Monday, February 28, 2005

Sibel's Way

Here's an interesting thought, from Michael A Hoffman II in Secret Societies and Psychological warfare, on what he calls the "revelation of method" by the "cryptocracy":

This is what simplistic researchers miss: the function of macabre arrogance thumbing its nose at us while we do nothing except spread the tale of their immunity and invincibility further. That is the game plan operant here.

To the belief system of the modern man it sounds too crazy. Why would the perpetrators want their secrets revealed after the fact? ... This question can only be definitely answered if one has an understanding of the zeitgeist which overseers in the cryptocracy have partly manufactured and partly tailored their own operations to coincide with. As I've pointed out, secrets like this were rarely revealed in the past because traditional people had not yet completed the alchemical processing (of mind control). To make such perverse, modern revelations to an unprocessed, healthy and vigorous population possessed of will, memory adherence to their deepest inner intuition and intense interest in their salvation, would not have been a good thing for the cryptocracy. It would have proven fatal to them.

But to reveal these after-the-fact secrets in our modern time, to a people who have no memory, no willpower and no interest in their own fate except in so far as it may serve as momentary titillation and entertainment actually strengthens the enslavement of such a people.

See what Hoffman is saying here? The Power Control Group (Richard E Sprague's evocative term from The Taking of America, 1-2-3) occasionally chooses to tip its hand to us as a mechanism of control. In nature it would be a threat display, except the threat implied here is the confirmation that things are really as bad as we think, and we can't do a damn thing about it.

I'm thinking, for instance, of the casual bombshell that dropped a year after 9/11, that on the morning of the attacks the National Reconnaissance Office was running a simulation of a plane crashing into a government building. A "bizarre coincidence," it was called. Though I believe the "simulation" likely a cover story, it's not exactly a limited hang out, since they hung it out there all by themselves in an announcement for a Homeland Security conference. ("On the morning of September 11th 2001, [the CIA's John] Fulton and his team ... were running a pre-planned simulation to explore the emergency response issues that would be created if a plane were to strike a building. Little did they know that the scenario would come true in a dramatic way that day.") Until then, no one was pressing the 9/11 wargames angle. Since, Mike Ruppert and others have discovered about a half-dozen more, suspiciously and opportunely timed to the attacks. Letting slip the "simulation" story is a bit like Jack the Ripper writing Scotland Yard and enclosing a portion of his victim's liver. Catch me if you can!

I'm thinking of the FBI promoting agents who deliberately inhibited pre-911 investigations, and its punishing those who saw it coming and tried to stop it. What message did this send, and could it be anything but the one intended?

I'm thinking of Michael Chertoff's appointment to Homeland Security, though he was accused of sabotaging the Department's "Greenquest" investigations into terror financing. I'm thinking of the appointment of Porter Goss to CIA directorship, though we know he'd met with 9/11 financier ISI Chief Mahmood Ahmed the morning of Sept 11, and his congressional seat encompassed the hijackers' Florida flight schools.

No administration has thumbed its nose more often, nor with as much feeling in our general direction, as this one. Its macabre arrogance contributes to a legend of invulnerability. That the White House can not only get away with it, but appear to revel in it, makes them seem untouchable. And yet, they aren't. And one of the reasons I believe this is Sibel Edmonds.

She can hurt them, and they know it. And they don't want you to know it.

From Saturday's New York Times:

The government has told a federal appeals court that a suit by an F.B.I. translator who was fired after accusing the bureau of ineptitude should not be allowed to proceed because it would cause "significant damage to the national security and foreign policy of the United States."

Given what we already know Edmonds' knows, this is tantamount to an admission of guilt. As much as they might like to gloat in their High Mischief, it would seem some truths are too terrible to be aired just yet.

All this has reminded me of the film Cutter's Way.

It's been a while, but here's the gist: an emotionally crippled double amputee - a Vietnam vet - becomes obsessed with the thought that a local elite has murdered a young girl and dumped her body in the trash. He sets on a quixotic crusade to bring him to justice, dragging along his reluctant friend who'd rather not get involved. The two crash a society party and confront their suspect. In the context of his privileged world they appear crazy, even to themselves, and are treated as objects of pity.

But once the powerful figure is left alone in his study with the two eccentrics, his tone changes: "And what if I did?"

He shouldn't have asked. And Sibel Edmonds may yet cause Dick Cheney to harbour some regrets.

45 Comments:

Blogger T.R.U. said...

