Money doesn't talk
Money doesn't talk, it swears - Bob Dylan
You want some 9/11 truth? You won't find it in the accretions of increasingly absurd conjecture and the tail-chasing diversions of no evidentiary value. The hard-ass, 9/11 truth has the colour of money and the sweet stink of opium, and plenty of both.
How's this for a headline, and from Institutional Investor, even:
Mystery N.Y. Bank Allegedly Funnels $3B In Funds To Terrorists
A bank identified only as being one of the largest and most prominent in New York has been caught allegedly funneling an estimated $3 billion in profits from drug deals and other illegal activities to Mideast terrorists, The New York Post reports. Manhattan District Attorney Robert Morgenthau, the paper says, plugged the profits pipeline as part of an ongoing investigation of suspected funds flowing through local banks.
In the most recent scheme, according to The Post, the money originating from the so-called "tri-border region" of Argentina, Brazil and Paraguay, was transferred to an account at the New York bank through a money-transfer company in Uruguay and then on to accounts in the Mideast, where they were distributed over the past two years to the likes of Al-Qaeda, Hamas and Hezbollah. "I can't go out and arrest Osama bin Laden," the 84-year-old Morgenthau told The Post. "But I can try to cut off his money."
"Tri-border region" sound familiar? "Chiggerbit" notes on the RI board that it's a territory in which Sun Myung Moon has recently planted his Unification flag, acquiring the land atop the Guarani aquafer. Moon's 600,000 hectares also happens to be "an enormously strategic point in both the narcotics and arms trades," according to Paraguay's former drug czar, who adds that "the available intelligence clearly shows that the Moon sect is involved in both these enterprises." And "Starroute" adds that Khalil bin Laden, Osama's brother, has business connections in the nearby Brazilian province of Minas Gerais, "an alleged center for training terrorists."
The Post today discloses the identity of the "mystery bank." And guess who:
The Manhattan DA is pursuing a settlement with the Bank of America in a major money-laundering probe of more than $3 billion that flowed from Latin America through one of the bank's accounts to Mideast fanatics, sources said yesterday.
Sources familiar with the case - reported in yesterday's Post - revealed that DA Robert Morgenthau is close to reaching a settlement with the nation's second largest bank. The bank is not being accused of complicity with money-launderers or terrorists, but is facing possible penalties for dealing with an unlicensed money transmitter from Uruguay, sources said.
The bank will be permitted to settle, like Jonathan Bush's Riggs Bank, because to find such institutions complicit would mean the Apocalypse of All Safe Assumptions. It's why September 11th's insider trading scandal, once reported by Bloomberg as "the worst case ever," was made to dry up and blow away, and the data recovery project of "dirty doomsday dealings" made on World Trade Center computers disappeared into the belly of the beast it was intended to investigate.
The money's swearing, and it's swearing at us. Over the fractious din of arguments for missile strikes, demolition and holograms, can you hear it?
posted by Jeff at 11:31 AM
121 Comments:
Yeah Jeff!
Here is the ultimate confirmation that everything the Wayne Madsen types have been saying for the past 5 years is not just imagination and conjecture. The most salient context to put this in is that there is no benevolence inhering in these institutions that wage brutal economic warfare against national economies. The illusions ought to be melting pretty fast these days.
Alex Jones just interviewed a decorated airman who agrees with Michael Rupert's allegation of 'Cheney as Maestro.' The most interesting part of the article, however, lies in the airman's bio: He resigned as a Star Wars consultant because it was obvious that it was indeed a purely offensive program intended to facilitate a nuclear exchange with the USSR. Given what we know about the Space Hawks in office, this should be more than a little disquieting. But we knew that.
Jeff, you're lumping demolition in with holograms now?
Jeff, you're lumping demolition in with holograms now?
Holograms would be an example of what I called in the first paragraph "increasingly absurd conjecture," and demolition a "tail-chasing diversion."
What I mean here by diversion is what I meant a year ago when I quoted JFK assassination researcher Vincent Salandria:
I'm afraid we were misled. All the critics, myself included, were misled very early. I see that now. We spent too much time and effort microanalyzing the details of the assassination when all the time it was obvious, it was blatantly obvious that it was a conspiracy.
Once we get to the bottom of who was perpetrating the massive insider trading scandal on 9/11, it will become crystal clear who is pulling the strings and pushing the buttons behind the velvet curtain....
....but will we tear away from our warm blankets (i.e., lattes, "porn.com" and "Deal or No Deal") long enough to revolt?!
I mean, that's what we're talking about isn't it? At some point in history will any action be taken, or will we remain in the "blogosphere", impotent, gazing at our navels....
....and please don't tell me that the "Nazi's" are behind this insider trading!.....
First off, many thanks to Jeff for your continuing efforts. I have to admit that lately I've become wary of relying so much on 'microanalyzing the details', though it's hard not to get caught up in all the little and not-so-little inconsistancies when you try to stuff them all into the official narrative. I can't say that I'm terribly encouraged by the recent entry of Charlie Sheen into the melee, either. I get the distinct impression that he (and by association the rest of us tin-foilers) is being set up for a fall.
Anyway, off the stated topic, but not with today's date, I would recommend that readers revisit your posting 'Early morning, April 4 (MLK)'. When people ask themselves 'What can I do to stick it to the man?', it's instructive to remember what kind of people 'The Man' feels threatened enough by to risk making martyrs of them.
"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. Instead of diminishing evil, it multiplies it. Through violence you may murder the liar, but you cannot murder the lie, nor establish the truth."
-Martin Luther King, JR-
Peace,
Luposapien.
Great post, Jeff, as is the earlier one you link to.
The insider-trading "investigation" was buried without military honors when the trail ended at "American institutional investors" who were allegedly above suspicion.
R.I.P.
Also sadly deceased is CONVAR's investigation of the data on the WTC hard drives. CNN reported, on Dec. 20, 2001:
"When Convar discovers encryption keys on a drive, indicating a financial record, it saves the information and hands it over to its U.S. clients, who are in turn cooperating with the FBI, he said. [Which FBI? Colleen Rowley or Dave Frasca? No prizes.]
The company has completed processing 39 drives; another 42 have arrived, and a further 20 drives are expected in early January, Wagner said.
Convar's German facility, in the town of Pirmasens near the NATO air base Ramstein, is one of the few civilian data recovery centers to be certified for military purposes as a "high security zone," the company said.
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http://archives.cnn.com/2001/TECH/industry/12/20/wtc.harddrives.idg/
Then there's the bizarre conduct of the nation's Leaders on That Fateful Day, and the entirely-unmentionable wargames.
The corporate media have successfully killed and buried all discussion of these serious issues for the last four-and-a-half years. Now, suddenly, Charlie Sheen gets three nights on CNN to speculate to his heart's content about controlled demolition. Has CNN suddenly joined the revolution? Or are some alarm bells ringing yet?
A serious 9/11 Truth movement would be concentrating on the serious issues and trying to get this stuff properly publicised and investigated instead of spending an eternity poring over sexy photos of pyroclastic clouds.
As Ludwig Mies van der Rohe once stated "God Is In The Details".
Perhaps we should look more closely at Neil Bush, brother of George W., and Boris Berezovsky...
