Wednesday, January 26, 2005

Do you know this woman?

Coincidentalists - the Warren Report Loyalists, the Kean Commission Deadenders - love their conspiracy theories. And I do mean theirs.

It would be positively uncanny, if it wasn't as predictable as bombing Tehran, how on the rare occassions the media addresses alternative readings of 9/11, it's the no-plane-hit-the-Pentagon chestnut which invariably gets roasted. To mass infotainment's passive consumer, that's about as good as it gets for hearing a contrary interpretation of the events of September 11.

In part, this is can be ascribed to institutional laziness. We shouldn't discount this; media laziness is profound. Going for the cheap, sensational hook is always the default option. After all, "it was a missile!" doesn't require much exposition. And the visuals!

But there is something else going on, and it has to do with strawmen. Provide an airing for the most outlandish theorizing, knock it down ("Gerald Posner joins us now..."), and consider all alternative views debunked. It's always been an important step in bleaching legitimacy out of "conspiracy theory." Sometimes, the strawmen are constructed by useful idiots who are indiscriminate with the facts, and make unwitting conduits of disinformation. And sometimes, they know precisely what they're doing. (By the way, Mark Robinowitz has an excellent resource here re: the muddying of the 9/11 waters with bogus claims.)

So yes, they love conspiracy theories. But try raising conspiracy facts - complex dirty business like BCCI, the CIA's drug trafficking, and Sibel Edmonds - and they're suddenly as scarce as a Senator's son in Iraq.

So, since the blog's drawing a number of new readers, I thought I'd ask: do you know this woman?

This is Sibel Edmonds, a 9/11 whistleblower, formerly of the FBI translation department. She speaks English, Farsi, Turkish and Azerbaijani. She does not speak Arabic.

She is someone the Department of Justice doesn't want you to know. She is subject to an extraordinary "State Secrets Privilege" gag order, which prohibits her going public with her classified testimony. The DOJ even retroactively classified her public testimony. Quietly, it recently also admitted the validity of her claim of espionage in the translation department, just so you know we're not talking about a crazy woman here.

Edmonds is prohibited from speaking in detail - naming countries, business, names - but she's still been able to tell us much. She has hinted that people ought to look behind administrations, to the confluence of state, business and criminal interests. Including big oil, and big drugs.

From an interview Edmonds gave Jim Hogue of The Boston Chronicle:

JH: I understand why you can't say anything about this, but there are several books out about the Bush ties to the Saudis and the bin Ladens in particular. And in David Griffin's book, The New Pearl Harbor, there is a very good synopsis of the ISI, which is the Pakistani intelligence service. He shows the direct connections between the CIA, the ISI, and Mohamed Atta. He makes a very convincing case that the Pakistani ISI had been helping to plan 9/11 for a long time.

I don't imagine that you are allowed to say much about that.

SE: You are correct. But I can tell you that the issue, on one side, boils down to money--a lot of money. And it boils down to people and their connections with this money, and that's the portion that, even with this book, has not been mentioned to this day. Because then it starts touching some people in high places.

JH: Can you explain more about what money you are talking about?

SE: The most significant information that we were receiving did not come from counter-terrorism investigations, and I want to emphasize this. It came from counter-intelligence, and certain criminal investigations, and issues that have to do with money laundering operations.

You get to a point where it gets very complex, where you have money laundering activities, drug related activities, and terrorist support activities converging at certain points and becoming one. In certain points - and they (the intelligence community) are separating those portions from just the terrorist activities. And, as I said, they are citing "foreign relations" which is not the case, because we are not talking about only governmental levels. And I keep underlining semi-legit organizations and following the money. When you do that the picture gets grim. It gets really ugly.... I can tell that once, and if, and when this issue gets to be, under real terms, investigated, you will be seeing certain people that we know from this country standing trial; and they will be prosecuted criminally.

Wait a sec - The ISI? Money laundering? Drugs? I thought we were talking about 9/11 here - when do we get to the missile part?

