Thursday, October 20, 2005

Shadows and Fog



Just then a bolt of lightning struck the courthouse out of shape,
And while everybody knelt to pray the drifter did escape. - Bob Dylan


It's always interesting to watch what happens when the proudly incredulous bump up against intransigent darkness. Ponchatoula is one recent example; Jeff Gannon, whoever he is, may be another, if only for his incidental disinternment of Craig Spence. What is it that happens? Perhaps retreat to the rolled eyes of ridicule; perhaps stammering doubt about mechanistic models of humanity, the universe and everything. At this point, unless intellectual humility kicks in, the marshmallowing effect of consensus ignorance will swell like emergency airbags to fill the latest void left by shattered presumptions, and people go on as though the weird had never disturbed their world.

You may have read recently about the unsolved murder of Pamela Vitale, wife of attorney Daniel Horowitz. Thanks to starroute, I learned an interesting backstory that darkens the picture further.

From "Lawyers, Murder, Hit Men and the Devil":

Horowitz is currently defending Susan Polk, who stabbed her husband, famous psychologist Felix Polk, 15 times in their mansion...just 5 miles from where Horowitz discovered his slain wife.

Susan Polk's defense included tales of ritual abuse, Satanic cults and narcotics. Her 70-year-old husband was a cocaine-crazed lunatic who hypnotized his wife and children to make them obey his "sinister orders."


Polk alleges her late husband coerced her into a sexual relationship at the age of 16, shortly after he became her psychologist, and that it continued "under the guise of therapy" until she was 22. Interestingly, the San Francisco Chronicle further notes:

In 1987, Susan Polk claimed her then-18-month-old son was providing lurid details about suffering ritual abuse at day care. "The terror in our son's eyes is too profound," she told The Chronicle at the time, "and the details he has given about the blood...and about the screaming -- it's too much not to believe."

A mistrial has been declared in the Polk case and the jurors dismissed. "Polk, who will remain in custody, was crying in the courtroom when the mistrial was declared."

We need to exercise intellectual humility ourselves, and recognize the caution that admitting the reality of a criminal occult underground with a long reach and friends in high places does not mean it is always the guilty party. (Similarly, Professor Pan introduces a complex case from Lancaster, Pennsylvania: "Trances, satanic abuse - now a trial.") The Horowitz mystery may have another, and entirely mundane, solution, but as so often with charges of ritual abuse, evidence and leads suggesting the same are dismissed out of hand because of the presumption that no such thing exists. Susan Polk's allegations of ritual abuse at her son's day care and at the hands of her husband are more likely to be regarded in an American courtroom as evidence of a delusional state than as authentic leads to be pursued in the solution of a crime. (For instance, an hypothesis: was Vitale murdered as a message to Horowitz from a cult that does not welcome exposure?) So criminals evade justice, or cop to a lesser offense - think of Franklin's Larry King, who served time for fraud but not for child prostitution and ritual abuse - because their grotesque crimes challenge belief to the degree that they are assumed to be the product of mental illness, rather than, perhaps, its cause.

The world isn't black and white, but thinking it is would be a step up for those who never admit the legitimacy of ritual abuse claims and for those who can see nothing but the Goat of Mendes. There are a lot of colours out there, but we need to wreck the shadow and fog machines to see them. Until then, black and white is better than all black, or all white.

Update:

A 16-year-old boy who lives near homicide victim Pamela Vitale, the 52-year-old wife of well-known defense attorney Daniel Horowitz, has been arrested in connection with the killing in a remote part of Lafayette, two sources close to the investigation told The Chronicle this morning. Scott Dyleski was arrested Wednesday night at a relative's house on a warrant alleging murder and will be charged as an adult, one of the sources said. Investigators believe he killed Vitale by striking her 39 times in the head with a piece of crown molding, then carved some kind of gothic signature into her back, that source said.


More about the suspect, from Associated Press, with thanks to starroute:

"He was really gothic, always wore a long, dark jacket," said Kevin Etheridge, 16. "He'd hang out with a few kids, but he was pretty quiet, pretty much to himself."

Another student remembered him drawing a pentagram on the ground with chalk in junior high school and dancing around it with other students.

"He told people the book that he was carrying and reading from was the book of Satan," Keith Kingon said.

A man at the house where the suspect lived declined to comment Thursday as goats and chickens wandered around the property. A potbelly stove, a bathtub and dozens of baseballs littered the yard.

84 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

So you will be very interested to learn of the news released about 30 minutes ago, that a teen has been arrested in the murder, who apparently carved a gothic signature on Vitale's body.

12:57 p.m.  
Blogger Jeff Wells said...

Thanks, I've posted an update.

1:19 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

gothic signature??
what the hell is that?

1:42 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hit 39 times in the head. 39 lashes as suffered by Christ?

1:47 p.m.  
Blogger Et in Arcadia ego said...

Incredible.

It would be an extremely valuable insight to know what exact symbol was carved into the victim.

Not sure if you've seen this, Jeff, but here's a link of several audio interviews regarding abuse from the California Consortium on Child Abuse Councils - February 1988, of which Polk is only one, and her interview is described as Ritual Abuse.

They are not free($12 each), but may offer further insight:

http://www.conferencerecording.com/aaaListTapes.asp?CID=MAG88

1:49 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As the cirucmstance surrounding the Polk murder and trial unfold, recent events result in two very strange situations: 1) Daniel Horowitz's wife was killed and 2) The judge declared a mistrial as a result.
If you ask me, those two things are related. It seems that the killer got what he/she/they wanted: to halt the trial.
Jeff, I agree with your hypothesis that whoever killed Pamela Vitale wanted to stop the trial and postpone the emergence of evidence related to the Polk murder case.

1:50 p.m.  
Blogger tim said...

jeff. i live in the bay area. i was just about to send you a link on this updated arrest info. i knew when this woman was murdered that there was an occult angle due to horowitz defending polk and polk alledging ritual abuse. who will defend polk now?

