:
1. what IS PROMIS ?
2. what resources would it need in order to offer the capabilities it is claimed to have ?
3. has anyone EVER seen a working copy of this software installed, anywhere ? (not hearsay but firsthand).

my tentative answers would be:

1.
a) it is probably, at its simplest, merely a special case of software application like anybody who works in an office knows: input forms, output screens, bugs, and behind that some form of database either local or over the network or part/part.
b) an advanced data visualization program (imagine something like google earth but with LOTS more features) able to interface into a huge database with sophisticated data mining capabilities, where most of the data processing and analysis capabilities would be remote. the user would only carry around a laptop able to access the datacenter via secure connection.


2.
in any case there would be the need for a HUGE computing base, databases being fed and interpreted in near-realtime able to fulfill complex queries from 1000's of users simultaneously. next there would be the need for equipment to exploit data sources in order to feed said databases. next there is need for a way of storing and transmitting those mountains of data in a secure way. next you need physical infrastructure: some land, buildings, a parking lot, electricity, lots of space to set up your computing equipment. next there is need for 1000's (thousands, not hundreds) of support personnel: tech, security, bureaucrats, janitors, ...

an operation for the purpose of making PROMIS possible would probably look like this:

http://tinyurl.com/bfjxc


3.
i think my tentative answer to 2. also answers this point.

probably some years ago a small company got a contract to develop a software system for some branch of the DoJ, but had the bad luck that their product (PROMIS) was "too good" or included ideas not common in other products competing for govt contracts. IIRC PROMIS is a creation from the 1980's, a time when database mining was in its infancy or had not even been invented. now suppose it included some novel techniques to correlate and filter apparently unrelated points of data - what is known today as database mining ... well, everybody knows what happens to geeks in a world of jocks: geeks get beaten up plus the jocks take their lunch bag.

to sum it up, what probably happened whas that a small company too good for their station in life was screwed out of the market in a rather ugly manner. govt contracts are a hot market, epecially computer related contracts. the big, interesting and lucrative contracts go to big players like IBM, M$ or oracle, smaller companies can still survive in niches and doing very specialized work which is not lucrative enough for the big ones, or as subcontractors.

the techniques used in the original product probably were appropriated, adapted and evolved for other purposes beyond those of the authors of the original product. whatever PROMIS is today, it is almost sure something very different from what it was when sold for the first time. also, "PROMIS" is probably a synonym or closely related to that other technical marvel known as "Echelon". Both are probably core services offered by "no such agency" to their customers.

if "PROMIS" is sold to whomever, this means that the buyers still need access to the computing base where the real work is done. out of technical necessity even "rogue" elements like badboy osama need to have a current authorization issued by somebody working for the usgov in order to access the data, just like us mortals need to be up-to-date with the payment to our provider to be able to access the internet.

Does anybody have a better theory ?

9:26 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gary Webb never worked at the Sacramento Bee. He worked at the alternative weekly Sacramento News & Review. A list of the last stories published before his death is here: http://www.newsreview.com/issues/sacto/authors/garywebb.asp.

Re: The Hamlin case-Justice in El Dorado County can be convoluted. See this link: http://www.newsreview.com/issues/sacto/2002-09-12/cover.asp

The DA, Gary Lacy, has also been investigated by the El Dorado County Grand Jury. See page 20 of the report at this link: http://www.co.el-dorado.ca.us/grandjury/pdf_2002-2003/TableOfContents.pdf.

11:01 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One more link to El Dorado County DA problems: http://www.co.el-dorado.ca.us/grandjury/pdf_2002-2003/DAaction.pdf

11:07 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Happy Birthday Johnny G.!

your friend and fellow wordsmith,
Eileen McNamara

11:12 AM  
Blogger Jeff said...

"Johnny G."?

If you're talking to me, I don't get it. And I don't know an Eileen McNamara.

11:47 AM  
Anonymous Dream's End said...

Jeff, you may be attracting some respectable company for once!

Johnny G, of course, is Johnny Gosch, whose birthday is today.

And as for wordsmith Mcnamara, maybe she's the one at the Boston Globe?