I'm all ready "revolted". It turns out the chosen ones already know the score and have a plan to deal with the rest. in. peace.
The spiral is as taut as any straight line. The forces are natural with the advantage that any point in the spiral can see any other point past and present up or down which no point can do in a straight line. The implication here is 4D vs. 2D. Radiating and rotating through 360 space through the centre to the null point when all will be revealed. Are we there yet?
A note on geography from the original post:
"Osama's brother, has business connections in the nearby Brazilian province of Minas Gerais, 'an alleged center for training terrorists.'"
This is like saying El Paso, Texas is nearby Los Angeles. Brazil is huge and so are distances within it.
Sorry for picking. I didn't see the connection that clearly.
Closed my Bank of America account today. Should've done it long ago.I already knew that BAM and Citicorp are in cahoots with Uncle Sam's Gestapo.
I went into a local bank to inquire see about opening an account there. On the manager's desk was a sign saying that a bunch of info was needed from me to comply with Patriot Act guidelines to prevent financing terrorism.
I laughed at the irony and told the bank manager what BAM was up to. I took some lit and left to consider my options in a criminal economy.
It ocurred to me that under the Patriot Act, it is now illegal to pay Federal Income taxes since that would be sending money to a terrorist organization.
Hmm...
Nice to have a symbolic way of voting against US-sponsored terrorism here in Anytown, USA.
In previous comments, Jeff asked whether the Alex Jones interviewee (Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, USAF)should properly be called a "former Star Wars head". Remember, "Star Wars" started long before Reagan's 1983 speech in Orlando. AW & ST ran articles on the Air Force shooting down guided missiles with lasers (mounted on KC-135s) in 1973. The Navy had an active Sealight programme for carrier defense. A number of advanced projects on neutral and charged-particle weapons were brought to testing before Reagan made it public. So Robert Bowman, PhD in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering from Caltech, probably was the "former head of Star Wars." Pretty damning indictment, given the source.
Here is some older (2004) information on the same story.
A quick note about the value of "sexy photos" and videos from the Pentagon and WTC collapses: it is much, much easier to introduce someone to the 9/11 Truth movement with visible evidence as opposed to discussions about insider trading and the nefarious history of the Bush/Cheney team.
For better or worse, people believe their eyes. So many immediately reject anything other than "Osama did it! They hate freedom!" that it's difficult to discuss the more worhtwhile avenues. They are quick to claim Bush-bashing at even the first hint of inside-job talk. They are far more easily swayed to believe the official story is BS when they see a 757 super-imposed over the small Pentagon damage, or news reports and NYFD eye-witnesses describing multiple explosions before the collapse of the towers.
Ultimately, insider trading, wargames, etc. will carry more weight and hopefully expose the true conspirators.... but it doesn't hurt to get a few more people onboard, right?
"Over the fractious din of arguments for missile strikes, demolition and holograms, can you hear it?"
Oh give us a break, Jeff. Look back over your blog. You pick a fight with absurd insinuations. If you have an argument against these as really absurd, I think you would have said it long ago. Though you don't, and that's telling.
Frankly, you never have given evidence for your disbelief of these things, and it has all been hot air.
This is like Bush attacking others and then scurrying away and blaming others for being "fractious" by successfully defending themselves against another's gross error of strategic judgement.
Perhaps you will look into your heart and see the fractiousness centered on you.
I would agree with others above who basically find your mental block on this issue very puzzling and rather incoherent. "what gives with you?" about this highhanded and cavalier treatment on this your blog source for 99% very sound groundings in information, except when you throw out that method for pure "emotional neocon style" tripe when discussing the issues in your quote above?
These issues are rather basic and very clear flaws in the official story.
This is the last place where I thought I would see an "ignorance is bliss" kind of defense.
speaking of banking and vast amounts of money, has anybody read this (or listened to the interview):
http://arcticbeacon.com/3-Apr-2006.html (Greg Syzmanski):
"If Americans ever want to reclaim their Republic, understanding the importance of the story behind jailed Ambassador Leo Wanta is a good starting point. In fact, the Wanta case may prove to be the "story of the century" even though it is cloaked in a complicated web of financial accounting, mystery and intrigue dating back to the end of the Cold War.
For starters, as unbelievable as it sounds, Wanta is the legal trustee according to a 2003 federal court ruling of more than 27.5 trillion dollars in repatriation assets held in overseas accounts and under protection for the American people..."
Apparently the Bush/Clinton brigade have managed to extort $650 billion of the above so far, and want their hands on the rest of it.
"If you have an argument against these as really absurd, I think you would have said it long ago."
If I understand you correctly, I did say so long ago, and have since. For instance Sept 2004, The Flying Wedge, and May 2005, The Guns of 9/11 and Let Me Put It This Way.
Jeff I live on the other side of this country and wonder why so much of the land we call Canada is left pristine empty. Does this have something to do with your post on money? I think it has something to do with creating a shortage of something when we can see very clearly that we aren't short of it. Once the blinders go on and we accept that this land has to be "conserved" we loose the rights given to squirrels, bats, the homeless, and the disposessed. I wonder why we cling to a system that is so obviously an illusion.
The Big Picture and the tiny details are both important, as is the middle path that unifies them and lets them interpenetrate.
We're still trying to learn how to talk about this unspeakable horror in a way that doesn't bring us too close to madness.
This story is not over, nor are all the ways we need to perceive it or show it, yet born. It's hard trying to figure out how best to do this. Be patient, and kind to yourselves.
God DAMN this is the best site on the internet!!!!! Keep it up, Jeff...many people truly appreciate your work.
I should refine my comment above. My issue is not with absurdity but with the distractions of unresolvable pissing matches that bring us no closer to justice. Following the money and the drugs have already uncovered smoking guns, though they're largely neglected for the Rorschach of the smoking towers.
FYI, that Leo Wanta case referred to above is bogus. I'm an attorney and did a search--- there was no federal decision awarding this guy anything. This was debunked some time ago.
You were lagging a bit a few months ago...but hell yeah this is one of your most hard-hitting and apropos pieces yet, Jeff. Rock on.
Ericswan....
You are right. Canada is one big wasteland.... one big parking lot just waiting for the "right" kind of development. And Canadians are the "parking lot attendants".
No...wait.... they're "parking lot attendants" who think they're Europeans, but look like beavers.
As the "self-righteous" Euro-beavers are being lulled into complacency with mega-doses of ELF waves, midnight draws nearer and nearer.
I thought the "staged" press conference in Cancun with head-beaver Harper was hilarious. What a bitch.
Did anyone notice how there was barely anyone in the audience?
Now if we could only cut off the funding of the larger terrorist organizations in Langley and The Beltway who traffic in wholesale slaughter.
Thanks Jeff
America is nominally a republic and free society, but in reality an empire and oligarchy, vaguely aware of its own oppression, within and without. I have used the term "national security state" to describe its structures of power. It is a convenient way to express the military and intelligence communities, as well as the worlds that feed upon them, such as defense contractors and other underground, nebulous entities. Its fundamental traits are secrecy, wealth, independence, power, and duplicity.