1:56 p.m.  
Blogger plectic said...

Anonymous 1:50 :Cui bono?

At least the symbol wasn´t in arabic...

1:59 p.m.  
Blogger Et in Arcadia ego said...

I was surprised myself when I heard that the murder of the Attroney's wife would be grounds for a mistrial in the Polk case.

Not to be insensitive, but how is that relative? I could easily imagine postponing the case to a degree, maybe even a large one, but mistrial?

Something stinks here, but I'm no law expert..

2:02 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here is a link to the only article I could find regarding the recent arrest of Pamela Vitale's killer.....

http://www.sfgate.com/flat/archive/2005/10/20/chronicle/archive/2005/10/20/MNGHFFBCM713.html

They think that his motive stems from credit card theft....This kid was stealing credit cards from mailboxes to finance a pot farm.

But why the gothic signature? I don't buy that a mere pothead/thief would be motivated to beat a woman to death and then, mark her with an occult symbol....Am I missing something?

2:02 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Plectic, Well, I can't really say who benefits from postponing the trial.....It would be interesting to see the evidence and witnesses Daniel Horowitz had planned to bring into court.
Also, is anybody able to speak with Susan Polk to get her take on this situation? The fact that she began to cry as the judge declared a mistrial is very interesting.....What does she know?

2:13 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

sorry for dumping a long piece like this on the thread; i hope it's of interest.

- - - - - - - - - -

www.stratfor.com

Oct 17, 2005

The Vitale Killing and the Possible Eurasian Connection

Daniel Horowitz, a prominent California defense attorney and legal analyst, returned to his San Francisco Bay area home Oct. 15 to find his wife, Pamela Vitale, dead. A spokesman for the Contra Costa County sheriff's office said that Vitale's death is being treated as a homicide, but that authorities have no suspects or motives in the case.

Horowitz is notable for the clients he defends, including drug dealers and death row inmates, and currently is involved in the high-profile case of Susan Polk, who is accused of stabbing her psychologist husband to death in the pool house of the couple's home. Although newspapers are calling Vitale's killing a bizarre twist in the Polk case, Stratfor doubts the two are connected.

Horowitz also unsuccessfully defended former Ukrainian Prime Minister Pavlo Lazarenko in his 2004 trial on charges of fraud and money laundering. Lazarenko, who owns property in the San Francisco Bay area, is under house-arrest at an undisclosed location pending his sentencing, which is expected in December. Prosecutors in Kiev also suspect Lazarenko ordered the assassination of Vadym Hetman, a prominent banker and politician in Ukraine.

The San Francisco area is home to a large community of immigrants from the former Soviet Union (FSU) region. In 2004, the California Department of Justice focused on two groups in its report on organized crime -- Asian criminal gangs and criminal organizations from the FSU. Criminal organizations from the FSU generally are referred to as the Russian Mafia, although they include groups from Chechnya, Ukraine, Dagestan and other parts of the FSU. The California Justice Department classifies these groups under the general heading of Eurasian Organized Crime. Although criminal groups from the FSU are involved in a wide variety of criminal activity, the report cited money laundering and bank fraud as two areas in which Eurasian organized crime is expanding and becoming more sophisticated. Eurasian organized crime groups have a reputation for ruthlessness and violence. Killing someone in their own home is violent and personal -- both characteristics of organized crime killings, especially those by some Eurasian groups.

According to media reports, Horowitz recently told his partner and lifelong friend Ivan Golde that he had reason to fear for his life. He had surveillance cameras installed on his property and kept a gun in his home for self-defense. Additionally, the couple's home is reachable only by a single, long, winding road and protected by a locked gate operated by a keypad. Horowitz and Vitale, however, had been living in a trailer on their property while their new home was under construction, and had neutralized the security gate by posting the access code on it so that building contractors could easily enter. In addition, at least four other people lived on the property, increasing the number of people with access to and knowledge of the property's layout.

Although she was a former high-tech marketing executive, Vitale had been working with Horowitz, building and maintaining databases for his practice. In the course of defending Lazarenko, Horowitz or Vitale could have gained access to sensitive information regarding his alleged criminal activity. If that is the case, some Eurasian organized crime element could have had Vitale killed either to keep the information from getting out, or as a warning to Horowitz.

Lazarenko, who likely will be released after his sentencing because he already has been under house arrest longer than the maximum sentence allowed for his conviction, has announced his intention to return to Ukraine and re-enter politics. The Vitale killing, then, also could have been a way for Lazarenko to tie up potentially damaging loose ends before returning home.

[end of article]

2:22 p.m.  
Blogger tim said...

http://timinsf.blogspot.com/

2:40 p.m.  
Blogger Greg Tramel said...

the occult sure pops up everywhere
even when you least expect it

http://xyz/

4:07 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is being reported that the reason the young man went over to the Horowitz/Vitale home because he believed pot growing equipment he ordered had been mistakenly delivered there, and once at the residence he got into a fight with Vitale and killed her. Frankly, that story sounds utterly ridiculous. How and why would the pot growing equipment be delivered there? Someone at the house would have had to sign for the equipment once it arrived, which of course no one would do, and the idea that in such a circumstance the young man would suddenly going beserk and kill Vitale makes the tale even more ludicrous. Either the young man made up this story, or someone else made it up for him, that's my take.

4:14 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok, so what are the chances an MK ULTRA programmee lives next door who is employed to deliver an act of retribution to a guy defending a woman alledging ritual abuse?

If you can go to lengths like that, why not just have the defendant disposed of from inside?

How long has the kid lived there, for example? What's his background? These questions are pretty important if a connection is going to be proven.

The possibility that he used the gothic thing to throw off the cops knowing the man that lived there was involved in defending something like that sounds like something sloppy a pothead would think up in a pinch, and trust me, I've known plenty of potheads.