If so...thanks for "slumming it" here with us!

12:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Happy Birthday Johnny G.!

your friend and fellow wordsmith,
Eileen McNamara
11:12 AM"

This certainly is provocative. Is this a reference to Johnny Gorsch? Is this Eilenn McNamara of the Boston Globe? Play on, "Eileen McNamara" - we need more hints.

12:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry, dream's end,

We posted nearly identical info. Great minds do think alike.

12:32 PM  
Anonymous Dream's End said...

I have an itchy google finger. What can I say?

And McNamara's appearance here is interesting. She has been attacked by the Moonies and also by Cockburn (for supporting the prosecution of some folks accused of RA...I can't find HER articles online about the Fells Acres case, but I find the attacks of her take on that case online. I'll keep looking.)

Of course, there's no way to even know if that's really her. But I suspect not only that it is, but that she's posted on our bulletin board.

12:49 PM  
Blogger Jeff said...

Ah - thanks, now I get it! I had to run out just as I saw the comment, and I read it as if the poster was addressing me as Johnny Gosch, which threw me off kilter. I'm familiar with the Globe's Eileen McNamara, but I didn't think she'd intend that. This makes much more sense (and I'm off kilter no more).

3:46 PM  
Blogger Jeff said...

Anon 11:01 am, thanks for correcting me re Webb and the Sacramento Bee. I've edited the post accordingly.

3:51 PM  
Anonymous Seventhson said...

One of the things that I have some degree of expertise in is a means of sociopolitical analysis technique known as "community network analysis".

This system is a means of determining and evaluating the depth or degree of interlocking sociopolitical networks through a statistical analysis of the specific ties between groups and individuals.

This is to some degree a refinement of the "Power Elites" expose by C. Wright Mills (I think) into a science.

The connections of the Bushes to the RA/Pedophile and intel networks involved in them as demonstrated here are a profound example of how Jeff's rigorous homework and analysis and intuition can expose the octopus or octopi.

This kind of evil networks back in my opinion to the ritual abuse of the Nazi youth by Rohm et al, condoned by Hitler until it became too burdensome to cover it up anymore.

The fact that Rohm came to the Americas (Latin America) after his associations with Hitler were firm (as part of IMO, Nazi Fifth Column operations) in the late 1920's indicates that this kind of operation and modus operandi were extant in the Americas well before many of us have considered them.

Just food for thought.

Great work Jeff and all.

4:04 PM  
Anonymous jon72 said...

jeff,

long-time listener here. my question is: with so many posts and stories covering satanic ritual abuse and crowley and cults and satanism, etc, what are your thoughts on satan himself? real entity beyond the hype? i read with interest your various mentions of malchi martin; obviously this person had a grounded belief in the reality of Evil himself... i mean, i know that our tendencies are to see ourselves as too sophisticated for such, opting to dissect the many cases you bring to our attention with a clinical, secular eye; is it too daring to ask: satan--real beyond belief? or are we left to simply bemoan the fact that the world is simply *that* fucked up? your thoughts...

4:25 PM  
Anonymous Dream's End said...

seventhson,

it's interesting you posted that. I was just thinking that it would be interesting (time consuming but interesting) to compile a database that could look for just such links. Maybe we could even use the "promis" software, lol.

the idea would be to compile every RA case with all details possible. There's a network of psychotherapists who are either a) planting memories or b)specializing in RA who could provide many details from clients while keeping them anonymous.

I'd treat every story as "true" but expect lots of "noise." It would be quite interesting to see the results...locations, people, etc.

4:35 PM  
Blogger blogbart said...

re Anonymous said...
PROMIS - a legend or something completely different ?

It is frustrating that "non-technical" people commonly ascribe sometimes near mythical powers to IT. More technical minded people, particularly those who actually work with hardware or software in more advanced capacities, are much more grounded in analysis of IT capabilities.

For that reason, it is refreshing to see the post by the Anonymous person mentioned above, who has probably described more or less what PROMIS is all about.