"But to reveal these after-the-fact secrets in our modern time, to a people who have no memory, no willpower and no interest in their own fate except in so far as it may serve as momentary titillation and entertainment actually strengthens the enslavement of such a people."

Well, then Cellucci just made slaves of us all by letting it slip that Flight 93 was taken down - the official word is that the heroes made the thing crash. What a discouragement.

http://www.libertythink.com/2005/02/us-ambassador-cellucci-norad-shot-down.html

http://trunews.blogspot.com/2005/02/cellucci-slips-up-flight-93-shot-down.html

3:50 a.m.  
Blogger T.R.U. said...

Whoops - sorry about not editing the links.
trunewslibertythink

3:53 a.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sibel should reveal her information. Her life is probably in danger anyway. She might as well spill the beans.

6:30 a.m.  
Blogger spooked said...

I don't Sibel Edmonds really has anything that is going to bring these guys down. If she ever gets to tell her story, or decides just to go for it and risk prosecution, I think she will make some people uncomfortable for a bit, but the fact is, the media will quickly forget about her allegations, Republicans aren't going to open a new probe into 9/11, and her info will be forgotten by 99% of the people. Anyway, at this point, for people who are open enough to believe 9/11 was an "inside job" or that there is more to the story, there is already abundant evidemnce out there if they are willing to look at it. But Sible Edmonds only has one small part of the 9/11 story, really.

I am optimisitic that more and more people are seeing through the lies and realizing that 9/11 was not as it seemed. But you're right, that there is this factor that we are essentially powerless to do anything about it. They are very brazen in that regard. Particularly annoying is that 99% of Democrats don't even realize that Al Qaeda were just patsies for 9/11, and so even the opposition party is way off base. They want to criticize Bush for not going after Al Qaeda, but that is totally missing the point. Until large numbers of people realize that 9/11 was planned and run by a rogue group high within the US government, we are never going to get anywhere.

11:02 a.m.  
Blogger spooked said...

I don't Sibel Edmonds really has anything that is going to bring these guys down. If she ever gets to tell her story, or decides just to go for it and risk prosecution, I think she will make some people uncomfortable for a bit, but the fact is, the media will quickly forget about her allegations, Republicans aren't going to open a new probe into 9/11, and her info will be forgotten by 99% of the people. Anyway, at this point, for people who are open enough to believe 9/11 was an "inside job" or that there is more to the story, there is already abundant evidemnce out there if they are willing to look at it. But Sible Edmonds only has one small part of the 9/11 story, really.

I am optimisitic that more and more people are seeing through the lies and realizing that 9/11 was not as it seemed. But you're right, that there is this factor that we are essentially powerless to do anything about it. They are very brazen in that regard. Particularly annoying is that 99% of Democrats don't even realize that Al Qaeda were just patsies for 9/11, and so even the opposition party is way off base. They want to criticize Bush for not going after Al Qaeda, but that is totally missing the point. Until large numbers of people realize that 9/11 was planned and run by a rogue group high within the US government, we are never going to get anywhere.

11:03 a.m.  
Blogger spooked said...

I don't Sibel Edmonds really has anything that is going to bring these guys down. If she ever gets to tell her story, or decides just to go for it and risk prosecution, I think she will make some people uncomfortable for a bit, but the fact is, the media will quickly forget about her allegations, Republicans aren't going to open a new probe into 9/11, and her info will be forgotten by 99% of the people. Anyway, at this point, for people who are open enough to believe 9/11 was an "inside job" or that there is more to the story, there is already abundant evidemnce out there if they are willing to look at it. But Sible Edmonds only has one small part of the 9/11 story, really.

I am optimisitic that more and more people are seeing through the lies and realizing that 9/11 was not as it seemed. But you're right, that there is this factor that we are essentially powerless to do anything about it. They are very brazen in that regard. Particularly annoying is that 99% of Democrats don't even realize that Al Qaeda were just patsies for 9/11, and so even the opposition party is way off base. They want to criticize Bush for not going after Al Qaeda, but that is totally missing the point. Until large numbers of people realize that 9/11 was planned and run by a rogue group high within the US government, we are never going to get anywhere.

11:04 a.m.  
Blogger bin'dare said...

I don't dispute what you and Hoffmann say, but it is rendered fairly useless as an investigative insight in that it applies equally to info and dis-info alike. Take AWGB's example: just suppose the passengers were indeed heroic and they caused the crash and it was not shot down, then Celluci (and Rumsfailed) implying that it was shot down achieves nonetheless their purpose of "enslavement of the people". As outsiders, we cannot tell which is which --- did they let it slip, was it an intentional slip, or is it a lie?