The 39 blows could just be a coincidence.

Or not..We need more information.

4:44 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anybody ever heard of the 'purple people', a commune within a few miles of this murder?

5:39 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

On the point raised by Et in Arcadio

A mistrial means that court proceedings have to start again from the beginning - the case will return to court but the evidence etc already heard will have to be presented all over again.

Probably Susan Polk will need to get a new attorney who would be unable to start in the middle of proceedings, that's why it would be a mistrial not just a postponement. She will also have to spend a few more months in custody with her case still unresolved.

5:56 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually the internal mechanics are consistent with a the pot-ordering equipment:

steal a card, get your package delivered to an address where no one ever appears to be home (ie people on a long vacation with no housesitters), and leave special delivery instructions both at the time of ordering and a note on the door to leave w/out signature; as long as you waive the need for a signature UPS and FedEx are entirely happy to leave stuff at the door, at which point the kid comes and removes the box and note.

So that's internally consistent, although the nature of the crime and the age of the kid suggest that at best he's a patsy or fall guy for a bigger group. The purple people might be worth looking into, also.

8:14 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

39 is am important number for the Illuminati.

I just read Angels and Demons where they branded those cardinals with air,fire,water and earth. The first guy was branded with Illuminati. This murder reminds me of that since I just read that book.

I wondered about a Paperclip connection. Born in 1932 to a wealthy Austrian family. Was Jewish and changed to Catholic. Was in the holocaust and then came to America. I couldn't help but wonder if he or his parents were in Project Paperclip.

9:08 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's the latest:

He was described as a quiet student at Acalanes High School in Lafayette, where he stood out because of his attire.

"He was really gothic, always wore a long, dark jacket," said Kevin Etheridge, 16. "He'd hang out with a few kids, but he was pretty quiet, pretty much to himself."

Another student remembered him drawing a pentagram on the ground with chalk in junior high school and dancing around it with other students.

"He told people the book that he was carrying and reading from was the book of Satan," Keith Kingon said.

9:44 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I remember the "purple people" when I lived in NEW ORLEANS. Every weekend, they would set up a make shift shop out of a purple van on Canal St. My wife and I bought our wedding rings from them.

10:11 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'd vote for a programmed delta assassin from a cult...and probably even HE doesn't know why he really did it. His assassin alter does, but he ain't gonna talk.

10:33 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

little man - Do you mean the purple people from Lafayette? (Actually, their commune is nestled in a valley right at the juncture of Lafayette, Walnut Creek and Pleasant Hill, so I'm not sure exactly which jurisdiction they're in.)

Anyway, I have heard blood-curdling accusations about their child kidnapping and molestation activities. Now, I must say, the source was not exactly unimpeachable, but he was involved in various dark, if minor, corners of northern California criminality.

10:35 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So if you killed someone in a bout of rage and fear, so hyped you hit/stabbed/shot them 39 times, would you then leave a signature unless you were in a gang or cult?

10:57 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you were in a gang or cult, why would you leave a signature that would make it so much easier to trace the crime back to you?

11:53 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"If you were in a gang or cult, why would you leave a signature that would make it so much easier to trace the crime back to you?"

Because you believe that the symbol has power in and of itself.

12:34 a.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Or, maybe just because you are freakin deranged.

12:50 a.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

such neat circles.
Horowitz should defend the boy.

2:01 a.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

off topic:
take a look at this link;
http://conspiracyarchive.com/News/ and see if that doesn't make you think of Jeff's "Nine Degrees of Seperation post from August. Page down till you see the post on Enneagrams. This has apparently been making inroads in portions of the catholic church.

3:05 a.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

off topic:
take a look at this link;
http://conspiracyarchive.com/News/ and see if that doesn't make you think of Jeff's "Nine Degrees of Seperation post from August. Page down till you see the post on Enneagrams. This has apparently been making inroads in portions of the catholic church.

3:06 a.m.  
Blogger Gerald T said...

Holy shit you got a lot of comments!!!

If only my blog got a 10th as many, then I would not be all alone!

The people surrounding you, the lights, the party!

lonley place;

http://fleeting-improvised-man.blogspot.com/

4:48 a.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous One,this whole Horowitz mess is begaining to smell like the Tate Murders.I wonder if that was the only sign that was found?And what about the goats and chickens running around the kids place? I hope his mom and pop aren't to surprised,of course the kid was jacked up on that wicked weed,sure,later.

6:35 a.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

a bit more from

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9698604/page/5/

"...Susan’s attorney, Daniel Horowitz obtained records which reveal that Felix attempted suicide decades earlier while he was in the Navy, spent months in a psychiatric ward, and was diagnosed as having a psychotic disorder.

Felix, claimed the defense, had been taking anti-anxiety medicine for years. But his autopsy revealed that at his death, he had stopped taking his medication.

Horowitz: There is no question that he was delusional from the 1955, before Susan was born when he was hospitalized for chronic mental illness to when he died when he had psychiatric drugs in his medicine cabinet. There is no question that this man was delusional.

Morrison: And yet he was able to have a successful practice. He had colleagues who believed in him. He was a respected man in the community. Now—what you’re describing and that doesn’t jive with those facts.

Daniel Horowitz, Susan Polk's lawyer: Well, it does in a way. Because we know that both things were true. He was very, very delusional. He was rageful. But he also was a pillar of the community..."

and from Carol Pogash

http://www.pogash.com/magazine.html

"...One of the first creases in Felix's otherwise ironed image occurred in the '70s, when "distinguished therapists" were invited to weekend sessions to learn about est, a New Age self-improvement movement founded by Werner Erhard. Felix said afterward that he'd "learned more in one weekend than in all four years of graduate school."...".

8:34 a.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Folks, you have this all wrong. Think of Horowitz as Abe Sapperstein in Rosemary's Baby. He takes on Polk's case for the Occultists in order to control and compartmentalize the damage. Polk thinks he's a trustworthy advocate just as Abe gave the impression of a grandfatherly physician.