I too suspect that "PROMIS" is really a core part of Echelon. That said, there is probably not anything so unique about PROMIS but that it was the first of the better data mining tools ie better algorithms, data model, etc. It is certainly not software from aliens or so powerful as to be magic. Just good for its time; and since well funded and much expanded so that it likely does not resembel the original application.

Many writers tell of PROMIS being distributed in commercial applications as a back door or trojan to allow covert access. This is entirely possible and is very likely an unadvertised "feature" in all enterprise software such as SAP, Peoplesoft; middleware such as Cognos, Microsoft CRM; and also perhaps in desktop applications such as MS Office, Quicken, etc.

There is also every possiblity that trojans are constantly salted throughout the IT-sphere, with the possibility of being hidden in increasingly larger application install files or perhaps simply by being placed in plain sight but in innocent appearance. These trojan "hooks" could be injected into an authentic file's code, or in a swapped file - dll or other library or application files. There are already many law enforcement capabilities of accessing applications through legislated back doors, so covert agencies could simply enter, replace, update, etc at will.

There is no doubt that these massively funded and classified efforts ie PROMIS, are more sophisticated than what is commercially available but they are not likely to be that much more advanced. The hardware will be more robust than most commericial entitiies could cost effectively afford ie, access to supercomputers in government facilities for processing voluminous, large and complex transactions.

The poster is also quite correct in saying that like us mere mortals users of this sprawling system would need to have difficult to obtain and very secure access to more centralized assets such as processing and databases. However, that said, there is no doubt that the ability to ride in on dispersed back doors etc is available to non-authorized persons, who may very well have their own mini-PROMIS systems from when they were in a position to obtain it ie, former government officials or covert persons.

This is likely to be the case in the futures as with computational capacity increasing in double exponential fashion (a la Ray Kurzweil see kurzweilai.net), the IT edge currently held by government funded entities will be rapidly diminished. No doubt the wealthy and powerful entities and persons are already in possession or pursuit of these capabilities for purposes that may be commercial but coloured with espionage, political influence, workplace control, etc.

Thankfully, the bar lowers to allow us mere mortals to gain from this IT proliferation. Then people like Jeff our wise host, can have the possibility of actually garnering data on his own for his discussions.

4:54 PM  
Anonymous Jim said...

Dreams End, NOW YOU'RE TALKIN'!
Years ago, here in Oz, we had a gummint criminal inquiry called the "Painters and Dockers Inquiry" named after a labour union of the same name. The prosecuters uncovered an extraordinary amount of criminal activity and one major reason was a database. Whenever a name surfaced three times in others' testimony, that person got their very own file and investigation.
I have often thought the same sort of operation would be devastating for the perps we are talking about. There is a lot of information out there but it needs collating and sifting.

5:07 PM  
Anonymous Seventhson said...

I know that there is a lefty political suite that has all these types of names in a database which connects the dots.

I forget the name though.

But it is a popular one.

It seems that some type of database connecting these dots would be a very useful - especially if it could be linked here with updated info regularly.

I do not have the capacity to do it myself - but the nifty thing about it would be that we could enter data for review by Jeff or someone he trusts, and the links would be there for all to see.

Having set up such a massive database for a historical sociopolitical project I worked on for submission to the federal government (as part of an application for federal benefits of a client group), I would suggest keeping it simple:

Name, Date of "events" covered, and a brief summary of the info.

For example, Neal Bush, Silverado, !980(s), Banking scandal, ties to ("RA or Intel figure -(name)").

Data could be kept on each name and group or entity entered.

Part of what is key is keeping dates and supportive links in the data portion so that readers can see the source data for themselves.

Doing a sociopolitical community network analysis on the names (especially the extent and degree and number of intersects) would then be fairly easy and documentable.

A section for readers comments also could help so that we could pool data and add to it (with the caveat that links be provided for factual assertions, etc.)

I know this is not much of an original idea - but if a database entry system could be put into a forum for our submissions of data and a simple format, we could all add to it and fact check it on an honor system so that jeff would not be burdened.

First thing I would do is take the names, dates, organizations, links and brief comments/summary sections and put the existing names in it.