This month's _World Affairs, A Journal of International Issues_ contains a great precis on Star Wars --it's motivations and what the actual spending funded vs. the smoke-screen boondoggle--and several other topics of note in this forum, including --get this-- free energy and UFO's. This in a journal that boasts major multinational bank and other such concerns as advertisers. Fascinating. Printed in India. I started reading it when they ran the "Black Budget of the USA" linking all of that together. They've been straight up reporting on 911 this whole time as well. Recommend it, but open to anyone's cogent critique or deconstruction of its politics. Thanks.
ThePistol44 said...
A quick note about the value of "sexy photos" and videos from the Pentagon and WTC collapses: it is much, much easier to introduce someone to the 9/11 Truth movement with visible evidence as opposed to discussions about insider trading and the nefarious history of the Bush/Cheney team.
For better or worse, people believe their eyes.
Yes and the octopus through several of their arms have spent so much money on uncovering how we "tick" and "what buttons to push." They know and it is accepted science that people believe what they see. That is precisely why the false meme of no-Boeing at the Pentagon has the "legs" that it does. That is the why In Plane Site and other flash propaganda pieces are being used to sell that false meme. TPTB(The Powers that Be) knew that there would be Internet head scratching about 9-11, there has even been "trial-run ops" to get the lay of the land (TWA 800). The tactics learned and developed there were then planned for and used in response to 9-11 deconstruction.
Three basic false memes were developed to hang the "hats of contention" upon; 1. No Plane at Pentagon (Effect: To divide researchers and to make 9-11 conspiracy research look "nuts" to folks within the highly charged and very "influential" DC Beltway crowd.) 2. No Planes in NY (Effect: To upset folks in NY on 911 conspiracy research{that is where a big crime occurred-jurisdiction for justice} and thoroughly disgust any survivors' family members from adding their gravitas to uncovering truths) 3. The "Jews" did it. (Effect: A blanket tainting that repells many without any perusal of the issue and allows the "official" story to label its critics as anti-semetic bigots with and agenda not facts and reasoned argument, etc.)
Then these memes help to cover up obvious conspiratorial facts leading to countles hours of blather, emotion, etc. Personally, I am sure that that there was demolition, remote controll technology and patsies involved in the op. And as with any large op, those with their noses in the right place or someone that directs them there, uses the op for their own personal purpose some maybe contrary to the ops planner. For with any action there is always possiblity. No chessmaster wins everytime. There are many editions of SunTzu, etc.
And yes has Jeff said if you follow the money follow the drugs there are smoking guns aplenty. And if you read history you even find that some of the guns have been discovered before, covered-up and then erupt again, go away again, etc.
Now is the timw for all good men and women to come to the aid of their country.
Peace,
Kris Millegan
http://infowars.com/articles/sept11/venezuela_launch_international_911_investigation.htm
Well, now, at least this guy is close enough to lend a hand.
Please excuse the off topic break-in but this is breaking news of the most ironic kind. First a NASA official now this sick bastard, Pappy Bush better hide!
HOMELAND OFFICIAL ARRESTED IN ONLINE SEX STING
Agency's deputy press secretary held for soliciting for a child on Internet
The Associated Press
Updated: 11:06 p.m. ET April 4, 2006
MIAMI - The deputy press secretary for the U.S. Department of Homeland Security was arrested Tuesday for using the Internet to seduce what he thought was a teenage girl, authorities said.
Brian J. Doyle, 55, was arrested at his residence in Maryland on charges of use of a computer to seduce a child and transmission of harmful material to a minor. The charges were issued out of Polk County, Fla.
Doyle, of Silver Spring, Md., had a sexually explicit conversation with what he believed was a 14-year-old girl whose profile he saw on the Internet on March 14, the Polk County Sheriff’s Office said in a statement.
The girl was an undercover Polk County Sheriff’s Computer Crimes detective, the sheriff’s office said.
Doyle sent the girl pornographic movie clips and had sexually explicit conversations via the Internet, the statement said.
Used government cell phone
During other online conversations, Doyle revealed his name, that he worked for the Homeland Security Department and offered his office and government issued cell phone numbers, the sheriff’s office said.
Doyle also sent photos of himself to the girl, but authorities said they were not sexually explicit.
On several occasions, Doyle instructed her to perform a sexual act while thinking of him and described explicit activities he wanted to have with her, investigators said.
Doyle later had a telephone conversation with an undercover deputy posing as the teenager and encouraged her to purchase a web camera to send graphic images of herself to him, the sheriff’s office said.
He was booked into Maryland’s Montgomery County jail where he was waiting to be extradited to Florida, the sheriff’s office said.
There was no immediate response to messages left on Doyle’s government-issued cell phone and his e-mail, and he could not be reached by phone at the jail for comment.
Agency ‘will cooperate fully’
Homeland Security press secretary Russ Knocke in Washington said he could not comment on the details of the investigation. “We take these allegations very seriously, and we will cooperate fully with the ongoing investigation,” Knocke said.
Doyle, who is the fourth-ranking official in the department’s public affairs office, was expected to be placed on administrative leave Wednesday morning.
“We will go after child predators, no matter where they live, to protect our innocent children,” said Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd, in a statement from his office.
“This investigation shows that the long arm of the law can reach anyone, anywhere, anytime, who tries to harm our youth,” Judd said. “There is no question that Doyle believed that he was having these disgusting, obscene discussions, online and on the phone, with a young girl. His conduct is vile and inexcusable.”
This breaking story will be updated.
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© 2006 MSNBC.com
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Jeff's message about not losing the forest for the trees is a welcome one. Ive tried my damndest to see those "pods" the videos talk about. Maybe there, probably not there. Meanwhile, the fact that the head of Pakistani intelligence (which is basically interchangeable with the CIA) arranged the $100,000 wire transfer to fund the 9/11 hijackers continues to be ignored by all major media outlets. While bloggers pore over photos of the Pentagon lawn looking for aircraft serial numbers, definitive questions about the 9/11 wargames remain unasked. And so it goes. I cringe whenever some annointed media skeptic like Gerald Posner is allowed to blithely dismiss the Badgeman photograph as "shadows and trees", while the growing avalanche of documents proving Oswald was an agent/informant for multiple intelligence agencies continues to be ignored. But this is yet another example of drowning in "the details" of "physical evidence". LBJ destroyed the presidential limousine, the Stemmons Freeway sign, and other items that could have proved conspiracy. Photographs were confiscated by the FBI. The physical evidence for the JFK murder (probably including the autopsy) was compromised from the get-go. The only way to establish conspiracy as historical fact is to establish the big picture. Ive been reading lately the book Ultimate Sacrifice, which posits the theory that Mafia kingpins penetrated a supersecret plan for a Coup against Castro in Cuba. They learned of the plan, compromised it, and used the secrecy around the plan to turn it against JFK and murder him. The CIA and other agencies had to go along with the lone nut theory to prevent disclosure of the plan and potentially trigger war with the soviets. Among the book's disclosures are the revelations of two prior assasination attempts on JFK, in Tampa and Chicago, in the weeks prior to Dallas. The book seems to build a powerful case, not getting bogged down in details, but keeping an eye on the CIA-Mafia plots against Castro as the key to unlocking the assasination. By the way, Jeff, the book states that after David Atlee Phillips' death, an unpublished manuscript was discovered. Its character, a CIA station chief, says that they put Oswald on a mission to kill Castro but for some unknown reason he ended up killing Kennedy. seem to remember you did a post about Phillips, not sure you knew about the manuscript.