Of course, this leaves the mystery of Hororwitz's wife. There is no doubt in my mind that it was an Occultist killing, but let's not assume Horowitz didn't condone it. Remember, these creeps don't play by our reality, so wife and husband don't carry the same meaning as they do for the majority of us mere mortals.

10:21 a.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Excellent point, Shrubageddon.

11:36 a.m.  
Blogger tim said...

Seems like the occult angle is being confirmed by numerous sources in the mainstream media. Although their spin seems to be that the kid was into drugs and money-making rather than ritualistic murder. But that ignores the inconvenient fact that Vitale had a symbol carved into her back.

12:05 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One question I have is just how many different kinds of weird shit are going on in California at any given time.

If these murders had occurred in, say, Iowa, I'd have little doubt they were connected. But California has been aslosh in New Age-y stuff since at least the 1920's. It's like a magnet for people with eccentric ideas and anomalous practices.

So it would help to know how many more random dots are out there before we start drawing connections between these two.

12:29 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

On the subject of turning teenagers into killers, remember that Gary Webb did a story shortly before he died about the US Army 'first-person-shooter' video that Big Brother watched being used online as a home-based farm team for the military.

Today's news is of a feature film called 'DOOM' that is based on a 'first-person-shooter' video.

The government works hard to turn American kids into killers.
>>>>>>>>

"Doom" movie puts viewers behind the gun


By Lisa Baertlein
Thu Oct 20,11:46 AM ET

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Hollywood is breaking ground
on the silver screen by putting movie fans in the seat
of trigger-happy game players as it tries to cash in
on gaming's popularity this Friday with a film
adaptation of the classic title "Doom."

In a novel sequence lasting several minutes, the movie
offers a taste of the first-person-shooter gaming
style introduced in the original "Doom" title, but
whether the gimmick will lure fans awaits weekend box
office results.

"Doom," based on the blockbuster video game series
considered to be the granddaddy of this generation,
pits an elite team of Marines against chromosomally
mutated monsters on Mars. When the film's action
peaks, the camera's perspective changes to that of
Karl Urban's "Reaper," the movie's hero, as he blasts
a series of gruesome aliens to bits.

"Doom" has had a long road to the movie theater.
Universal was the first to option "Doom" in the
mid-1990s, but let those rights expire. Two more
studios optioned it, but never made a film. And news
that the two young men responsible for the Columbine
High School massacre in Colorado played the game also
put a chill on the project.

>snip<

12:34 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jeff,

I'm a recent but big fan of your sight. I am especially interested in your take on occult activities, our community's involvement as well as law enforcement's and the government's involvement, specifically the CIA. I also love the UFO angle you have pursued in the past.

The Horowitz/Polk/Vitale case is surely intriguing. However, I need to point out that Susan's claim that her 18 month old son described in "lurid detail" ritualistic abuse at his day care is absurd. You are the proud father of a newborn and I of a two and half year old. My son is bilingual, counts to ten in Japanese and English, speaks as many as 80 to 100 words, some in both languages, and utters ten to fifteen phrases in both languages. Everything in between is baby talk. No 18 month old child can explain anything in lurid detail unless they are extremely gifted. You will realize this in 18 months. Susan Polk needed a psychologist at sixteen then married him. Her statement is as untrue as she is unstable. I'll write in 18 months to see whether or not you concur.

1:23 p.m.  
Blogger tim said...

That the Doom movie is coming out immediately following this atrocity is an irony that has not been lost on me.

1:45 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Simpler detail. Fear factor.
Non-pop goth kids study herbalism, ancient lore, and often try to develop ESP type abilities. Latent abilities are emerging further with each generation.

Wouldn't discouraging the next generation from exploring their mystical side be of benefit to a group that appears to rely on such powers?

Make parents afraid to let their kids explore. Just an extra facet to consider.

2:20 p.m.  
Blogger tim said...

hey anonymous,
you're tellin' me the kids that play doom 12 hours a day are studying herbalism the other 12? give me a break.

2:56 p.m.  
Blogger tim said...

ZERO HAVEN:
Harris and Klebold definitely didn't shop at Hot Topic. They weren't concerned about trends and WERE seriously disturbed individuals who not only dabbled in the "occult" but embraced Satanism and its sister, Nazism. I see that you're trying to deferentiate the two and I'm not trying to lug all goths into a single category, but there's definitely a sickening subculture developing here:

http://www.salon.com/news/col/cona/1999/05/04/nazis/print.html

Pay close attention to the portion on "black metal" and the musicians interests in things "Celtic" AND satanic. These neo-Pagans have a particuarly satanic bent to their "ancient" beliefs.

Peace...

4:13 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

all this brought to mind the recent bay area drowning of three children, alledgedly by their mother.

anyone aware of a possible connection to this topic?

4:33 p.m.  
Blogger Professor Pan said...

When people suggest that games like Doom are responsible for murders and other violent acts, I have to chuckle. If that was the case, the streets would be running with blood and every other thirteen year-old would be a carjacker a la Grand Theft Auto.

Do kids with violent tendencies gravitate towards violent games? Certainly.

Do many, many millions of nonviolent people play violent video games? Of course. They are games, and anyone with a modicum of a grasp on reality can separate shooting monsters in a game world and killing real humans in the real world.

In the 50s it was said that comic books were causing juvenile crime. In the 70s it was movies. Today it's video games.

I'm not saying violent games and imagery never have a deleterious effect on some people. But to suggest they are a plot by the gummint to turn our kids into murder machines -- that's absurd.

For what it's worth, I enjoy playing Doom and other first person shooters, and I practice as well as preach nonviolence.

4:46 p.m.  
Blogger tim said...

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

5:01 p.m.  
Blogger tim said...

