Vreeland, again
We now have some specifics regarding Delmart Vreeland's latest jailhouse warning of an impending attack.
Reportedly while in custody, he called at least two trusted contacts with the message that four one-megaton devices would be detonated "soon" in the Minneapolis area. Vreeland additionally claims to have been tracking the conspirators when he was picked up.
For what it's worth - which likely, hopefully, is nothing - there are now also unconfirmed stories of a sudden emptying of a huge armory near the Twin Cities - said now to be one close to the airport - and movements of military hardware westward.
This was posted on Democratic Underground by a new member, "eyeswideshut":
This morning a friend of mine sent me the email with the information about the armory. Her friend is a truck driver that drives by the armory all the time. It is about an 80 acre site that normally contains trucks, tanks humvees, earth movers etc. When he drove by the armory today, almost all of the equipment is gone. He said that only about 2 acres of the site had equipment left on it. As he was driving toward Des Moines, he saw contractors in a convoy moving heavy military equipment - obviously from the Twin Cities facility.
My friend said that her friend is normally not the kind of guy to notice much - but this - he noticed and he told her something is up which is why I sent out the inquiry.
As anyone acquainted with the Vreeland saga knows, grains of salt are de rigeur. Discriminating truth from untruth is frustrating and potentially discrediting labour. (I recall Gary Sick's words about characters such as Vreeland: "they are meant to be.") What adds to the frustration is Vreeland can't be taken at his word, but his word must still be taken into account. Even disinformation, if it's recognized, can be revealing.
More on Vreeland's warning and the armory can be found here.
There's also this, from Sunday's article in The Toronto Star:
Then in September, 2002, after spending an evening preparing for his case with Slansky, Vreeland disappeared. Police went to his apartment, which his lawyers called "ransacked."
Galati believed Vreeland had been kidnapped by American agents — a fear that led to Galati's decision last December to drop his high-profile cases involving national security.
Reached yesterday, Galati said he believes Vreeland is still working as an American agent.
Lubkeman said yesterday they're being cautious with the Vreeland case — taking measures that included having to verify a reporter's identity before giving an interview.
"He has lots of stories to tell. He thinks himself very important and he wanted to make sure people in the government were contacted," Lubkeman said.
And I wonder whether this AP story is relevant:
Several people have been taken into custody recently on charges not related to terrorism, but officials are investigating whether they may have been involved in terror activities, said another law enforcement official, speaking on condition of anonymity.
As for the person who warned the CIA, at least some of that individual's reporting no longer is seen as credible, said a U.S. intelligence official, speaking on condition of anonymity. The official stressed, however, that a number of other sources point to terrorist activity around the election season.
I still say that it's probably nothing. But I also agree with Cryptogon: "The cauldron is definitely swirling now."
Reportedly while in custody, he called at least two trusted contacts with the message that four one-megaton devices would be detonated "soon" in the Minneapolis area. Vreeland additionally claims to have been tracking the conspirators when he was picked up.
For what it's worth - which likely, hopefully, is nothing - there are now also unconfirmed stories of a sudden emptying of a huge armory near the Twin Cities - said now to be one close to the airport - and movements of military hardware westward.
This was posted on Democratic Underground by a new member, "eyeswideshut":
This morning a friend of mine sent me the email with the information about the armory. Her friend is a truck driver that drives by the armory all the time. It is about an 80 acre site that normally contains trucks, tanks humvees, earth movers etc. When he drove by the armory today, almost all of the equipment is gone. He said that only about 2 acres of the site had equipment left on it. As he was driving toward Des Moines, he saw contractors in a convoy moving heavy military equipment - obviously from the Twin Cities facility.
My friend said that her friend is normally not the kind of guy to notice much - but this - he noticed and he told her something is up which is why I sent out the inquiry.
As anyone acquainted with the Vreeland saga knows, grains of salt are de rigeur. Discriminating truth from untruth is frustrating and potentially discrediting labour. (I recall Gary Sick's words about characters such as Vreeland: "they are meant to be.") What adds to the frustration is Vreeland can't be taken at his word, but his word must still be taken into account. Even disinformation, if it's recognized, can be revealing.