Forming a handful of subject areas (with cross-references where advisable) would help not muddy things too much or make oit too unwieldy.

For example: Felix Rodriguez, CIA, Bush, Skull and Bones, execution of Che Guevara (date).

Names of individuals and organizations (i.e. ""The Chosen Ones" or "Skull and Bones") would be the primary initial data fields.

Just a thought.

7:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm reading the comments about PROMIS with much interest as a software guy myself. I've worked with some big CRMs but have never found any strange port activity but I presume that's because my installs are nowhere very important (car windscreens and auto-parts?!?). Always thought it was the non-tech people getting to excited - it's pretty hard to get systems working nicely together even today but I can't really speak about gov systems or what the Pentagons got.

7:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Which one is not like the others?

1. Gary Webb

2. Danny Casolaro

3. Michael Aquino

4. Jim Keith

If you have chosen correctly, then welcome to the Mensa Society.

8:45 PM  
Anonymous starroute said...

There's an interesting site called TouchGraph. It's kind of the poor man's PROMIS. Type in any URL and Java will grind away to produce a map of other sites which are linked back and forth to that one, and then more sites that are linked to those. (Either that, or your browser will freeze completely. Java can be like that sometimes.)

For example, Rigorous Intuition comes up with heavy linkage to Xymphora, The Propaganda Matrix, Memory Blog, Pop Occulture, and Fantastic Planet -- and second-order links to things like Greg Palast and Jeff Rense. (Not to mention Ecclesia Gnostica in Nova Albion -- whatever that is. Or am I marking myself as hopelessly uncool by having to ask?)

At the very least, it can be a fun way to find new sites you might find interesting. And on the flip side, it can turn up the associates of sites you find suspicious, or networks of association among various subterranean cultural factions.

9:51 PM  
Anonymous oak said...

Anonymous 11:12 said...
Happy Birthday Johnny G.!

your friend and fellow wordsmith,
Eileen McNamara


What's interesting about this is the possibility that someone thinks "Johnny G." reads RI and so is using RI to send some kind of message to him.

Or maybe someone is just mind-f*cking with us...

10:29 PM  
Anonymous Mys-Stick said...

Excellent job, Jeff. I've been following this "Octopus" for more years than I can remember. I didn't know about the book "The Sequel" which goes deeper into Casolaro's investigative info than the original "Octopus" book. A definite "must" read.

It does seem odd that following Ted Gunderson for so many years also, I've noticed that he turns up at very questionable locations.

My efforts to track down Michael Riconosciuto have been fruitless. Last I read, in an article by TG, he was locked up in prison, unlawfully of course, dying of terminal cancer. That certainly wouldn't shock me since I can't fathom why he's been allowed to live this long.

Also, I'd like to say, I'm new to your site and I'm finding it superb! Thanks again.

12:12 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

another software guy here. Reading between the lines I think the 'magic feature' of PROMIS must've been something like this:

auto-detection of database schemas / table layout ( the relevant databases'd all be sql-based, more or less, and as a prosecutorial tool the kinds of data looked for would be similar between databases, etc., and so organized similarly ... think of it as a very narrow problem domain -- people, places, financial transactions -- making it easy to guesstimate the and merge the semantics of databases ) and thus automated pulling of reports from all the at-that-time disparately run + structured local LEO databases.

It's a feature that makes sense at the time and would be mostly implementable with some clever-but-not-to-clever pattern matching code -- again, it's just finding a best-fit for databases containing similar kinds of data but not necessarily arranged similarly -- but would give an exponential increase in ability, because the typical hand-written gluecode would be autogenerated.

Between the private + other sectors catching up and increased standardization of software products, etc., the edge this feature would give you today isn't nearly as great as two decades ago, but it'd be pretty revolutionary back then and the above feature is consistent with the description of PROMIS's abilities. And, of course, it might have been written that way entirely by accident: rather than go through the tedium of writing glue code to merge records from 100 slightly different databases some clever but lazy programmer might've just automated that part, and thus was PROMIS born, perhaps.

12:15 AM  
Anonymous Jim said...