What Edmonds tells us lies in the deep background of 9/11 - money laundering, narcotics, arms dealing and covert terrorist support - corroborates the testimony of other whistleblowers like Indira Singh and Michael Springmann, and the work of investigative journalists such as Daniel Hopsicker and Michael C Ruppert. It begins to look a lot like what the late Danny Casolaro described, before it took his life. It looks like Casolaro's Octopus.

Yeah, I know; it sounds crazy. Crazy spooky. It sounds like tinfoil hat time. And yet John Ashcroft justified her gag order by pleading with the courts that what she knows could grievously harm national security. Are fabrications so dangerous?

Would it surprise you to learn the Kean Commission Report doesn't mention any of this?

Yet if you don't know this woman, you don't know what you're talking about when you talk about 9/11.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Useful, crucial info. & deep perspective into the onion-like layers of "911"...

Listed below is a fact-based website that refers to the WTC "controlled demolitions" and also the shady Kazakhstan oil deals below the radar of various "September 11th" fabrications & facades:


11:23 a.m.  
Blogger Joe said...

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1:43 p.m.  
Blogger Joe said...

Jeff, below is my full comment. The first was somehow sent a little premature. Please delete if you can. thanks.

In my opinion Mark Rabinowitz's site should be listed as part of the disinfo campaign to "muddy the waters". People make the mistake of thinking that the job of government CoIntelPro agents is to simply provide false leads and attack those genuine 9/11 truth seekers. The fact is that their task is much more complex. We are talking quintuple reverse psychology here.

Looking at the current infighting going on, it would appear that CoIntelPro agents have done a fine job. No one knows who is who anymore, everyone suspects everyone else and those members of the public whose minds are not, as yet, welded shut will be the ones to suffer most from the lack of coherent information about what really happened on 911 and who really is to blame.

For Rabinowitz to come out and say that a 757 plane definitely hit the Pentagon is to rob the public of the singularly most important aspect of 9/11 and the one that has the chance to blow the whole dastardly plot wide open. My point is that there is too much evidence which shows that Flight 11 and Flight 175 really did hit the twin towers, forcing 9/11 investigators to resort to other, and less convincing, aspects of the events of that day to make their case that it was an inside job.

The point about the Pentagon attack is that there exists striking evidence to suggest that it was not a 757 that hit the Pentagon and it is for this very reason that Flight 77 presents THE best opportunity to bring the 9/11 deception to public awareness.

Think about it. If it can be proven that something other than Flight 77 bored that hole through 3 rings of Rummy's fortress, then it is not necessary to dig for non existent evidence that someone "stood down" America's air defences or for any of the many other suspicious "anomalies" on 9/11, because the game would be up.

It is for this reason that I frown upon researchers like Rabinowitz who dismiss out of hand the "no plane at the Pentagon people" as nutters. If we look at Rabinowitz's reasoning for his stance, there is none, other than that he appears to simply not like the idea that something other than Flight 77 hit the Pentagon. Perhaps such a concept sits outside of his personal realm of belief, but, if so, it is a mistake to make emotional judgements when the intellect is called for, and it is an outright crime to attempt to pull the public into one's subjective world.

It is only through a rigorous pursuit of *objective* truth, without pity for our own illusions and beliefs, (coupled with a little intuition wink wink) that the big lie about 9/11 can and will be exposed.

My suspicions about Rabinowitz are further compounded when I realise that he combines his espousal of the official story about the Pentagon attack with condemnation of the "Israel did it" crowd. There is much to explore on the Israel question and much evidence, going way back, that Israel, to all intents and purposes, calls the shots in the US. Just how far does the power of the Pro-Israel lobby go? Powerful enough to play a leading role in 9/11? It is definitely NOT beyond the realm of possibility and it is NOT for Mr Rabinowitz to assert outright that it is, particularly when he provides little to back up his claim.


2:14 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nothing screams COINTELPRO louder than attacking another researcher you disagree with, "Joe."

Good blogs, good websites, and good theories gather attention. Lousy ones resort to distorting the positions of others ("If we look at Rabinowitz's reasoning for his stance, there is none" - false) and further the cause of muddying the waters.