Lies, truths, it doesn't matter to them, whatever helps to achieve the ends.

Which brings me to that useless yoke called Sibel. The community of truth seekers have wasted enough time on Sibel Edmonds; as time goes on it becomes more and more apparent she has nothing to give us, that she is just entertainment/distraction (not even a limited hangout) for us. I challenge the community to give a good account of her background, not just "lived here for a while, lived there for a while, ....", but give names of people who knew her then at these places. At least Ellsberg copied the fucking papers and gave them to us, all the fuck she gives us is vague hints repeated a thoudand times. She is a waste of fucking time.

12:14 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From what I've already heard about Sibel's allegations, they are dynamite, both as to Bureau foreknowledge of the attacks that were so widely known that drug smuggling rings they were tapping were discussing them in detail, and then, that the Bureau had been penetrated by agents of those they were tapping, Sibel recruited by them there, threatened when she refused, and then pressured to mistranslate to the benefit of that third party.

All that is necessary for this to be TNT is that the third party be an Israeli concern. Not sure it is, I've read that speculation, but her Turkish background, and ability in Farsi, iirc, both could have Israeli implications.

sofla

2:28 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If I had to choose just four links to show your average joe and jane, and pique their interest in the possibility of a 9/11 coverup, these would be my top picks right now:
1. The wargames acknowledgement AP report. The SF Chronicle is the only paper I know of that still has the original AP report available in their archives.
2. Senator Dayton's declaration that NORAD and the FAA lied. He announced it during the week of the Dem's National Convention last year. He's got a pair.
3. This in depth timeline of the event of that day certainly points toward high-level government deception. It's long, but fascinating and crucial to understanding just what Senator Dayton was talking about.
4. And then finally This gem of a report on the destruction of the FAA controller tapes. No coverup is complete without the destruction of evidence :-)

I think the best way to wake up more of the public is to let them see with their own eyes the evidence that the 9/11 truth movement has been pointing to all along, and the more official the source, the better. I guess that's why I like the FAA/NORAD lying angle for leading people into the seemy underworld of 9/11. It's one of the aspects of the whole event that's fairly well documented in the mainstream press, giving us the opportunity to point this stuff out without referring to news sources considered illegitimate by a public that still can't imagine the media would or even could tell such Big Lies.

3:10 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Plausible deniability
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Plausible deniability is a political doctrine originally developed in the United States in the 1950s and applied to operations by the then newly-formed Central Intelligence Agency. Many people consider the doctrine to be a form of hypocrisy.

Plausible deniability involves the creation of power structures and chains of command loose and informal enough to be denied if necessary. The idea was that the CIA (and, later, other bodies) could be given controversial instructions by powerful figures -- up to and including the President himself—but that the existence and true source of those instructions could be denied if necessary; if, for example, an operation went disastrously wrong and it was necessary for the administration to disclaim responsibility.

The doctrine had two major flaws. First, it was an open door to the abuse of authority; it required that the bodies in question could be said to have acted independently, which in the end was tantamount to giving them license to act independently. Second, it rarely worked when invoked; the denials made were rarely plausible and were generally seen through by both the media and the populace. One aspect of the Watergate crisis is the repeated failure of the doctrine of plausible deniability, which the administration repeatedly attempted to use to stop the scandal affecting President Richard Nixon and his aides.

Plausible deniability has also come to be used more generally to describe a situation in which a party actively avoids gaining certain, or confirmable, knowledge of facts it suspects to exist because it benefits the party to "not know." Example: An unscrupulous attorney may suspect that facts exist which would hurt his case, but decide not to investigate the issue because if the attorney had actual knowledge, the rules of ethics might require him to reveal those facts to the opposing side. Thus his failure to investigate maintains plausible deniability.

7:52 p.m.  
Blogger spooked said...

Sorry for the triple post! I had trouble logging on and then when I did get on, it only showed one post. Weird.

Anyway I agree with bin'dare-- Sibel is a wate of time.

11:42 p.m.  
Blogger spooked said...

sorry "waste of time"

11:43 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous One,go to Black Vault,scroll do to psychological Ops,hit Psyops Operations In The 21'st Century.This was writen for the navy, although not government position,it clearly seems to be our new reality.They are now in control of white,gray and black propaganda,the spin is unbearable to most.Facts are flying everywhere,hard for me to sort out,and I've been watching these guys for 30 years.This makes me think of the book,Separate Reality by Carlos Castaneda,we have to look beyond surface realities of life.Americans take the easy road when ever possible,never looking any deeper than the surface,hope we can wake up before it's to late,later.