Thanks for your thoughts and sugestions, Seventhson. (I meant to give you a hat tip along with Dreams End in my previous post).
I know zip about computers and databases but I think someone will run with it sooner or later.
Do you have any thoughts on it, Jeff?

12:40 AM  
Anonymous thumper said...

My impression from researching the Gunderson/Riconosciuto connection is that these two at first tried to fight the 'bad' guys from inside the FBI and CIA (that kind of thing goes on all the time apparently-- the crash of PanAm 103 was an intramural CIA struggle, for example) but something that Riconosciuto saw at an underground facility in Australia changed his mind about staying 'inside'. I have wondered if he saw some stuff involving mind control child abuse. Up to that point these two had even discussed getting their hands on drug money, or at least Gunderson was overheard saying something to that effect (this was all 15 years ago or so). I keep hearing of people's 'suspicions' about Gunderson and I don't quite understand this. I'm keeping a sharp lookout though, and am open to whatever the facts indicate but...some of it smacks of conservative anti-NWO vs. liberal anti-NWO which is mindboggling. The whole liberal/conservative thing is a cynical, artificial contrivance of the elite, to begin with.

Somebody was asking about news of Riconosciuto-- go to newsmakingnews.com and scroll down until you see a recent photo of him and an article or two about his involvement with Hamlin.

1:47 AM  
Anonymous milosevic said...


I know that there is a lefty political suite that has all these types of names in a database which connects the dots.


http://www.namebase.org/

3:15 AM  
Anonymous Seventhson said...

Thanks Milosevic

(But what's with the name?)

I am not sure f this is the one, but if I find it I will report back.

Other links would help too folks.

A useful tool in any event.

6:05 AM  
Anonymous iroquois said...

anonymous at 12:15am,

That's exactly my thought on PROMIS, except that I suspect that magic feature has undergone continued development in PROMIS offshoots if not in PROMIS itself to where it can "learn" to interface with many very different types of systems, not just traditional databases. Install it on the kind of equipment that anonymous at 9:26am was talking about and imagine that those data mining capabilities that anon and blogbart mentioned were likewise scaled to take advantage of those increased input capabilites and it may well deserve its current mythic status.

10:56 AM  
Blogger TonyForesta said...

Any internet mention of Riconosciuto supposedly links to a Promis like software. With all the bodies in the wake of research into Riconosciuto's activities and claims, a word or warning is probably warranted.

The original Promis program has no doubt evolved over time.
Just as Riconosciuto improved, adapted, and morphed the Inslaw software, there is certainly further improvement, adaptation, and evolution since then.

Echelon and that slithering reptile Poindexter's Total Information Awareness technologies and creepy machinations are one well known example. Heaven knows what these shaitans are working now, but we can be assured it does not involve the public good, or honor the public trust.

Gradually the nefarious pieces are coming together. "Olympians", underground hardened sites on Indian reservations beyond the reach of the legal system, or public review, Wackenhut and other private military companies working feverishly on recombinant chimera bugs and chem outside the purview and control of the socalled government, the radical increase in private military company funding, contracting, and the total lack of review, the old school spooks at war within the intelligence apparatus with the neo-fascist Bush Boyz, the Prescott Bush/Nazi/SS links, the NWO and OTO, the obvious neo-fascist designs and ambitions of cabals of warmongers and profiteers in or beholden to the Bush government, the supremist predatory delusions of Pax Americana, the nefarious satanic and pedophilic cults, connections, and proclivities, the perverted sex links, the almost total control of the US government by neo-fascist cabals in the Bush government, the subversion and perversion of the socalled MSM, the pending environmental catastrophe's, peek oil crisis, and result global economic upheaval, - I am sure many of you can add to the horroshow list, - but quite obviously - Houston, we have a problem.

Thanks for shining light on information purposely kept in the dark.

Heaven help us.

11:56 AM  
Anonymous Dream's End said...

Well, well, milosevic returns! You simply must be the same guy that I had the email exchange with way back when on my Dream's End blog. If this is you, then let me encourage you to post on the EZboard site for this blog. And the rest of you should trust me that he's a pretty sharp cat..with a twisted since of irony in choosing names.