You said, paraphrasing Dylan, " The money's swearing, and it's swearing at us."
In my opinion it's more like the money's laughing & laughing at us.
Or, at least, the people with the money.
I've been mulling this post over all day & about the only thing I'm sure of anymore is that I wish I'd have had my kids at 23, way back in 1985, instead of now at 43.That way they'd be old enough to at least make a running attempt at dealing with this relentless bullshit.
These last 5 years have made the Cold War look positively sane in comparison.
I'm actually becoming nostalgic for Reagan & I hated Reagan.
the one thing I can say for Reagan is that at least the old psycho had the decency to keep his psycho-ness partially concealed behind a black budget curtain.
& when caught, neck deep in Iran-Contra, he at least had the courtesy to look embarassed.
Ah the good old days.
There's a monumental accomplishment for Mr. Bush & his administration. They've actually been able to make fake contrition look comforting.
How the fuck did we get here?
With this culture whose main form of entertainment is purposely designed to make us feel incomplete & discontented.
They lie to us constantly through advertising & i think those little lies are what vaccinate us against feeling the huge lies they tell us.
It's for our own good though, isn't it?
Being treated like toddlers not fit to sit at the grown-up table.
We've grown accustomed to it, I suppose.
The blissful ignorance, the umbilical cathode illusion that the teleprompter puppet on the screen really does know more than we do.
The expert who graciously 'analyzes' that days news for us.
Confusing & frightening occurences that our journeyings through public school have left us ill-prepared to assimilate.
But that's what they wanted from the beginning, isn't it?
As this first mission statement of Rockefeller's General Education Board states way back in 1906:
"In our dreams...people yield themselves with perfect docility to our molding hands. The present educational conventions [intellectual and character education] fade from our minds, and unhampered by tradition we work our own good will upon a grateful and responsive folk. We shall not try to make these people or any of their children into philosophers or men of learning or men of science. We have not to raise up from among them authors, educators, poets or men of letters. We shall not search for embryo great artists, painters, musicians, nor lawyers, doctors, preachers, politicians, statesmen, of whom we have ample supply. The task we set before ourselves is very simple...we will organize children...and teach them to do in a perfect way the things their fathers and mothers are doing in an imperfect way."
It's amazing how sociopaths can sound so damn rational isn't it?
Fuck em. Fuck em all to hell.
For the first time I really understand this passage from Neil Gaiman & Terry Pratchet's Good Omens:
"Firstly, that God moves in extremely mysterious, not to say circuitous ways. God does not play dice with the universe; He plays an ineffable game of His own devising, which might be compared, from the perspective of any of the other players, i.e., everybody, to being involved in an obscure and complex version of poker in a pitch dark room, with blank cards, for infinite stakes, with a Dealer who won't tell you the rules, and who smiles all the time."
Not my idea of a good time, no sir, not my idea of a good time at all.
Geography Bee Winner 1998 -
Thanks for the correction on Minas Gerais. I brought up the Khalil bin Laden item because the article Jeff quotes spoke of Mideast terrorists -- but I agree that the bin Laden link seems awfully thin.
On looking further, I find a from 2002 which speaks more generally about "representatives of Hezbollah and other groups sympathetic to Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda terrorist network."
And there's a more detailed article from the Center for Nonproliferation Studies which says:
For decades the region has been home to various smugglers, terrorists, drug traffickers, arms dealers, and organized crime figures from Russia, Japan, China, and Nigeria, among other countries. Terrorists from the Middle East have also been found in the area, particularly from Lebanon and Syria. Former FBI director Louis Freeh described the area as a “free zone for significant criminal activity, including people who are organized to commit acts of terrorism.”
But that same article also seems to rely heavily on may's and could's when trying to fit al-Qaeda into the mix.
Actually, given the quote above, I'd be far more ready to put my money on a coalition of the Russian Mafia, the Yakuza, the Triads, and the Nigerian email scammers than on al-Qaeda. Oh, and Reverend Moon, of course. :-)
All around the blogosphere agendas are formulated, identities are assumed, books are contemplated, eldritch & arcane theories are postulated while the horror, undeterred by all the vigorous typing, chugs merrily along.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060404/us_nm/crime_sextourism_dc
In a sleazy hotel room, "Brittany," then aged 16 and drugged into oblivion, waited for the men to arrive. Her pimps sent as many as 17 clients an evening through the door.
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A "john" could even pre-book the pretty young blonde for $1,000 a night, sometimes flying in and then flying out from a nearby airport.
None of this happened in Bangkok or Costa Rica, places that have become synonymous with sex tourism and underage sex.
It took place in Atlanta, the buckle of the U.S. Bible Belt, where the world's busiest passenger airport provides a cheaper, more convenient and safer underage sex destination for men seeking girls as young as 10.
"Men fly in, are met by pimps, have sex with a 14-year-old for lunch, and get home in time for dinner with the family," said Sanford Jones, the chief juvenile judge of Fulton County, Georgia.
A new federal law passed in 2003 ensures that American sex tourists landing on foreign soil and hiring prostitutes under the age of 18 can get 30 years in prison.
But in Georgia, punishment for pimping or soliciting sex with a girl under 18 is only five to 20 years, according to Deborah Espy, the Deputy District Attorney of Fulton County.
"Men are coming to Atlanta to have sex with a child," said LaKendra Baker, project manager for the Center to End Adolescent Sexual Exploitation (CEASE).
Half of the street-level prostitutes in Atlanta are believed to be under 18, according to experts.
Others are booked through Internet sex sites and from social sites like Black Planet, where girls innocently post profiles, said Baker.
Just in March, police arrested a Canadian man meeting a 14-year-old girl he found through the Internet, said Cathey Steinberg, executive director of the Juvenile Justice Fund, which funds treatment for abused girls and prevention.
Another man drove from North Georgia, with a bag containing a teddy bear, a love note and condoms, snorting methamphetamine on the way.
He expected a 13-year-old girl, but instead found Heather Lackey, a corporal with the Peachtree City Police Department.
Basically, the secret societies have been gathering up and consolidating their control of the drug trade. Using the US military to do it.
Vietnam op took the Golden Triangle. Op started and ran for amny years by Lansdale, later head of Op Mongoose the overarching op on the Castro hit. (the Kennedy op, imho, goes beyond the mafia did it and everybody had to cover tracks because of ...)
Looking at the traditional international stats on opium production,one finds that in the 1930s Iran began to be the no 2 producer behind the giant China surpassing India's once thriving export business due to a Chinese embargo.
The Bosinian "thing" solidified the control of that "source." Ya know, kind of like DeBeers and diamonds.
"The cultivation of opium depends on three basic or controlling factors, viz: the economic system, weather conditions during the opium harvest and ... government regulations."
Just like there are places where wine grapes grow well, so the opium poppy. There have grown up traditional areas of cultivation. And it is I am 'sure" a coincidence that many of our overt and covert military/intel operations coincide with major US financial interests. Many times that interest seems to be foremost drugs and oil. Both substances witha long history with Skull & Bones.