Pan: They are games, and anyone with a modicum of a grasp on reality can separate shooting monsters in a game world and killing real humans in the real world.

The problem here is that the games are harmless to one with a firm grip on reality, but deadly practice for someone who has been hypnotized by a combination of drugs, depression, satanism, anti-social behavior, and aggressive music. Again, I don't want to generalize, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that these games often are one ingredient in a dangerous concoction that usually is allowed to bubble over.

5:02 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I picked up the Xbox expansion of Doom 3's Resurection of Evil and I haven't killed anyone all week.

I'm a gamer from way back, and the violence in these games simply does not cross over into my daily existance whatsoever..

5:03 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

tim: they're not even good practice, really.

The tactics that'll get you successfully through Doom or any other of its ilk will get you thoroughly shot to bits or otherwise brought down in any realistic combat situation.

People who are into paintballing might be getting training, but all the games like Doom et al. train you for is hand-eye coordination and quick wrist response; if you see goths jogging, going through obstacle courses, practicing hiding in plain sight, or otherwise undertaking military training, be concerned. As is, Doom et al. just make idiot perps easier for cops who know what they're doing to beat in a firefight.

6:15 p.m.  
Blogger tim said...

anonymous,
you're points are taken, although i think my thesis was that the virtual reality of battle and violence may prompt those with darker tendencies and/or mental/emotional problems to action. however, let's all try to keep the focus on the occult nature of this crime, not the ethics of video gaming.

7:15 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was starting to think we were in the middle of an "X-Files" with all that video game stuff, HOWEVER, I have noticed more commercials for 'military' based video games lately. That could just be a way to get the tity tots into wanting to join.

10:04 p.m.  
Blogger Greg Tramel said...

anybody find a picture?
abc

synchronicity #133 i planned and watched M before reading this post today, watching "a physical hisoty of M right now?

11:46 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dinogrinder said...

off topic:
take a look at this link;
http://conspiracyarchive.com/News/ and see if that doesn't make you think of Jeff's "Nine Degrees of Seperation post from August. Page down till you see the post on Enneagrams. This has apparently been making inroads in portions of the catholic church.

3:05 AM

It's well entrenched and is not being opposed, if not encouraged< by the hierachy. It is openly taught at parish level. For anyone with eyes it straight up occultism.

12:12 a.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

tim in san francisco
said

"Pay close attention to the portion on "black metal" and the musicians interests in things "Celtic" AND satanic. These neo-Pagans have a particuarly satanic bent to their "ancient" beliefs."

This rang a bell for me as I am particularly interested in the existance of satanic cults within the catholic church.
It also echoes the Enneagram stuff.

12:19 a.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I'm a gamer from way back, and the violence in these games simply does not cross over into my daily existance whatsoever.."

Yep, that's right .... and I can give smoking anytime I like, too!

12:23 a.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That, of course, should have read "I can give UP smoking ... oh well.
Perhaps I shouldn't post when I've been smoking!

12:26 a.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That smoking thing reminded me of Jon Stewart when he messed up the punch line to his joke on the new Dems catch phrase for thier mid-TERM elections: "WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON HERE?" He said it wrong, but it was still funny.

9:14 a.m.  
Blogger Greg Tramel said...

i heard nancy grace desribe the symbol, something like this:

http://www.exxon.com/USA-English/gFM/home_Contact_Us/homepage.asp

2:42 p.m.  
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2:43 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's some additional evidence from the San Jose Mercury News, Thursday October 20th, that may help investigations:

• Now Dyleski is in Contra Costa Juvenile Hall on suspicion of beating Pamela Vitale, a 52-year-old neighbor, to death and carving a double crossed "T" into her back.
• Some students said Thursday they had long considered him "weird" or "creepy," and not only for the black trench coat he wore nearly every day.
• One remembers him coming to school one day in full face paint, dressed up as a sort of gothic clown with a top hat. The student also mentioned his dark personality, evidenced by charcoal drawings of "people with their mouths sewn shut and eyes with nails through them dripping blood."
• One classmate remembers him signing yearbooks with a mysterious, pentagram-like symbol.
Lisa Mayeda, a leader in Dyleski's Boy Scout troop, said the family appeared "kind of liberated, different from Lafayette." "To me, they seemed kind of different, more a Berkeley style," she said.
• Dyleski lives with his mother, a long-distance healer who believes that DNA strands can be activated to alleviate disease. Dyleski and his mother moved from Sebastopol to the Lafayette hills about six years ago and set up a lean-to on her friends' property. "The lean-to got more and more elaborate as time went on," said another family friend, who agreed to be identified as Marcus. Dyleski slept on a thin mattress on pallets through his middle school years, until the landowners, Kim and Fred Curiel, built a house using ecological materials in 2002 and they all moved inside, Marcus said.
"He never really liked his dad, he never really talked about him," Marcus said.
Dyleski's father, who lives in Antioch was not available for comment.
• the former boy scout, ball player and ambitious 16-year-old college student also liked to cook vegan meals for his housemates and guests, took a heavy course load in his first semester at Diablo Valley College and immersed himself in art and music.

Thought I'd grab the fresh, raw stuff before the "official-story" is propagated and this stuff is faded to obscurity.

10:20 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I found the Curiels mentioned in an article on ecological housing. And the other day, I came up with Dyleski's name as a member of some save-the-rainforest site for kids back when he was about 10.

He sounds like a million other Goth kids -- troubled, struggling with the darkness in his soul, but from a strongly non-violent background. It's a real question what could have gone wrong.

Could the "double crossed T" be the symbol that's a cross with a little perpendicular line at the end of each arm? I know I've seen it but can't come up with the meaning.

11:47 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hmmm. The kind of cross that's like four T's joined at the bases is called a cross potent. Among other things, it's used by the Freemasons. See, for example, the images here.

Somehow I can't see that as the likeliest connection, though -- even if I'm right about what "double crossed T's" is a description of.