I posted something in the "Eileen McNamara" thread on the bulletin board. Namebase does NOT work for me, but maybe you have to subscribe to get its full power. I can see the connections, but when you click to get more info on something it usually just gives a collection of other people that person is connected to. Great...but without knowing HOW, it can be misleading. For example, you could write an article about a bad guy and then you are linked to that bad guy.

I did use it to track down more info on the finders, but I guess I'd wanted more. Still, it's a start.

I specifically would be interested in an RA database. Either this stuff is happening in a more systematic, networked way, or it's not. That RA happens is beyond dispute, I think. But if it's really just some twisted people here and there, that doesn't tie in to any larger political picture. On the other hand, if it is a larger network, that would likely emerge by looking at all this data. On the third hand, this stuff may have too much high weirdness to track in such a linear way...but let's stick with the earthly till we run into a dead end!

And right now, in published books and websites, there are already a large number of such accounts. And once such a project got going, more would come in.

Rich people who read this site who'd like to fund this effort...do feel free to contact me! Actually, there may not be many rich people on this site, but techies we have...an online, secure, password protected, member's only (for now) website into which this info could be entered is what we need. How things are cross referenced, etc, is up for discussion. See the thread for more

1:09 PM  
Anonymous Catherine Austin Fitts said...

Great post. Thanks.

I would file this under:

WHO

as in "Who's Doing This"

as in "Dirty Tricks"

that make it possible for a few to control many.

Occult sex and practices are personnel benefits for some of the people who run things day to day -- like bankers and government oficials and corporate leaders.

Once you have a picture in their "control file" they will do whatever you say.

And if they will not do what you say, you can always simply take their child and use them in a snuff film, etc.

Sometimes, I am asked "Why does no one do anything."

In truth many have done things....and they and their children have been impoverished, maimed or killed.

The power of looking at WHO is really running this and the DIRTY TRICKS that they are using -- is that they we see that there are many tactics that can work that buypass these controls and leverage points.

It starts with facing what is really happening and how it really works.

And the cycle of disrepect that occurs when one group can systematically do this to another groups children and the second group pretends it is not happening -- for decades.

Catherine Austin Fitts
Former Assistant Secretary of Housing, Bush I

1:36 PM  
Anonymous Dream's End said...

This post is really becoming a magnet for all kinds of interesting people.

Welcome, Catherine. I've always been curious about something. Despite the fact that you are featured rather prominently as a contributor on Michael Ruppert's site, I never see anything about Peak Oil on your own site. Wouldn't that be an important factor in helping people invest, and wouldn't Ruppert's vision of total collapse make such investments irrelevant?

Also, I see on your site, helpfully linked from your post, that you appeared at a Pinnacle Quest International Seminar. Doesn't it bother you that PQI is a known scam? And that, specifically, it makes money with "investment schemes" since, you know, you also are trying to educate people about LEGITIMATE investment schemes. Surely you know of the reputation of PQI. Here's an article from a Consumer Reports type site:

http://www.consumer.org.nz/newsitem.asp?docid=1476&category=Scams&topic=Pinnacle%20Quest%20International%20warning

I find it a little worrisome that someone who is advising investors would be associated with such a pyramid scheme. In fact, it troubles me so much, that I'm going to reprint this on our bulletin board and invite you to respond there. Don't know if you will, but you do have fans on this site. Obviously, I'm not one.

2:01 PM  
Blogger TonyForesta said...

The silencing of Sibel Edmonds, Indira Singh and the intertwining of friend and foe trojan horse machinations of Ptech http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=17730 are probably one of the evolutions of Promislike applications.


Saudi/Bush crime family/arms, drugs/illicit financial connects are more likely reasons for the revenge outing of Valerie Plame and Brewster Jennings Associates, than simply discrediting Joseph Wilson.

Does anyone have any news on what is happening with Leandro Aragoncilla?

3:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've an idea about strange port activity. Imagine the electrical network that we all know and love. it powers our computers and for a brief time was bandied about as an alternative network for broadband. Every fricken computer is plugged into it, and it wouldn't take much to direct data across that to,... who knows?. That is currently the weakest "port" on your computer. I hope you all are ready for this, because nobody is really thinking outside the "box" yet. Hint-(Run your computers on battery power, charge your batteries seperatly) If you don't want to advertise your data.

Firstimer

1:57 AM  
Blogger CyberChrist said...

There is no way to run network traffic through a power outlet right now, so as of now, there is nothing to worry about. So please put the tinfoil away.. :)

2:13 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not that it matters, because really determined individuals can get at data, and there are probably a million back doors, but I've read about products that all an internet connection over the the power cable.
Maybe I'm wrong though. The following link might be an example

http://www.solwise.co.uk/net-powerline.htm

2:57 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's an example of the broadminded outlook of the Bush family to those who might stumble while on the path to righteousness

Ambassador de Sade

Apologies if you've covered it.

6:52 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

DreamsEnd:

Either this stuff is happening in a more systematic, networked way, or it's not.


Lean towards the latter DE &
you won't be far off base; see this comment by Catherine:

Occult sex and practices are personnel benefits for some of the people who run things day to day -- like bankers and government oficials and corporate leaders.

A data base is a good idea;
little need to hide it behind a firewall of secrecy - just back up w/ a mirror.

Catherine - a question seeking clarification re: this comment of yours:

I met with a group of high level people in the military in the process --- including the Undersecretary. According to John, the purpose of the plan --- discussed in front of several military or retired military officers and former government officials--- was to help the Navy adjust their operations for a world in which it was commonly known that aliens exist and live among us.

When John explained this purpose to me, I explained that I did not know that aliens existed and lived among us. John asked me if I would like to meet some aliens. For the only time in my life, I declined an opportunity to learn about something important.


http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0209/S00126.htm

If there's some truth to this was this just a one-off; i.e., if not then, why not now? Did you ever follow up on this? Was this simply an elaborate set-up, psy-op, to co-opt you in specific or non-specific ways? I would dearly love some clarification.

Always enjoy your in depth analysis
of the cryptocracy at work & play.
Tx


hanshan

9:58 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Johnny Gosch had a good birthday on November 12th, 2005.

2:18 PM  
Anonymous Dream's End said...

Well. Now someone acting as if they were WITH Johnny Gosch on the 12th is posting here. It may all be noise, but my, Jeff, what interesting noise is popping up around here.

And if it really IS someone who knows Johnny Gosch, I have a few questions. Maybe more like a few dozen. Well, a few hundred. But there's time? Meet me on the Message Board?

2:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does anyone know where Gannon is currently?

If his whereabouts is known seems to me that it wouldn't be that hard to secure a sample from him that could be used for DNA analysis. (Send in a Marine for this job :-O )

Actually I thought I'd heard he was getting DNA testing to dispel the Gosch/Gannon speculation. Did anyone hear the results?

5:03 PM  
Anonymous Jim said...

Here's an open letter from Richard Hamlin. I think someone should tell him about Gunderson, though.

6:34 PM  
Anonymous Jim said...

Sorry. here's the link. Duh!
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=36&contentid=2967&page=1

6:35 PM  
Blogger ELFIS said...

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PROMIS, Cabazon Indian Reservation, BioWarfare Research, Paul Bennewitz Affair (see PROJECT BETA by Greg Bishop).

www.Namebase.org

www.TheyRule.net

www.TouchGraph.com

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'Horse whisperer' struggles to understand slasher psychology
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The Universe is Only Pretending, Physicist Says
Like a Hologram, the Universe Merely Appears to Have Three Spatial Dimensions, Scientists Infer

By ALEXANDRA L. WOODRUFF
Contributing Writer
Wednesday, November 9, 2005

In quantum physics, nothing is as it seems. As physicists continue to study the universe they continually run into new questions that shake how humans understand the universe's intricate mechanics.

http://www.dailycal.org/article.php?id=20361

6:47 PM  
Anonymous poe said...