With 9-11, "we" went to Afghanistan reviving an opium production facilty that had "lost" or maybe diverted elswhere its opium production. Quie sabe?
Is the sabre rattling about nukes a ploy to go wrest away the huge Iranian opium production? I am sure the op can be sold with many tugs, one being that it takes a "terrorist" income stream away. That seems to a rationale that is trotted out for the quasi-official drug smuggling. The best way to deal with the problem is to "take it over." Then sometimes a carrot is added .. "Then 'we' will shut it down ...
and we all live happily ever after.
Enough already, tis late, sorry for spelling, but I am not much of a three finger and one thumb typist
Great use of one of my favorite Bob Dylan lines, from the same song containing the line "sometimes even the President of the United States must have to stand naked," which I first heard at concert in the midst of the Nixon Watergate scandal in 1973.
Morgantheu was also one of the few prosecutors to pursue BCCI. Robert Swann Mueller III (now FBI chief) was then head of the DOJ criminal division (Richard Thornbergh, the AG) and he declined to investigate and obstructed everyone else who tried to prosecute that he could. The Bank of America had deep ties to BCCI, too.
Red Herring
Jeff's impatience with our losing the forest from the trees on 911 truth by discussing pods, missiles, holograms (why do you lump holograms into this?), and demolition, etc., when we have the obviously better issue of some investors profiting from advance knowledge of 911, is understandable.
After all and to cite an example, he would never write an entire article dwelling on totally irrelevant details like proving with deductive reasoning surprising aspects of Cheney's "size," and so on, you get the point.
I don't claim such crazy details have no conceivable relevance to any other topic, but I do claim there is nothing wrong with applying at least the same minimum level of scrutiny used to determine how big Cheney's penis is, to whether pods, missiles, and demolition explosives were used on 911.
We all know that on such answers rests proof of whether the true enemy of the USA is domestic or foreign, and whether the U.S. may have made an error in launching an entire war in the Middle East against the wrong one, or not. Surely the payoff for such analysis is not in the least trivial.
And don't we, if we suspect the government was complicit in 911, need to review, discuss, and lay out the details of all that quite extensively among ourselves first, to understand the case against the government and so we could better make it to the rest of the people?
I am also struck that Jeff urges us to pursue financial leads that while obviously being important, were by definition the work of the guilty parties, who hapen to control the coverup too, and access to that information depends on cooperation from them, the government.
Jeff recommends just this while simultaneously discouraging us from examining the clues of physical photographic evidence which do not depend on government cooperation because they're already in the public domain.
And if memory serves me right, the government has not cooperated with anyone about any evidence and we who follow these details closely know why. It has lied about evidence and even destroyed a lot of it (the WTC structural steel).
In fact the only times it has provided anything has been to either provide false evidence (like passports of Muslim terrorists that survived heat that exploded a jet airliner and later melted massive steel columns as well as a 110 story building collapse) or highly selected pieces of evidence that don't prove anything but on the surface might appear to (like Barbara Olsen's phone call to hubby Solicitor General Ted Olsen asking him "what should I tell the pilot to do?" right before hitting the Pentagon).
And while I'm on that topic, here's another little DETAIL about it. Seems the explosion in the Pentagon was so hot it not only melted the entire plane, luggage, contents, save a small piece of aluminum with American Airlines red on it, but it turned all the melted liquid aluminum into it's gaseous state (now that is hot), which explains why there is no trace of the 757 or it's luggage. Yet somehow they did find Barbara Olsen's DNA, and the DNA of all the other passengers but not the hijackers!
A good example of non-cooperation are the security videos confiscated in locations surrounding the Pentagon by the FBI. Where are they? What do they show? Can we see them? And why not? Oh yeah, they can't reveal them for "national security reasons." Surely on this basis financial records too will be found to contain national security aspects.
So those of you persuaded by Jeff who begin to pursue the financial evidence and leave behind the physical evidence, good luck you'll need it.
But if we're looking for evidence of pods, missiles, holograms, demolition (demolition especially), etc., even if some trails lead nowhere, like the holograms, no harm is done by those it occurs to to ask, and eventually junk gets flushed out.
And these efforts have led me and many others to lots of truth, like 100% certainty that the terrorists are domestic mafia and not Muslim hijackers.
Can't we all just get along?!?
Seriously, it's all good. It really is all good. It all needs to be explored. Everyone needs to write his 9/11 book!
Jeff's post is great and sniffer's argument is very sound. And even Chomsky saying none of this 9/11 matters given what these bastards are doing to our country - stuff that doesn't even require proof.
And where is Ruppert? Why doesn't Ruppert, Bowman, Griffin, Alex Jones, Wells, Millegan, McKinney - everyone who has a view, who has something to say start a friggin' newspaper called The 9/11 Daily and never stop exposing and writing and commenting until these bastards are in handcuffs, behind bars and getting due justice for treason.
I mean, that's what we're talking about isn't it? At some point in history will any action be taken, or will we remain in the "blogosphere", impotent, gazing at our navels....
2:37 PM
The common consciousness will remain ignorant as long as there is no intellectual framework that illustrates clearly, how it is that our guardians of societal norms can be so creepy. People can only deal with so much cognitive dissonance after all.
Exasperation at pods and pyroclastic cloud seems legitimate. It all appears to absorb a lot of energy and go nowhere.
Yet, there are good reasons for concentrating on ‘demolition’ or ‘plane’ issues: as pointed out above, the US public does not read, and requires visuals. They need to be tipped back in their chairs going “oooh.” If it works, fine.
Beyond strategy, though, note that the ‘evidence’ for ‘demolition’ is in part publically available - videos, pictures. Not so anything (much) dealing with the financial shenanigans.
Questioning how the buildings fell or exploded is safe - something happened, people saw it, what was the cause? Profs and engineers and grannies can get to it. Claiming the buildings were demolished with explosives points no fingers to culprits, explains very little, makes the mystery even a bit darker.
The trouble with 9/11 is not that people are concentrating on the ‘wrong’ or ‘right’, ‘ vital’, or ‘tangential’, etc. issues. It is that NO ONE has dared to do even the simplest investigation on issues that might lend themselves to an amateur approach (cheap, easy, etc.) Hopsicker stands out as an exception.
Conspiracy theorists, if I may, remain completely dependent on what the mainstream media give them. They accept the picture of reality offered (sometimes contesting its veracity or validity) but can’t be bothered to construct their own. In that, they are good little bunnies.
-Sheila
In Crossing the Rubicon, Ruppert was one of the first researchers to explicitly formulate a coherent theory of the big picture, i.e. how 9/11 was carried out and more importantly, why...these guys were mostly intelligence agents, maybe with a few true believers guided in, who were running what they thought were intelligence missions but ended up being "expendable assets" in a much bigger plan. Wargames provided cover and confusion to allow the standdown. Ruppert thinks the window of opportunity has passed, that the govt is too corrupt, has already gotten away with it, and again the JFK parallels somewhat bear him out. Decades from now, thousands (millions?) of JFK assasination files will finally be released, and will presumably confirm that, among other things, that Ruby was involved in the CIA-Mafia plots to kill Castro, that Oswald was tasked by the CIA with infiltrating Cuba, etc etc. One can view Ruppert's opinion as sage analysis or acute paranoia, but history does seem to be repeating itself.