11:58 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ah, it's also known as the Teutonic Cross and was the symbol of the Teutonic Knights. That seems a lot more plausible than Freemasons . . .

Are we getting into black trench coat mafia territory here?

12:01 a.m.  
Blogger Greg Tramel said...

i thought it sounded more like this, a cross with an extra line which i guess could also be a double t oto

1:14 a.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Psyhcic TV logo?

5:44 a.m.  
Blogger Greg Tramel said...

like the double x in the exxon logo turned 33 degrees clockwise

anybody seen a picture yet?

4:41 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Two articles on the Cross of Lorraine, both written by Boyd Rice (google his name and see what comes up). I believe he's also a prominent Satanist.

http://www.dragonkeypress.com/articles/article_2004_10_26_4353.html

http://www.dragonkeypress.com/articles/article_2004_10_26_3518.html

9:23 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

so here's one of my tentative conclusions.
Scott Dyleski WAS the target.
he has effectively been taken hostage.
there are perhaps two potentially significant reasons/motives for this.
one of them is the on-going siege of Antioch.
and an observtion on those Miller-esque journo's and their anonymous sources.
there's no way that they're not complicit and that they're not au fait with at least some of the background.

11:40 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

from
http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/4298.html

"...Susan Polk, a 47-year-old woman who has been charged with the murder of her husband, 70-year-old Felix Polk in October 2002, has said that the two computers seized from her defense attorney Daniel Horowitz's house might weaken her own defense case...

Polk, who hails from Orinda and is now lodged in the West County Detention Facility in Richmond, claims that important files pertaining to her defense were in the computers that were taken away by the authorities in line with routine investigations into the Vitale case. According to Polk, vital information like her statements related to her personal interactions with the defense attorney, a history of the case and the motions filed are in the computer..."

just routine folks,

1:22 a.m.  
Blogger tim said...

seige of antioch? explain further...

11:50 a.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

siege of antioch?
interesting historicity.
particularly with mention of the cross of lorraine, aka the pahonia in other places.
antioch, california. f.u.a.

1:55 p.m.  
Blogger tim said...

From the article about the Cross of Lorraine:

Interestingly, the Cross of Lorraine bears an uncanny resemblance to the sigil of Baphomet employed by British Magus Aleister Crowley, and the meaning of the two symbols would appear to be virtually synonymous. Baphomet is, after all, the penultimate hermetic symbol, whether depicted by Crowley in the form of a cross, or by Eliphas Levi as a goat-headed hermaphrodite. And the sigil used by Crowley was also employed by ancient alchemists as a device whose meaning was literally "very poisonous." In fact, the symbol was commonly affixed to containers of toxic substances in Europe as recently as the mid-twentieth century.

5:38 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

from

http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/fr-lo.html

"The patriarchal, double cross-pieced cross was one of the pre-heraldical emblems of the Kingdom of Hungary. At the end of the XIIth century, this cross was used on Hungarian coins. It was later included in the Royal arms. At the same time in Anjou (west of France), a reliquary of the True Cross was an object of specific devotion. This reliquary had the shape of the double cross-pieced cross. It was most probably of Byzantine origin and was kept in the castle of the counts of Anjou. In the XIIth and XIIIth centuries, the double cross-pieced cross was considered as the image of the True Cross all over the eastern Christian countries. The upper cross-piece, usually shorter than the lower one, recalled the titulus, on which the writing I.N.R.I. (Jhesus Nazareus Rex Iudeorum) had been written. This representation was less common in the western Christian countries...
The hill of Sion-Vaudémont, located 20 km south of Nancy, is the most important symbol of Lorrain patriotism. The hill has the shape of a horseshoe and is therefore considered as a good omen. In the Middle-Ages, the hill was a place of prayer for the Crusaders, and received the name of Zion (in French, Sion). It is said that René de Vaudémont defeated Charles le Téméraire under the banner of Notre-Dame de Sion."

11:26 a.m.  
Blogger tim said...

ok rain,

how does your blurb relate to a 16-year-old kid killing an attorney's wife?

11:52 a.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Program on the emergence of civilization.

"14 species of large animals capable of domesitcation in the history of mankind.
13 from Europe, Asia and northern Africa.
None from the sub-Saharan African continent. "
Favor.
And disfavor.

They point out Africans’ failed attempts to domesticate the elephant and zebra, the latter being an animal they illustrate that had utmost importance for it's applicability in transformation from a hunting/gathering to agrarian-based civilization.

The roots of racism are not of this earth.

Austrailia, aboriginals:::No domesticable animals.

The North American continent had none. Now 99% of that population is gone.

AIDS in Africa.


Organizational Heirarchy/Levels of positioning.
Heirarchical order, from top to bottom:

1. MUCK - perhaps have experienced multiple universal contractions (have seen multiple big bangs), creator of the artificial intelligence humans ignorantly refer to as "god"
2. Perhaps some mid-level alien management
3. Evil/disfavored aliens - runs day-to-day operations here and perhaps elsewhere

Terrestrial management/positioning:

4. Chinese/egyptians - this may be separated into the eastern and western worlds
5. Romans -
6. Mafia - the real-world 20th century interface that constantly turns over generationally so as to reinforce the widely-held notion of mortality
7. Jews, corporation, women, politician - Evidence exisits to suggest mafia management over all these groups.


Movies foreshadowing catastrophy
1985 James Bond View to a Kill 1989 San Francisco Loma Prieta earthquake.


Our society gives clues to the system in place. We all have heard the saying "He has more money than god." There is also an episode of the Simpsons where god meets Homer and says "I'm too old and rich for this."

This is the system on earth because this is the system everywhere.

I don't want to suggest the upper eschelons are evil and good is the fringe.

But they have made it abundantly clear that doing business with evil (disfavored) won't help people. They say only good would have the ear, since evil is struggling for survival, and therefore only the favored could help.