Richard M. Dolan studied at Alfred University and Oxford University before completing his graduate work in history at the University of Rochester, where he was a finalist for a Rhodes scholarship. Dolan studied U.S. Cold War strategy, Soviet history and culture, and international diplomacy. He has written about "conspiracy" in the following way:

The very label serves as an automatic dismissal, as though no one ever acts in secret. Let us bring some perspective and common sense to this issue.

The United States comprises large organizations - corporations, bureaucracies, "interest groups," and the like - which are conspiratorial by nature. That is, they are hierarchical, their important decisions are made in secret by a few key decision-makers, and they are not above lying about their activities. Such is the nature of organizational behavior. "Conspiracy," in this key sense, is a way of life around the globe.

Anyone who has lived in a repressive society knows that official manipulation of the truth occurs daily. But societies have their many and their few. In all times and all places, it is the few who rule, and the few who exert dominant influence over what we may call official culture. - All elites take care to manipulate public information to maintain existing structures of power. It's an old game.

America is nominally a republic and free society, but in reality an empire and oligarchy, vaguely aware of its own oppression, within and without. I have used the term "national security state" to describe its structures of power. It is a convenient way to express the military and intelligence communities, as well as the worlds that feed upon them, such as defense contractors and other underground, nebulous entities. Its fundamental traits are secrecy, wealth, independence, power, and duplicity.

10:23 PM  
Anonymous Mys-Stick said...

Thanks Thumper, for the info on Michael R. I'm getting a good education (fill in the blank style) reading these comments.

Now I could use a little more help. Can anyone tell me where I can get the book "The Last Sequel" by Cheri Seymour? Can't even find a listing in the LOC.

It certainly is disheartening, after reading so much, to discover just how far up the food chain this unholy alliance reaches. What I don't understand is how so much of the public has the need to keep their heads buried in the sand. If I'm gonna get bit I at least want to see the face of the dog doing the biting.

11:55 PM  
Blogger Jeff said...

My brain slipped in the original post. It's not "The Last Sequel," it's "The Last Circle." And while Cheri Seymour is the author's name, the book is credited to her pseudonym, "Carol Marshall."

It's an unpublished manuscript, and it's available online here.

6:12 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

QUOTE:

McCullough adds that "individuals who wish to remain unidentified have said that Dr. Sid Siemer is a high ranking member of a CIA sanctioned child molestation ring called "The Finders" and also a senior member of the Order of the Trapezoid, consisting of worshippers of the Temple of Set."

The case gets weirder, and yet more familiar.


yep.

See my comments about Dave McGowan's recent 2004 book on the "American Leviathan (Part one)" comment line, called _Programmed to Kill: the Politics of Serial Murder_

and to starroute, the first commenter:

"This stuff really does all want to run together like beads of mercury, doesn't it? I used to think that at least the Neocons were off in a corner of their own, but thanks to Vallely, even that isn't possible any more. I'm thinking of giving up and making just one big folder and calling it "The Mess." That would probably come as close to the truth as anything."


If you want to file "it" all in one big file, I think McGowan has done the cross referencing for you...


"seventhson" would 'like' (if you can like something like this) this book as well.

10:32 PM  
Anonymous COSMIC WANDERER said...

I UNDERSTAND YOUR PERPLEXITY AS IT RELATES TO THE TRAP DOOR etal re-PROMIS BUT MICHAEL WENT ON GERMAN TV TO EXPLAIN IT'S WORKINGS AS SIMPLIFIED AS ONE CAN GET, THAT IS; BUT AS I UNDERSTAND IT, YOU WOULD NEED A HIGH-LEVEL COMPUTER TEAM OUT OF NSA TO PUT IT TOGETHER, AS IT WAS INTENDED TO TRICK NSA SATELLITES TO RETRIEVE CLASSIFIED DATA!

DON'T WORRY THE FBI COULDN'T FIGURE IT OUT EITHER, THEY NEVER HAVE THE BRAINS JUST THE REPUTATION TO RIP OTHER AGENCIES OFF AND MAKE THEMSELVES LOOK GOOD!

COSMIC WANDERER

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