6:56 a.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

jeff says:

'when Hellboy begins to appear more "reality-based" than Wolf Blitzer Reports?'

yeah - well all depends on how deep you want to dig on this subject; after dipping one's toe
in one wants to flush any conscious
knowledge of the subject;too creepy,
the cognitive dissonance oveerwhelming...

here's some links. they load kinda slow; as deep as you care to plunge

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/04/11/njoan11.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/04/11/ixhome.html

http://old.guerrillanews.com/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=gnn&Number=136643&page=&view=&sb=&o=&part=16&vc=1

http://old.guerrillanews.com/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=gnn&Number=136643&page=&view=&sb=&o=&part=1&vc=1



& Trotsky was only a writer, eh?

..

1:21 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

jeff says:

'when Hellboy begins to appear more "reality-based" than Wolf Blitzer Reports?'

yeah - well all depends on how deep you want to dig on this subject; after dipping one's toe
in one wants to flush any conscious
knowledge of the subject;too creepy,
the cognitive dissonance oveerwhelming...

here's some links. they load kinda slow; as deep as you care to plunge

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/04/11/njoan11.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/04/11/ixhome.html

http://old.guerrillanews.com/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=gnn&Number=136643&page=&view=&sb=&o=&part=16&vc=1

http://old.guerrillanews.com/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=gnn&Number=136643&page=&view=&sb=&o=&part=1&vc=1



& Trotsky was only a writer, eh?

..

1:21 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

jeff says:

'when Hellboy begins to appear more "reality-based" than Wolf Blitzer Reports?'

yeah - well all depends on how deep you want to dig on this subject; after dipping one's toe
in one wants to flush any conscious
knowledge of the subject;too creepy,
the cognitive dissonance oveerwhelming...

here's some links. they load kinda slow; as deep as you care to plunge

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/04/11/njoan11.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/04/11/ixhome.html

http://old.guerrillanews.com/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=gnn&Number=136643&page=&view=&sb=&o=&part=16&vc=1

http://old.guerrillanews.com/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=gnn&Number=136643&page=&view=&sb=&o=&part=1&vc=1



& Trotsky was only a writer, eh?

..

1:21 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

jeff says:

'when Hellboy begins to appear more "reality-based" than Wolf Blitzer Reports?'

yeah - well all depends on how deep you want to dig on this subject; after dipping one's toe
in one wants to flush any conscious
knowledge of the subject;too creepy,
the cognitive dissonance oveerwhelming...

here's some links. they load kinda slow; as deep as you care to plunge

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/04/11/njoan11.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/04/11/ixhome.html

http://old.guerrillanews.com/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=gnn&Number=136643&page=&view=&sb=&o=&part=16&vc=1

http://old.guerrillanews.com/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=gnn&Number=136643&page=&view=&sb=&o=&part=1&vc=1



& Trotsky was only a writer, eh?

..

1:22 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

jeff says:

'when Hellboy begins to appear more "reality-based" than Wolf Blitzer Reports?'

yeah - well all depends on how deep you want to dig on this subject; after dipping one's toe
in one wants to flush any conscious
knowledge of the subject;too creepy,
the cognitive dissonance oveerwhelming...

here's some links. they load kinda slow; as deep as you care to plunge

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/04/11/njoan11.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/04/11/ixhome.html

http://old.guerrillanews.com/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=gnn&Number=136643&page=&view=&sb=&o=&part=16&vc=1

http://old.guerrillanews.com/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=gnn&Number=136643&page=&view=&sb=&o=&part=1&vc=1



& Trotsky was only a writer, eh?

..

1:22 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

jeff says:

'when Hellboy begins to appear more "reality-based" than Wolf Blitzer Reports?'

yeah - well all depends on how deep you want to dig on this subject; after dipping one's toe
in one wants to flush any conscious
knowledge of the subject;too creepy,
the cognitive dissonance oveerwhelming...

here's some links. they load kinda slow; as deep as you care to plunge

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/04/11/njoan11.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/04/11/ixhome.html

http://old.guerrillanews.com/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=gnn&Number=136643&page=&view=&sb=&o=&part=16&vc=1

http://old.guerrillanews.com/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=gnn&Number=136643&page=&view=&sb=&o=&part=1&vc=1



& Trotsky was only a writer, eh?

..

1:22 p.m.  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

jeff:

sorry for the multiples

(erase)

the display doesn't indicate the post was publish; thus the return;
no intent to clog your comments page

.

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