The clues are there which companies are favored and which are disfavored, but they conceal it very hard because it is so crucial.

I offer an example of historical proportions:::

People point to Walmart and cry "anti-union".
Unions enable disfavored people to live satisfactorly without addressing their disfavor. This way their family's problems are never resolved. Without the union they would have to accept the heirarchy, their own inferiority.
Unions serve to empower.
Walmart is anti-union because they are good. They try to help people address and resolve their problems by creating an enviornment where there are fewer hurdles.

Media ridicule and lawsuits are creations to reinforce people's belief that Walmart is evil in a subsegment of the indistry dominated by the middle and lower classes.
Low-cost disfavored Chinese labor is utilized by corporate america to maximize margins. They all do it. Only WalMart gets fingered because they are the ones who help, and those who seek to create confusion in the marketplace want to eliminate the vast middle class who have a real chance and instead stick with lower classes who may not work otherwise. So they dirty him up while allowing the others to appear clean.

The middle class is being deceived. They are being misled into the unfavored, and subsequently will have no assistance from their purchases with corporate america.

I believe the coining of the term "Uncle Sam" was a clue alluding to just this::Sam Walton and WalMart is one of few saviors of the peasant class.


Amercia is a country of castoffs, rejects. Italy sent its criminals, malcontents.
Between the thrones, the klans and kindred, they "decided" who they didn't want and acted, creating discontent and/or starvation.
The u.s. is full of disfavored rejects. It is the reason for the myriad of problems not found in European countries. As far as the Rockafellers and other industrialists of the 19th century go, I suspect these aren't their real names. I suspect they were chosen to go and head this new empire.

Royalty is the right way to organize a society. Dictatorships and monarchies are a reflection of the antient's hierarchical organization.
Positions go to those who have favor with the rulers, as opposed to being elected.
Elections bring a false sense of how the world is. Democracy misleads people.
Which is why the disfavored rejects were sent to the shores of America::To keep them on the wrong path.


Jews maim the body formed in the image of "god", and inflicted circumsision upon all other white people, as well as the evil that is Jesus Christ.
I think about how Jews (were used to) created homosexuality among Slavics, retribution for the Holocaust.
Then I think of the Catholic Church and its troubles.
What connection is here between Jews and the Catholic church???
If it is their sinister motives that’s behind the evil that is Jesus Christ are they being used at all?
Perhaps it is them who are pulling strings.
Their centuries of slavery in Egypt proves their disfavor.
The Jew leaders decided to prey on the up-and-coming Europeans to try to fix their problems with the ruling elite, a recurring aspect of the elite's methodology.

Jesus Christ is a religious figure of evil. The seperatist churches formed so they could still capture the rest of the white people, keeping them worshipping the wrong god.
And now they do it to people of color, Latinos and Asians, after centuries of preying upon them.

Since Buddism doesn't recongnize a god, the calls are never heard, and Chinese representation is instead selected by the thrones.
Budda was the Asian's Jesus Christ::: bad for the people. "They came up at the same time for a reason."

Simpson's foreshadowing::Helloween IV special, Flanders is Satan. "Last one you ever suspect."
"You'll see lots of nuns where you're going:::hell!!!" St. Wigham, Helloween VI, missionary work, destroying cultures.
Over and over, the Simpsons was a source of education and enlightenment, a target of ridicule by the system which wishes to conceal its secrets.


I believe Islam is the one true religion, and those misled christians who attack "god"'s most favored people will pay dearly one day.

4:35 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Program on the emergence of civilization.

"14 species of large animals capable of domesitcation in the history of mankind.
13 from Europe, Asia and northern Africa.
None from the sub-Saharan African continent. "
Favor.
And disfavor.

They point out Africans’ failed attempts to domesticate the elephant and zebra, the latter being an animal they illustrate that had utmost importance for it's applicability in transformation from a hunting/gathering to agrarian-based civilization.

The roots of racism are not of this earth.

Austrailia, aboriginals:::No domesticable animals.

The North American continent had none. Now 99% of that population is gone.

AIDS in Africa.


Organizational Heirarchy/Levels of positioning.
Heirarchical order, from top to bottom:

1. MUCK - perhaps have experienced multiple universal contractions (have seen multiple big bangs), creator of the artificial intelligence humans ignorantly refer to as "god"
2. Perhaps some mid-level alien management
3. Evil/disfavored aliens - runs day-to-day operations here and perhaps elsewhere

Terrestrial management/positioning:

4. Chinese/egyptians - this may be separated into the eastern and western worlds
5. Romans - The seamless transition between Cleopatra and Julius Ceasar may be a clue alluding to a partnership.
6. Mafia - the real-world 20th century interface that constantly turns over generationally so as to reinforce the widely-held notion of mortality
7. Jews, corporation, women, politician - Evidence exisits to suggest mafia management over all these groups.


Movies foreshadowing catastrophy
1985 James Bond View to a Kill 1989 San Francisco Loma Prieta earthquake.


Our society gives clues to the system in place. We all have heard the saying "He has more money than god." There is also an episode of the Simpsons where god meets Homer and says "I'm too old and rich for this."

This is the system on earth because this is the system everywhere.

20 cent/hour Chinese labor, 50 cents for material.
An $80 sweater costs less than a dollar; tribute kicked upstairs vindicates the creative accounting.

I don't want to suggest the upper eschelons are evil and good is the fringe. But these individuals become wealthy exploiting those they hurt.

They have made it abundantly clear that doing business with evil (disfavored) won't help people. They say only good would have the ear, since evil is struggling for survival, and therefore only the favored could help.

The clues are there which companies are favored and which are disfavored, but they conceal it very hard because it is so crucial.

I offer an example of historical proportions:::

People point to Walmart and cry "anti-union".
Unions enable disfavored people to live satisfactorly without addressing their disfavor. This way their family's problems are never resolved. Without the union they would have to accept the heirarchy, their own inferiority.
Unions serve to empower.
Walmart is anti-union because they are good. They try to help people address and resolve their problems by creating an environment where there are fewer hurdles.