P.S. Learn to spell his name right, for starters. For the curious, should this exchange survive the comment editor (something I personally am ambivalent about, since it is poor practice to allow these kinds of third-party dogfights on what is an excellent blog), here is Mark's web site:

Kurt L.

4:04 p.m.  
Blogger Paul said...

exceptional post, linked to it on my blog.

10:08 p.m.  
Blogger bin'dare said...

In simultaneous support of Kurt and Irish Joe:

Good blogs, good websites, and good theories do indeed gather attention and eventually respect. But good theories demand questioning, sources of information demand questioning. Be clear though, that questioning does not mean disrespecting or devaluing the proponents.

For example, I have the highest respect for this site and Jeff Wells: yet Jeff champions the likes of Indira Singh and Sybil Edmonds. I have voiced my queesyness about Singh before and Edmonds --- well, for a whistle blower, she certainly has blown very little whistle, all that we know is do to interpolation and elaboration by people such as Jeff (great stuff and i am highly appreciative of it), but Edmonds herself has given very little (but just enough) and therefore has all the hallmarks of a limited hangout. That is my take on this, not Jeff's.

The thing is, i am now duty bound to substantiate my take on things. period. The onus is on me,period. If i do a good job, more people will see it my way, if i don't or can't, the other view prevails. that's it. I do not see it as a negative that some of my views are at odds with some of the things on this site --- hell, that is why i am here, i want the challenge and i want to challenge, we do not know the answers, but i am confident the process of "rigourous intuition" will lead us to the answers.

Kurt and Irish Joe, name calling/spelling aside, we want to know the truth, right? then let's get working on it, picking holes in each others stories, pointing out the flaws, the prejudiced assumptions, the lapses of rigour, and the flights of fancy.


11:08 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I discovered Rigorous Intuition via James Wolcott (as I'm sure many have) and I hereby declare that it is my DREAM BLOG.

Thank you for an intelligent appraisal of the very notion of 'conspiracy theory'.

Time to stop apologizing for having our thinking caps on.

12:05 a.m.  
Blogger Juke said...

Haiti. Why's Haiti important? Staging area?
Look at a map and see how close it is to Guantanamo. Is that just co-incidence? Haiti and Ghana both have similar geo/sociopolitical profiles, and are both rumored to be staging areas for the dope cartels, Hiait for US, Ghana for Europe. So who's running the cartels? Don't say the Colombians, and don't say the Mafia.

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6:57 a.m.  
Blogger spooked said...

bin-dare-- your take is absolutely right as far as I am concerned. All anyone of us can do is to be open-minded, be intellectually honest and to weigh the evidence as best we can.

I also agree that Sibel Edmonds is a lot more smoke than fire. She really isn't giving any significant information besides the fact that drug money may be involved in 9/11, and that isn't a big surprise given Hopsicker's investigations. And it most likely points to the CIA, who are intimiately involved in the drug trade.

8:20 a.m.  
Blogger Joe said...

Re: Kurt L's comment

It seems that in Kurt L's lexicon "diagree" and "attack" mean the same thing. All I did was disagree, citing reasons, with Robinowitz's opinion, yet this is deemed an "attack" by Kurt. I disagree therefore I am to be attacked using the claim that I am an attacker. Now that really sounds like CoIntelPro 101.

11:39 a.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's amusing that the poster who claims that those who don't buy the "no plane" claim are solely motivated by emotional bias ... yet another clue that this claim isn't really real.