More on Vreeland's warning and the armory can be found here.
There's also this, from Sunday's article in The Toronto Star:
Then in September, 2002, after spending an evening preparing for his case with Slansky, Vreeland disappeared. Police went to his apartment, which his lawyers called "ransacked."
Galati believed Vreeland had been kidnapped by American agents — a fear that led to Galati's decision last December to drop his high-profile cases involving national security.
Reached yesterday, Galati said he believes Vreeland is still working as an American agent.
Lubkeman said yesterday they're being cautious with the Vreeland case — taking measures that included having to verify a reporter's identity before giving an interview.
"He has lots of stories to tell. He thinks himself very important and he wanted to make sure people in the government were contacted," Lubkeman said.
And I wonder whether this AP story is relevant:
Several people have been taken into custody recently on charges not related to terrorism, but officials are investigating whether they may have been involved in terror activities, said another law enforcement official, speaking on condition of anonymity.
As for the person who warned the CIA, at least some of that individual's reporting no longer is seen as credible, said a U.S. intelligence official, speaking on condition of anonymity. The official stressed, however, that a number of other sources point to terrorist activity around the election season.
I still say that it's probably nothing. But I also agree with Cryptogon: "The cauldron is definitely swirling now."
posted by Jeff Wells at 2:54 p.m.
13 Comments:
Per the DU threads, is there any proven (or plausibly hypothesized) connection between Vreeland and the Franklin Credit Union scandal? Has such a theory arisen as a result of the child prostitution charges against Vreeland, does it pre-date the current fracas, or is it bullshit?
The suggested link to Franklin was first mentioned to me last October by a confidant of Vreeland's. I don't know the particulars, whether it's informed speculation or based upon claims made by Vreeland, but it seemed to help explain what I knew of his character, and now, also of the child prostitution charge.
I'd like to add to the reports of the massive convoys. The DU post indicated that the National Guard base at the airport may have cleared out; there was a followup post indicating the MN NG may be deploying to Mess-O-Potamia.
A subsequent post described the convoys as moving TOWARD Twin Cities, MN, North along I35 and East along I80, not AWAY from Twin Cities. I've corresponded with some truckdrivers who haven't seen much out-of-the-ordinary. One driver claims to have seen two groups of civilian vehicles that were driven by men in fatigues; this was a little over a week ago. He saw maybe 20 vehicles, at least 12 of which were heading North from Des Moines toward MN; the others were parked at a rest area.
Re: Vreeland's child prostitution charges.
No mystery here.
Vreeland's brother had gone on the record saying that Delmart Vreeland is a pedophile. He is always in the company of young teenage boys, as evidenced in a few articles about Vreeland, including one by Sander Hicks. Vreeland refers to many of them as his "sons," despite the fact that he has no children. And despite the fact that they seem to always be different people.
So we know that Vreeland has a thing for young boys. We also know he is a user of hard drugs with no discernable legal income. It's not too difficult to reach a conclusion based on these well known facts.
But if you really want to know about the child prostitution charges, the information is out there. The charges, laid in Colorado, are a matter of public record.
A few more minor correction to the above posts:
Galati never went on the record to say that Vreeland had been kidnapped. He did suggest to several journalists that Vreeland was dead. But that was not on the record either. And it's a good thing as he was evidently incorrect. Galati also never went on the record to link Vreeland to dropping his terrorism related cases. The fact is that he had recieved death threats relating to a different case entirely. The Khadr case, which is a well known case here in Canada. Since this has been reported very well by the mainstream media I find your suggestions to the contrary to be baffling.
Also, Galati is a tax lawyer, not an expert on constitutional law as people like Mike Ruppert suggest. He also seems to have a flair for mellodrama, as evidenced from some of his wacky accusations over the years. But you can decide on that for yourself, I guess.
So did Vreeland say WHEN these dirty bombs would be detonated by any chance? Because I wouldnt be holding my breath if I were you.
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