Turn your VCR on. So I did. I personally haven't gone back to examine what was recorded. It's etched in my mind; redundant and not very revealing. How does liquid jet fuel get down an elevator shaft and then catch fire? How is it someone is standing in the gaping hole where a jet has been liquified?
Would it not be appropos to follow the dead bodies before and after 911? Read the passenger list. 40 navy personnel, 75 army; scientists; programmers; genetic engineers. Not a peep from the families on jets; only the victims' families in the WTC.
It is always helpful in a conspiracy to control both sides of the argument aka Republicans and Democrats. Who controls the 911 conspiracy fluidity this week?
http://s13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MIND/index.php?showtopic=7257&st=0
sounder said -
The common consciousness will remain ignorant as long as there is no intellectual framework that illustrates clearly, how it is that our guardians of societal norms can be so creepy. People can only deal with so much cognitive dissonance after all.
Excellent observation, but what are you recommending?
Communism provided just such an "intellectual framework" for a generation or so, but Communism had its own problems -- not least of them, the inability to explain why Communist leaders were no less creepy than capitalist or fascist leaders.
Would you care to suggest a framework that illuminates why "leadership" itself should be so prone to creepiness, completely distinct from the nominal politics behind it?
ok, i agree with you to a degree. obviously the financial aspect on 911 is probably good enough on its face to investigate, and when thats exposed, the rest falls in place. but the how isn't moot. the most logical 'how' is controlled demolition. and this is where i stand.
you look at the 911 commission report, it doesn't even mention the 47 support columns supporting each individual tower centrally. thats 114 huge freaking steel poles that some how just ceased to exist allowing the building to fall in mere SECONDS. you can see the sides of the towers explode out milliseconds before the structure above it freefalls to the ground.
it was controlled demolition.
so now lets focus on the finances.
911 is not the light at the end of the tunnel....
April 5, 2006
Unprecedented US Military Raid On Washington’s Capital Building Leads To Arrest Of Top Homeland Security Leader
By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Russian Subscribers
Russian Intelligence Analysts are reporting today that an Elite United States Military Unit staged an unprecedented raid upon that Nations Capital Building for the purpose of ransacking the offices of many of its Lawmakers for evidence pertaining to Counter-Coup forces, and their cooperation in attempting to bring down the Military Regime currently in power.
To the American people themselves they were only allowed by their propaganda media to believe that the evacuation of their Capital Building was due to a power blackout, and as we can read as reported by the Associated Press News Service in their article titled "Voltage drop causes Capitol evacuation", and which says:
"A utility company spokeswoman says a "momentary drop in voltage" caused power to automatically shut off at the U.S. Capitol today. Mary-Beth Hutchinson of the Potomac Electric Power Company says the drop was caused by "customer operations up the lines" away from the Capitol."
Most surprising about the propaganda reports relating to this blackout are to how many of the American people did not question them, especially with it being the fact that the US Capital Building, like all American Government Buildings of such importance, have their own power generating systems and have never relied upon outside sources for their power, and as in this case we can see evidenced by their own documents, and which state:
"The Capitol Power Plant is power plant which provides electricity, steam, and cooled water for the United States Capitol and other buildings in the Capitol Complex. The plant has been serving the Capitol since 1910 and is under the administration of the Architect of the Capitol (see 2 U.S.C. § 2162) The power plant was constructed under the terms of an act of Congress passed on 28 April 1904."
More curiously are that no other buildings provided power by the Capital Power Plant were similarly affected, and as we can read as reported by the Reuters News Service in their article titled "U.S. Capitol evacuated during power failure", and which says, "A Department of Homeland Security official said it was a "simple power outage" that only affected the Capitol not other buildings."
According to these reports the significance of the United States Homeland Security being the spokesmen for this ‘event’ lie in the fact that this Military Raid was sent to uncover the identity of the Top Homeland Security Official who was a part of the Counter-Coup forces and was cooperating with the US Lawmakers, and which by today’s reports from the United States appears to have now been captured, and as we can read as reported by the Associated Press News Service in their article titled "Homeland official arrested in online sex sting", and which says:
"The deputy press secretary for the U.S. Department of Homeland Security was arrested Tuesday for using the Internet to seduce what he thought was a teenage girl, authorities said. Brian J. Doyle, 55, was arrested at his residence in Maryland on charges of use of a computer to seduce a child and transmission of harmful material to a minor. The charges were issued out of Polk County, Fla."
The charges that one of the United States top Intelligence Officials, and according to his FSB biography is one of the leading technological experts in America and as evidenced by his groundbreaking report "The Use of Geographic Information Systems in the Military Decision Making Process", could ever be entrapped by such a ‘sex sting’ is laughable at its best, but at its worst brings to mind the worst atrocities committed against our own Dissidents against the Soviets, and who were likewise branded as sexual deviants and mentally ill.
But in an America today where ‘war’ has become peace and poverty for the masses has become a shining light of capitalism, anything is now possible, including their own Vice President being implicated in the 9/11 Terrorists Attacks upon that nation by one of their highest former Military Officials, and as we can read as reported by the American dissident website Disinformation.Com in their article titled "Former Star Wars Head Says Cheney Main 9/11 Suspect", and which says:
"The former head of the Star Wars missile defense program under Presidents Ford and Carter has gone public to say that the official version of 9/11 is a conspiracy theory and his main suspect for the architect of the attack is Vice President Dick Cheney.
'Dr. Robert M. Bowman, Lt. Col., USAF, ret. flew 101 combat missions in Vietnam. He is the recipient of the Eisenhower Medal, the George F. Kennan Peace Prize, the President’s Medal of Veterans for Peace, the Society of Military Engineers Gold Medal (twice), six Air Medals, and dozens of other awards and honors. His Ph.D. is in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering from Caltech. He chaired 8 major international conferences, and is one of the country’s foremost experts on National Security."
To the greater fear being generated in America today by the Military Rulers of that Nation we can see further evidenced in their Lawmakers fears of being seen to stand against the rise of Fascism sweeping their country, and as we can see evidenced by the WSWS News Service in their article titled "Democrats duck Senate hearing on Bush censure motion", and which says:
"The empty chairs at Friday’s Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on a motion to censure President Bush for repeatedly ordering illegal electronic surveillance by the National Security Agency aptly symbolize the attitude of both big-business parties to the defense of democratic rights. Ten of the panel’s 18 members absented themselves during testimony and debate over the censure resolution submitted by Wisconsin Democrat Russell Feingold, including five of the eight Democrats."
The arresting of the Dr. Doyle of the United States Homeland Security Directorate also quickly follows the sudden deaths of the late President Ronald Regan’s two most trusted advisors, Caspar W. Weinberger and Lyn Nofziger, and whom these reports state were firmly with the Counter-Coup forces and may have indeed been close to their most secretive leaders.
Most disturbing however about these reports are the warnings to expect more such high level arrests and murders in the coming weeks from the Military Rulers of the United States.
© April 5, 2006 EU and US all rights reserved
*buildings.
yes, i agree with many above. i grow incresingly suspicious the more its spoken of.