Media ridicule and lawsuits are creations to reinforce people's belief that Walmart is evil in a subsegment of the indistry dominated by the middle and lower classes.
Low-cost disfavored Chinese labor is utilized by corporate america to maximize margins. They all do it. Only WalMart gets fingered because they are the ones who help, and those who seek to create confusion in the marketplace want to eliminate the vast middle class who have a real chance and instead stick with lower classes who may not work otherwise. So they dirty him up while allowing the others to appear clean.

The middle class is being deceived. They are being misled into the unfavored, and subsequently will have no assistance from their purchases with corporate america.

The coining of the term "Uncle Sam" was a clue alluding to just this::Sam Walton's WalMart is one of few saviors of the peasant class.

They desire a system based on duality:::good and evil. They seek to set up a system of two participants and assign them polar opposites:::
Coke and Pepsi
BestBuy and CircutCity
Energizer and Duracell
Republican and Democrat
The list goes on and on:::
AMD and Intel
Apple and Microsoft (?)
Lowes and HomeDepot
Sam'sClub and Costco
WellsFargo and BofA. For the longest time in CA these two banks reigned supreme.
Pier1 and CostPlus
Borders and Barnes&Noble
PetCo and PetSmart


Amercia is a country of castoffs, rejects. Italy sent its criminals, malcontents.
Between the thrones, the klans and kindred, they decided who they didn't want and acted, creating discontent and/or starvation.
The u.s. is full of disfavored rejects. It is the reason for the myriad of problems not found in European countries. As far as the Rockafellers and other industrialists of the 19th century go, I suspect these aren't their real names. I suspect they were chosen to go and head this new empire.

Royalty is the correct way to organize a society. Dictatorships and monarchies are a reflection of the antient's hierarchical organization.
Positions go to those who have favor with the rulers, as opposed to being elected.
Elections bring a false sense of how the world is. Democracy misleads people.
Which is why the disfavored rejects were sent to the shores of America::To keep them on the wrong path.


Jewsus Christ is a religious figure of evil. The Catholic Church in the tretcherous 20th century teaches of a begnign, forgiving god when quite the opposite is true.
The seperatist churches formed so they could capture the rest of the white people, keeping them worshipping the wrong god.
And now they do it to disfavored people of color, Latinos and Asians, after centuries of preying upon them.

Since Buddism doesn't recongnize a god, the calls are never heard, and Asian representation is instead fully selected by the thrones.
Budda was the Asian's Jewsus Christ::: bad for the people. It was a clue they both emerged at the same time. Timing may be a clue alluding to ranking.

Simpson's foreshadowing::Helloween IV special, Flanders is Satan. "Last one you ever suspect."
"You'll see lots of nuns where you're going:::hell." St. Wigham, Helloween VI:::missionary work, destroying cultures.
Over and over, the Simpsons was a source of education and enlightenment, a target of ridicule by the system which wishes to conceal its secrets.

The advent of the modern Christmas was a brilliant move. It creates a vested interest among those who would prefer the Church of Evil be destroyed::::
As goes the Catholic Church so goes the majority of annual retail sales.
The similarity between the names "Santa" and "Satan" is no coincidence.

Jews maim the body formed in the image of "god", and inflicted circumcision upon all other white people.
I think about how Jews were used to create homosexuality among Slavics, supposedly retribution for the Holocaust.
Then I think of the Catholic Church and its troubles.
What connection is here between Jews and the Catholic church???
If it is their sinister motives that’s behind the evil that is Jesus Christ are they being used at all?
Perhaps it is them who are pulling strings.
Their centuries of slavery in Egypt proves their disfavor.
For their suffering the Jew leaders were granted the right to prey on the up-and-coming Europeans to try to fix their problems with the ruling elite by imposing a false god upon white people, a recurring aspect of the elite's methodology.
Jews were ostracised for a reason.


Retribution for the atomic bombs dropped on Japan, the Korean War got the disfavored United States into this socially depraved environment in the latter 20th century because we attacked an antient, revered peoples. Our continued presence keeps us in trouble.
When the disfavored americans attack the wrong people again, as they suggested they will, in Korea or elsewhere, they will pay dearly.


There are consequences for the peasant's resistance:::
1. Labor unrest caused the world at war.
2. Black militancy ignited the crack epidemic and gang-related deaths.
3. Women's rights/sexual freedom produced Roe v Wade and women's exclusion from contention for Planet Immortality. But on the bright side peasants don't go. Money is one way of indicating favor, and if you're not wealthy you don't have favor, so don't sweat it::you weren't going anyways. "We're leading a lot of people on."


All peoples are ranked in terms of favor and disfavor. And when the disfavored abuse those with favor there is hell to pay.
All the groups mentioned throughout are necessary to justify the will of the managing species. They conceive a strategy, devise a plan yet need a way to implement it, and without these groups the managing species would be exposed in the course of execution. So, based upon their rank they are assigned goals to accomplish and are rewarded with favors.


I question if we would even experience global warming if they didn't terraform in an attempt to destroy disfavored human life on planet earth::::they terraform the weather as they did in New Orleans with Hurricane Katrina (and lots of other examples) and justify it with behavior like instructing their petroleum friends to repress alternative technologies.
This is all happening shortly after the Exodus of 2000 (clues::Hong Kong, Panama Canal) for a reason::: they are INFLICTING it upon us, they are hastening closure. Everybody they care about has come up, replaced by clones.
Just as favored European peoples got out before the ugliness of WWII, the semi-favored within the US got out before 9/11.
Armeggedon isn’t about the end of the world. Armeggedon is about the death of the disfavored left behind. And they weren’t lying::this time it is going to happen with fire.

1:29 p.m.  
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