A growing list of 9/11 "truth" websites that don't buy the "no plane" claims
The Pentagon No-757-Crash Theory: Booby Trap for 9/11 Skeptics
perhaps the best list of eyewitness accounts VERY detailed analyses of how the "no plane" claims are fake, compiled by a writer who formerly believed they were real. 757 maneuvers eyewitnesses no debris crash debris small impact hole missing wings turbofans 101 standing columns punchout obstacles
another 9/11 skeptic stops buying the "no plane at Pentagon" claims
Jimmy Walter ( A sugar daddy with poison pills
You had rush hour traffic on I-395 that saw the plane hit, you have 100 eyewitnesses compiled in the pamphlet published by Penny Schoner. Where the hell did this theory come from? Thierry Meyssan’s book “The Horrible Fraud” was the original source. Meyssan wrote his book from Paris, he didn’t travel over here. The book is highly imaginative, and in the middle of a trauma, people are searching for answers. A lot of people in the 9/11 truth movement glommed onto this one and I think it’s hurt our credibility over all. You have to wonder if that was by design.
Sander Hicks and the 9/11 Truth Movement
The Pentagon Attack and American Airlines Flight 77 by John Judge
BURNING QUESTIONS What Really Happened at the Pentagon on 9/11?
discusses how some of the photos "proving" a small hole at the Pentagon were digitally altered
"In the information society, bad information drives out good information. The proliferation of misinformation causes the dilution of good, factual information. Valuable information on actual cover-ups, for instance, is discredited when other alleged, but non-factual and misleading, conspiracy theories are given undue currency. In short, bad conspiracy theories discredit all assertions of conspiracy, making for fertile ground in which actual conspiracies thrive."

Sites that don't think there was official complicity
(the false choice between "no plane at Pentagon" and "Bush is innocent")
Photos of Boeing debris in the rubble "Hunt the Boeing" Answers

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

She is mad because she testified to corruption and strange "coincedence's " and order's ,associated with 9-11.
She also spoke of unauthorized people with access to things, material they should not have seen.
She was dismissed by the commitee and her employer's. She feels safe she is not, with the indictments coming down!

2:36 p.m.  
Blogger Laura Knight Jadczyk said...

Seosamh wrote: "Looking at the current infighting going on, it would appear that CoIntelPro agents have done a fine job. No one knows who is who anymore, everyone suspects everyone else and those members of the public whose minds are not, as yet, welded shut will be the ones to suffer most from the lack of coherent information about what really happened on 911 and who really is to blame."

Usually, when we think of COINTELPRO, we think of the most well known and typical activities which include sending anonymous or fictitious letters signed by people who never wrote them, publishing false defamatory or threatening information, forging signatures on fake documents, introducing disruptive and subversive members into organizations to destroy them from within, and so on. Blackmailing insiders in any group to force them to spread false rumors, or to foment factionalism was also common.

What a lot of people don't keep in mind is the fact that COINTELPRO also concentrated on creating bogus organizations. These bogus groups could serve many functions which might include attacking and/or disrupting bona fide groups, or even just simply creating a diversion with clever propaganda in order to attract members away so as to involve them with time-wasting activity designed to prevent them from doing anything useful. COINTELPRO was also famous for instigation of hostile actions through third parties. These events could look like "food fights" between groups with no apparent government connection, but underneath, one or more of them might very well be gov operations pretending to fight.

Considering all of this, would anybody care to suggest that it did not also occur to the Powers that Be that the chief means of diverting attention and covering up the truth would be to literally fund and create the "9-11 Truth Movement" so that it would follow their agenda of keeping secrets?

In other words, it is extremely likely that the most successful and popular of 9-11 Truth Movement Impresarios are COINTELPRO agents - either conscious or dupes of those who are. The objective seems to be to attack and "neutralize" those who are seeking the answers. Those who are sincere, who do bona fide research and seek to explicate the truth, are infiltrated, attacked, and marginalized according to standard COINTELPRO procedures.

"Terrorism is changing. New adversaries, new motivations and new rationales have surfaced in recent years to challenge much of the conventional wisdom..." wrote Dr. Bruce Hoffman, Director of RAND. And he was right. The only problem is, the reader is largely unaware of the definition of "new adversaries" that might be implied in his remarks. He meant the average citizen... you and me.

In other words, it's a lot worse than anyone may suspect. Check out my recent posts on the subject of COINTELPRO:

Having been a victim of direct COINTELPRO as early as 2001, I started researching and writing about it. Naturally, the real COINTELPRO only intensified their attacks, including the outrageous claim that anyone who complains about it is COINTELPRO.

"Nothing screams COINTELPRO louder than attacking another researcher you disagree with, "Joe."

That's like telling a victim of rape that they should "Just relax and enjoy it."

Sorry, not me buddy!

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