Alex Jones exposed !
Seems like Alex Jones finally is exposed:
http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Sheen.html
90 procent truth.. the final 10 you'd never get through him...
"Seems like Alex Jones finally is exposed..."
An example of the kind of reasoning found at the link:
Charlie Sheen's real name is Carlos Irwin Estevez. The Sheen family may be Crypto Jews... Charlie Sheen and his father are probably working with the criminal network.... Charlie was probably told by the criminal network to contact Alex Jones. This implies that Alex Jones is somehow connected with the crime network, which we suspected for a long time. But what is his connection?
Oh please, do tell.
I have posted a diary on DKos about this (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/4/5/114946/0102) with the South America and Paraguay angles.
The 12-30-2004 WSJ-Europe article posted by anonymous above is a help. WTF is going on with this money-aundering stuff? And what's the connection today with what went on before 2001, and in 2004?
Anyone else have anything or any links to add? I'd appreciate it.
To starroute:
You said:
"Would you care to suggest a framework that illuminates why "leadership" itself should be so prone to creepiness, completely distinct from the nominal politics behind it?"
While you're at it, you could also suggest a framework that illuminates why the mass of humanity feels compelled to continually play 'follow the leader.'
During Mr. Kerry's campaign, or the campaign of any halfwit politico for that matter, it was pointed out that 'Mr. Kerry is a leader.'
No qualifiers like 'sane' or 'prudent' or 'wise' added, just that he's a 'leader.'
Why does such vague hogwash successfully pass itself off as information without being vigorously attacked for its very vagueness.
After all, a very good case could be made that both Jim Jones & Chuck Manson were 'leaders.'
Not very sane, prudent or wise leaders, but leaders nonetheless.
But, then again, maybe none of it really matters. As Emma Goldman said a long effing time ago:
"If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal."
"Jeff said...
Oh please, do tell."
There sure are a lot of looney sites on the net. No doubt.
But I think the old maxim "where there's smoke there's fire" applies.
You must admit that it IS very odd (can we use the term high weirdness?) to have Charlie Sheen (wha?!) as the latest, and ONLY mass media, spokesperson regarding 911.....and on CNN!?!
I also applaud your efforts in bringing healthy 911 skepticism to the fore with this post, and your excellent previous ones regarding same.
In this regard, and in other posts, you've covered the possible NAZI connections with our present "ruling family", the occult, Rev. Moon, and even Christian Fundamentalists (I'm sure I've missed some here).
I see a connection forming, but it's not complete.
However, I've never observed you mentioning the possible Israeli connection in all of this. I don't mention Zionist or Jewish because my inutition tells me that there is a broader, more profound deception, perhaps at the state level.
Doesn't that deserve some "Rigorous Intuition".
The Israeli/Mossad connections to 9-11 is something that this blog tends to still consider taboo, despite it being well documented, even when there is "politically approved" type of evidence, a money trail as well. It's fascinating that people will take on David and Goliath style the whole U.S. and its military industrial complex, though very few ever touch the increasingly neocon aparthied state of Israel--with its much smaller total population of less than New York City..
The Mossad/Israeli Money Trail of 9-11
about Zionist complicity: Zim International vacates WTCs 15.Apr.2005
Another point that has slipped off the collective 'map' of 9-11 is that the shipper/trader organization, Zim International, broke its lease in the days before 9-11. It vacated rather quickly.
What is interesting about Zim International is that it is a corporation half owned by the Israeli Government.
Another point that is interesting is that despite the cover being "rent was high," why loose $40,000 right then and there for breaking your lease? And is money really all that important when you are half owned by a subsidy-based state like the State of Israel?
EIGHT OTHER ZIONIST/MOSSAD SIGNS OF THEIR IMPLEMENTATION OF STRIKES OF 9-11
just grouping the posts: more here:
1. ISRAELIS were 9-11 short sale stock buyers, betting on WTC terror strikes, story killed...
00:40 Apr-11 (19 comments)
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/04/315296.shtml
2. Israel Honors Lavon Affair Terrorists Who Attacked U.S. in '54, attempted to blame "Arabs"
21:20 Apr-03 (2 comments)
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/04/314824.shtml
3. 9-11 False Flag Operation
author: Vicky
Link to a video This is a must see video.
"9/11 is an _Expression of a Deep and Abiding Crisis in the Capitalist
World Order: 9/11 a CIA- MOSSAD False Flag Operation," by Ralph Schoenman
911 PEOPLE'S INQUIRY SF, 2004, www.globalresearch.ca 18 February 2005
The URL of this article is:
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/SCH502A.html CLICK TO VIEW VIDEO
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/02/312329.shtml
4. newswire article reposts united states 11.Feb.2005 18:39
9.11 investigation
DID ISRAEL ATTACK THE UNITED STATES WITH CHERTOFF'S AID?
author: Phillip Yardley
It is a little known, but historical fact that Israel has attacked the United States several times. Yet, we now know that our New Homeland Security Chief helped Israel to do so.
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/02/310503.shtml
5. newswire article coverage united states 11.Feb.2005 18:24
9.11 investigation
NEW HOMELAND SECURITY CHIEF IN ALLIANCE WITH 9-11 TERRORIST
author: Dr. David Duke
There is hard, factual evidence that Michael Chertoff, the new Homeland Security Chief, has ties with the financiers of 9-11.
As incredible as this news may seem, it has now been revealed that the nominee of President Bush for the new Secretary of Homeland Security, Michael Chertoff, has ties with a man suspected of financing the 911 attacks, Dr. Magdy Elamir. There is also convincing evidence that Chertoff as head of the Criminal Division of the U.S. Justice Department shielded this financier of 911 from prosecution in a terrorist case.
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/02/310501.shtml
6. newswire article reposts united states 11.Dec.2004 05:05
9.11 investigation
Silverstein admits PRE-RIGGING WTC7 to "pull it" on 9-11; & 1 BLOCK OVER,collects insur.?!
author: pink elephant in the room watch
Price of false cover story on 9-11 getting bigger and bigger...as it frays thinner and thinner.
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/12/305694.shtml
7. newswire article announcements global 10.Nov.2004 06:43
9.11 investigation | media criticism | police / legal
Censored Fox News series available: MOSSAD trails/helps[?] false flag terrorists of 9-11
author: repost
Fox News Series On Israeli Spying NOW AVAILABLE INSTEAD OF ORIGINALLY CENSORED AFTER 9-11-01.
To rewrite history, the 4 part series that aired in December 2001 was even removed from Fox News so-called archives!
However, the documentary is still available from another source, below:
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/11/302926.shtml
and
FASCINATING THAT FOX NEWS EVEN HAD THIS WEBSITE REMOVE CARL CAMERON'S STORY, EH?
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/spyring.htmll
Take the blue pill and the story ends or..........
The five Israelis made such a spectacle that everyone who saw them felt compelled to call the police. According to ABC's 20/20, when the van belonging to the cheering Israelis was stopped by the police, the first word out of the driver's (Sivan Kurzberg's) lying mouth were: "We are Israelis. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are your problem." The police and FBI field agents became really suspicious when they found box
cutters (the same items the hijacker supposedly used), $4700 cash stuffed in a sock, and foreign passports. Police also told the Bergen Record that bomb sniffing dogs were brought to the van and that they reacted as if they had smelled explosives.
From there, the story gets even more suspicious. The Israelis worked for a Weehawken moving company known as Urban Moving Systems. An American employee of Urban Moving Systems told the Bergen Record that a majority of his co- workers were Israelis and they were all joking about the attacks. The employee, who declined to give his name, said "I was in tears. These guys were joking and that bothered me."
A few days after the attacks, Urban Moving System's Israeli owner, Dominick Suter, dropped his business and fled the country. He was in such a hurry to flee America that some of Urban Moving System's customers were left with their furniture stuck in storage facilities. The five Israeli army veterans (Mossad) were held in custody for several months before being quietly released. Some of the movers had been kept in solitary confinement for 40 days.
5. Bergen Record (New Jersey). September 12, 2001. Paolo Lima. Google users enter: Bergen Lima five israelis
Kris-
Check out 'Strength of the Wolf,' by Douglas Valentine. It is a dry internal history of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, led by Harry Anslinger. It is established through multiple sources that Anslinger knowingly lied about China's opium production so that he wouldn't have to talk about the drug-running US puppet in Taiwan or the effectiveness of treatment over incarceration.
If you suppose that things might have been different before 1949, that is reasonable. Remember, however, that the British were importing opium into China. In the 30's, opium was the #1 crop of the Japanese occupation, a fact not merely coincidental to the Taiwanese power structure nor to the face of US covert operations emanating out China's OSS headquarters, KunMing, via the Flying Tigers. Check it out in "Gold Warriors," by the Seagraves.
Which brings us back to Landsdale, Secord, Arlington, and "rendition" flights. Wall Street is the central pillar of this entire edifice, and the dope addicts are the symptom not the cause. They multiply through every debt crisis, war, rape, and 'privitization.' The usefulness of talking about controlled demolitions is only real if it allows us to reconsider why trillions of dollars are flying through the ether and yet war, famine, and pestilence persist.
Five Men Detained As Suspected Conspirators
by Paulo Lima
The Bergen Record [New Jersey newspaper]
September 12, 2001
http://www.bergen.com/news/2bombvan200109125.htm
Eight hours after terrorists struck Manhattan's tallest skyscrapers, police in Bergen County detained five men who they said were found carrying maps linking them to the blasts. The five men, who were in a van stopped on Route 3 in East Rutherford around 4:30 p.m., were being questioned by police but had not been charged with any crime late Tuesday.
However, sources close to the investigation said they found other evidence linking the men to the bombing plot. "There are maps of the city in the car with certain places highlighted," the source said. "It looked like they're hooked in with this. It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park."
Sources also said that bomb-sniffing dogs reacted as if they had detected explosives. The FBI seized the van for further testing, authorities said. Sources said the van was stopped as it headed east on Route 3, between the Hackensack River bridge and the Sheraton hotel. As a precaution, police shut down Route 3 traffic in both directions after the stop and evacuated a small roadside motel near the Sheraton.
Sources close to the investigation said the men said they were Israeli tourists, but police had not been able to confirm their identities. Authorities would not release their names. East Rutherford officers stopped the van after the FBI's Newark Office broadcast an alert asking surrounding police departments to look for a white Chevrolet van, police said.
"We got an alert to be on the lookout for a white Chevrolet van with New Jersey registration and writing on the side," said Bergen County Police Chief John Schmidig. "Three individuals were seen celebrating in Liberty State Park after the impact. They said three people were jumping up and down."
East Rutherford officers summoned the county bomb squad, New Jersey state troopers, and FBI agents, who waited alongside the van as prosecutors from the U.S. Attorney's Office tried to obtain a warrant to search the van late Tuesday, Schmidig said. The FBI alert, known as a BOLO or "Be On Lookout," was sent out at 3:31 p.m. It read:
"Vehicle possibly related to New York terrorist attack. White, 2000 Chevrolet van with New Jersey registration with 'Urban Moving Systems' sign on back seen at Liberty State Park, Jersey City, NJ, at the time of first impact of jetliner into World Trade Center. "Three individuals with van were seen celebrating after initial impact and subsequent explosion. FBI Newark Field Office requests that, if the van is located, hold for prints and detain individuals."
State police Col. Barry W. Roberson confirmed the traffic stop at a late night news briefing at state police headquarters in Trenton. He would not elaborate, however. A business traveler staying at the Homestead Studio Hotel said she watched state troopers drive the suspects away in a procession of state police cars about 5 p.m. "First, they told us we could hang out in the lobby, but then they told us to leave," the traveler said.
At 10 p.m., the hotel guest said she could see at least two police officers searching through the van while a crowd of other officers kept their distance.
To those who are getting all excited about "Following the money trail", the last posts illustrate what why will certainly become the next phase of the psy-op. The trail of crumbs have been laid. Crumbs leading straight to the Jews. Same as it ever was.
re: "ISRAELIS were 9-11 short sale stock buyers, betting on WTC terror strikes, story killed" Where's the evidence of that in the link you provided? And linking to a David Duke article doesn't do you any favors.
Re: Douglas Valentine
Exercise caution
here's Valentine from this link http://www.ccmep.org/2003_articles/Iraq/121103_preemptive_manhunting_the_cia.htm
from this discussion about Seymour Hersh being a disinfo agent
http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm10.showMessage?topicID=3679.topic
"...everyone knows, the Israelis are the world's masters of assassination and terrorizing an entire people into submission. What Hersh doesn't mention is that the blanket of censorship that prevents the American media from criticizing Israel for its war crimes...
Compare America's conquest of Iraq with Israeli's conquest of Palestine, and you begin to understand....
In this respect both Hersh and The New Yorker serve as essential instruments of the Big Lie..."
now, I don't think Hersh is kosher either, but Valentine's final analysis here is flawed and dangerous.
Read "Clash of Fundametalisms," by Tariq Ali. Following British power flows, Israel was founded by Athiests. Let's consider how to value anti-Zionist sentiments on the net:
is the poster a blatent anti-Semite? OK, ignore them. is the poster incapable of seeing the countless peoples and causes manipulated by the Atlantic Alliance for cynical purposes? OK, not credible. Is the poster as concerned with Colombian peasants as Palestinian refugees, or would they prefer to scapegoat the Jews for the problems inherent to a geopolitics of empire?
The authenticity of critique is a function of our recognition of the Other. Zionism is polysemous; it means one thing for war-planners and something different to those who have been brutalized into accepting the transmutation of religion into nationalism. Neither reading is perfectly valid or invalid, but a rational discourse is not possible in times of mass impoverisation clouded by propaganda. Every time an urgent domestic issue implicates a Zionist somewhere in the process, just remember that the Fascists in Arlington are not being straightforward and they must be dealt with first. The Atlantic Alliance controls Israel, not the other way around.
FYI, that Leo Wanta case referred to above is bogus. I'm an attorney and did a search--- there was no federal decision awarding this guy anything. This was debunked some time ago.
anonymous 9:45, were you able to check the below:
"Miapollo Investments v. Morgan Stanley, 3:03CV571.
Two possible sour